There's a law where i live that they have to put the calories on menus now

Emberfire
Emberfire

there's a law where i live that they have to put the calories on menus now

i kinda like it

i didn't know that costco poutine had 1500 calories until a few days ago

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Emberfire
Fascinating blog, where can I subscribe?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Emberfire
maybe you should breaking the law

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Emberfire
i kinda like it
Translation=I need the government to force private businesses to inform me that I'm retarded.

It's people like you that just has to ruin life for everyone else.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@iluvmen
how are some extra numbers on a menu ruining your life?

hairygrape
hairygrape

@iluvmen
how does displaying calories ruin your life?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@lostmypassword

the numbers aren't. But wasting the government's and the company's time with the law costs everybody money and diverts attention away from more important issues.

Techpill
Techpill

@lostmypassword
@hairygrape
Im an extremely autistic lobbyist who likes eating my own shit in my spare time. Ignore me like my parents did

Methnerd
Methnerd

@iluvmen
tips aluminium foil fedora

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Deadlyinx
Yeah dude im sure this was such a costly process

Shut the fuck up you whiny bitch

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Flameblow
i have nothing to say but am compelled to post

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Sharpcharm

*anything* the government does is a costly process.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@iluvmen
What the fuck? Are you retarded?

Medical student here, obesity is a huge concern. Measures like this to help keep the general public informed about how much they're eating is a great step in slowing down the obesity epidemic. It's not going to be a huge change, but education and information are more powerful than any medication.

Also, I've been on this site for 10 years, I don't think I've seen a post as stupid as yours. And I started on /b/. Good job man.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TalkBomber
but education and information are more powerful than any medication.

Agreed. So why don't we educate people so they can estimate and count calories on their own. That way they can apply it to any and all food that they see, rather than being limited to a fast food menu.

It's the old "teach a man to fish...." parable.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Flameblow
No it isnt

The fact they did something potentially useful is in fact not a waste of money

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@VisualMaster
sounds a lot more expensive than putting numbers on a menu you fucking retard.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Emberfire

The only use I ever got out of it was when I was trying to gain weight. Even then I memorized the caloric content of the Egg White Delights (which were 2 for $3.33), so listing calories was a lost cause after all

JunkTop
JunkTop

@VisualMaster
they can estimate and count calories on their own
don't kid yourself, most people wouldn't be able to estimate calories right

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@BinaryMan

How so? Add it to the mandatory curriculum at school. Problem solved with one legal change.

Though even if it was more costly, at least the money would be well spent.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@TalkBomber

Measures like this to help keep the general public informed about how much they're eating is a great step in slowing down the obesity epidemic

Lmao stay in school. I work in medicine and I can tell you that the only numbers that people care about are the prices. The "calories" are arbitrary numbers that people ignore because they fucking hate math and won't add it up unless someone does it for them.

Stop acting like a cock-gobbling thundercunt and go back to studying your anatomy book, bitch

takes2long
takes2long

@BunnyJinx
Lol youre fucking retarded

whine about money
use this completely inefficient even costlier thing to solve the problem

Retard

idontknow
idontknow

@TalkBomber
Agreed, although to be fair, studies so far have found negligible effect; less than 10% of consumers alter ordering at all based on posted calories, and they don't alter by much.

What's interesting though is that the law seems to have a much larger effect on restaurants than on consumers, as restaurants become self-conscious about some high calorie offerings (e.g. fast food breakfast combos in the 1500-2000 calorie range). As a result, they reduce portions, recipes or offerings prior to the posting laws go into effect, and presumably that self-consciousness would last while the law lasts.

On the other hand, restaurants are also find sneaky ways around disclosing realistic calorie counts. For example, Subway posted calories prominently on their napkins years before New York's posting laws went into effect, but they made cheese and sauces "optional" on their sandwiches, listed 6" subs calorie counts instead of more commonly-ordered 12" subs, and used unrealistically small quantities of condiment portion sizes in their fine print, so a ham sandwich might be 1000 calories higher than what they list on the napkin, even if you don't buy extras like avacado, bacon, or extra cheese.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@BunnyJinx

Add it to the mandatory curriculum at school

Have you seen the filth that "graduates" from public high schools? I knew a kid who showed up 1/4th of the time and graduated with barely-adequate grades.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink, so stop trying to prove that we can solve the obesity problem with anything other than hazing and humiliation

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@takes2long
Lol youre fucking retarded
youre
retarded

Indeed.

I'll explain so perhaps you might understand. Placing calories on fast food signs doesn't "Solve" anything. It only provides a little information for one specific thing. OTOH teaching people to estimate this on their own now means they can apply that information to each and every meal they eat. All of them. Not just fast food. It's a far broader, more complete, solution. That justifies its higher cost.

Again, it's the "teach a man to fish....." parable.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@VisualMaster
estimate calories on their own
How the fuck do you expect anyone to ascertain the ratios of fiber, sugar, protein, and fat in any food they don't make themselves?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@kizzmybutt
so stop trying to prove that we can solve the obesity problem

I don't think it can ever be solved.

But if we're going to make an attempt at it, we should make the best attempt possible.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Wish I had this law.
Go to restaurant
order food
No idea how many calories I just consumed
Either don't eat the rest of the day or eat risking gaining calories

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@VisualMaster
It would involve a lot more time and effort for Joe Six Pack to estimate what exactly is in his McChicken than for McDonald's to post the information.

At home, this is incredibly valuable and I agree with you. But I'm not going to go up to the fry cook and about how lean the burger is. This is a much better idea.

@Harmless_Venom
Did I strike a nerve?

This is a step in the right direction as a whole. We need to educate the general populace if we want to ensure better health outcomes. From understanding how to manage diabetes to counting calories properly, education is always key.

I'm not going to say that this is the end all be all. But knowing your calorie intake is essential to managing your weight and therefore avoiding the health complications that accompany excess body habitus. This is a start.

I don't know what you do in medicine, but I pray that you have limited patient interaction. You sound like a right cunt and I'm betting that you're some faggot MA or EMT who thinks he knows everything while the scribes in the ED have surpassed your knowledge a long time ago.

Read a fucking book about public health once in a while, and for the love of Allah don't be such a jaded asshole.

@idontknow
Those are all fair points. Although, I've always felt that if you're walking into a fast food joint you probably don't pay too much mind to your calorie intake. At least in that particular instance in time. Having this information out there does no harm though, it informs the consumer and may make the producer more aware of how calorically dense their food is.

The effects on restaurants is interesting, I'll look more into that. Thank you.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@SniperGod

By looking at it and using their brain. There are a few methods that are common:

1) Memorize the caloric value of certain things and then compare what you're ordering to that. That's what I used to do when I was watching my calories on a cut cycle. For example, a typical 1/4 lb hamburger patty is about 300 calories. A fried chicken thigh is 420 calories. Etc.

2) This one is harder, but more universal. Carbs and protein are 4 calories per gram. Fat is 9 cals/gram. Estimate the amount of each in the food and do math.

3) Smartphone app. Just look up the foods you're considering and it will tell you the calories. There's even apps to log your diet, etc. Those apps also have name-brand foods in there, so you could look up a "Big mac meal" or a "#7 from Taco Bell", etc.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Crazy_Nice
Shut the fuck up dude do you actually think you're a rebel? You're fucking psychotic.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Crazy_Nice
I do the third but when you go to a real restaurant you have no idea how many calories the garbage nachos have

Methshot
Methshot

@Fried_Sushi
Did you realize that the calorie counts on menus has actually induced people to buy HIGHER caloric foods? Peltzman Effect in full force.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Boy_vs_Girl
do you actually think you're a rebel?

The opposite, actually. I think this is basic shit that any adult should know. Knowing this isn't special or praiseworthy, it ought to be expected.

@King_Martha
But you can estimate the volume of cheese, the amount of chips, etc. Or you can find something similar on your phone app and pick that. Close enough is good enough in this case.

FastChef
FastChef

@Emberfire

i didn't know that costco poutine had 1500 calories until a few days ago

It's a fuck hueg dish of french fries, cheese curds, and gravy, what did you think it was?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@PackManBrainlure
Holy fuck you're stupid even by Veeky Forums standards.

Emberburn
Emberburn

he doesn't use a bomb calorimeter on all his food

JunkTop
JunkTop

@SniperWish

care to explain your point or are you just going to shitpost?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Crazy_Nice
Did you even read?
1. Memorizing foods is different than estimating, though it's useful in comparing similar foods the problem exists where some places use wildly different or unexpected ingredients or cooking methods.
2. This is exactly what I was asking and you answered by saying "Estimate calories by estimating calories" Thanks a lot, very helpful. I guess I must be the retard if I can't tell how many grams of each macronutrient something is.

3. If we're gonna just look up the fucking calories, why do we need to learn how to estimate shit? Also what good does that do at any non-chain restaurant?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@TreeEater
Close enough is good enough
No it's fucking not, people consistently underestimate the calories they eat

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@iluvmen
I hope you tip your local McBusiness workers

girlDog
girlDog

@VisualMaster
Only if you order nothing but plain chicken or beef can you just guess shit. Fast food places love to use 'special' sauces which can have huge amounts of calories, they also put sugar in fucking everything

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Spazyfool
Memorizing foods is different than estimating

No, it's a tool you can use to estimate by comparing the unknown item to known similar things.

>>2. This is exactly what I was asking and you answered by saying "Estimate calories by estimating calories"

You seem to have missed the point then. It's estimating calories by estimating mass or volume.

hanks a lot, very helpful. I guess I must be the retard if I can't tell how many grams of each macronutrient something is.

Not a retard, just ignorant. Read up. Look at some foods and read the labels. You'll figure it out pretty damn quick.

3. If we're gonna just look up the fucking calories, why do we need to learn how to estimate shit?

I was listing a variety of methods you could use. Personally I think the estimating method is faster since you can do it in your head without needing to whip out your phone. But other people may not agree so the phone is another option.

Also what good does that do at any non-chain restaurant?
Refer back to what we discussed earlier. You find a similar food. For example, suppose you were at a mom-n-pop place and were considering a hamburger with fries. Well, Mom-and-pop isn't in the phone app, but a similar burger from McDonalds, Five Guys, etc, is. Pick what's the closest, use that. Sure it's not 100% accurate but it doesn't need to be. It's close enough to get the point across.

@Raving_Cute
Then they can work to correct their estimation skills. My point was that the numbers don't need to be exact down to the last calorie, +/- 10% error would be negligible here.

idontknow
idontknow

@girlDog

How so? You break it down.
Estimate calories for the piece of chicken. Does it have a fatty sauce on it? Estimate calories for the sauce. Repeat.

Worst case just assume the sauces are 100% fat, that way you'll be erring on the safe side no matter what.

Christ, it's like I'm dealing with a pile of imbeciles here. This isn't hard.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Erring on the safe side
Just estimate everything with terrible accuracy instead of having them tell you what you are being sold

eGremlin
eGremlin

@happy_sad

Sure. Better to know how to do that for every one of your meals rather than being spoon-fed the information every once in a while.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@eGremlin
You don't know you are estimating you retard

girlDog
girlDog

@JunkTop

Actually, I'm quite good at it. I worked in the seafood department of a grocery store for my first job. You learn pretty fucking quick when it's your job to deal with request like:

"I want dozen 4 oz pieces of salmon please"
"gimme 3/4 of a pound of shrimp",
etc, all day long.

The worst was our butcher station right next to where I worked. Fortunatley I didn't have to work it, but we had a repeat customer who came in four days a week. Every day he'd ask for a NY strip steak that weighed five-eights of a pound. And he was super autistic about it. If the scale came up 0.635 then that was too heavy, he didn't want it. 0.615? Nope. Too light. Cut another one. The butchers hated that guy, but they usually were able to eyeball the cut perfectly the first time.

askme
askme

@Sharpcharm
Lol no you shut the fuck up. Because of people like you we have 100s of new regulations to tackle every new year. Nanny state pussy be a man and fight for freedom.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@idontknow
dealing with imbeciles

So do I have to use a calculator? How do I do that? The layout just looks like numbers with strange looking symbols.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@CodeBuns
I just eat whatever
t. fat fuck

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@TalkBomber
What the fuck do you think that society is a dough ball for people who are medical and policy experts to shape because they 'know ' better. Why on earth should it be illegal not to display caloric details. Do think humans should create laws to hold their hands through the theme park Of life. In Australia because of morons like you it's illegal not to wear a helmet when riding a bike. Who thinks they have the right to tell anyone if a helmet is mandatory or not.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@Deadlyinx
You think yourself smarter than policy makers and individuals who throw their lives away to meticulously study medicine?

Do you want to be a fucking vegetable because your bike slipped in the rain and you weren't wearing a helmet?

Are you so selfish that you'd make your family suffer, and needlessly clog up the medical system because you couldn't be fucked to put on a helmet?

Are you so cavalier that your own health means nothing to you? Keep in mind, for those living in a single payer system, your fellow citizens are paying for YOUR healthcare.

There are people who just get cancer or other terminal illnesses out of pure bad luck. You're purposefully worsening your own health outcomes by not wearing a helmet.

That's what I think about when stupid fucks complain about having to wear a helmet.

Preventative medicine is best medicine. You may be young, stupid, and think you're invincible, but look at some poor fucking kid who has leukemia and could never enjoy that stupidity. Laws like these are in place because they're clinically proven to help you and keep you healthy so you can contribute to society.

And fuck off, the numbers don't fucking affect you one bit. You're probably too stupid to even read them.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Carnalpleasure
contribute to society

Do you really think someone stupid enough to not wear a helmet or seatbelt is going to contribute to society?

tinfoil hat wearing neighbor pissed off because his riding lawnmower has a kill switch if he gets off the seat, jury rigs it to bypass. One day, steps off his mower to grab a stick and his mower runs into his pond. I had to bring my truck with a winch down to his place to retrieve it from the bottom of his pond. Smart.

Techpill
Techpill

@lostmypassword
Yes I do. There is an incredible demand for ditch diggers and human lab subjects.

I'm sorry about your neighbor, I hope he is okay.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@PackManBrainlure
Nah, man. You're retarded.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@girlDog
I bet you're fat.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Techpill
Not even joking here, he was killed last year in a motorcycle wreck not wearing a helmet. He'd retired two years before and was set to enjoy himself. Sad really, because although he was a tinfoil wearing loonie, he was a really good neighbor who wouldn't hesitate to help people out.

girlDog
girlDog

Who gives a shit if they put calories or not on the thing. It's not like fatasses are going to care

Flameblow
Flameblow

@girlDog
This

in my senior seminar class
fat girl waddles in 5 minutes late drinking a large caramel frappe from McDonalds

likme
likme

@askme
YEAH OP BE A MAN , WHY HAVE YOU NOT KILLED ALL OF THE GOVERMENT JEWS YET ? HOW DARE THEY PUT USEFUL NUMBERS THAT ONLY AFFECT YOU IN A GOOD WAY ? , HAHA FUCK THEM

girlDog
girlDog

@Harmless_Venom
You are definitely not a doctor. I assume you push drugs so that obese people feel less sad

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

gov't tries to do something small to influence peoples' healthy eating choices and hopefully reduce the healthcare spending with preventative steps
GOVWRNMENT OVEREEEEEHC

OBAMA GET OFF MY DOLLAR MENU

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Emberfire

What the fuck is a biscuit because it means something else here.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Snarelure
a soda-y bread alternative to a bagel or english muffin

Methshot
Methshot

@iluvmen
FUCK ROADS

cum2soon
cum2soon

@whereismyname
@whereismyname

Over here a biscuit is a sugar snank you dip in your Tea, about the size of a tea cup or mug.

English muffin

We don't have them

Also what is gravy as over here it a thick meat stock poured over beef, lamb or chicken.

Browsing Veeky Forums has certainly opened my eyes to how the New World eat and i thought they were all just memes.

Canada's national dish comes in packaging from America.

idontknow
idontknow

@cum2soon
that's more of a meme national dish

and james lewis kraft was canadian

Playboyize
Playboyize

@cum2soon
gravy is the same

usually stock and pan drippings with flour or cornstarch or roux

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Australia

where we have a bs health star rating (nutrigrain, a sugar cereal is equal in "health starts" to canned veg and fish) and a fixation on calories instead of kicking sugar out of our diet.

im glad to see retards struggle dieting because its ever so easy especially with everything being taught in modern schools.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Snarelure
American biscuits are kind of like scones, I've been told though I don't really know what scones are. It's literally buttermilk pancake mix with much less water if you'd like to find out. Mix it to a dough-ish consistency then portion it into dollops on a baking sheet. Bake until fluffy and delicious.

Do brits have pancakes? Waffle mix, maybe?

massdebater
massdebater

@DeathDog
biscuits are literally buttermilk pancake mix with much less water

Lel, no. Not only no, but hell no, retard.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Ignoramus
Australia is getting fat

You meme about Americans but your obesity rate is skyrocketing

WebTool
WebTool

@cum2soon
Poutine, Donairs, and Nanaimo Bars come in packaging from america?

retard

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@TreeEater
nah i dont even meme about Americans. in fact i remind them that Australia has the same rates (im pretty sure higher than America now). honestly people here obsess over America as some super wierd place when were almost exactly alike due to being young british colonies consisting of outcasts as well as americas occupance (erong word i know) during ww2 influencing our culture significantly.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@DeathDog
It's literally buttermilk pancake mix with much less water if you'd like to find out
no

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@VisualMaster
what the fuck? I was with you until you said we had to improve education. Individuals are responsible for themselves, no need to coddle them. If they don't understand eating makes them fat, they deserve to die.

Nojokur
Nojokur

buy a small burrito today
bean and cheese, 600kcal not too bad
mfw every one of the 25 toppings had it's own kcal listing on the menu

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@DeathDog
Potentially useful
Fries with cheese on top and drowned in gravy is fat, WHO WOULD'VE KNOWN ?!

You're part of the issue.

Techpill
Techpill

@CodeBuns
I know its a thing in NC and I love it. Cutting at 600 calories and eating mcdonalds is incompatible and I know that.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Burnblaze
i make my own poutine that's close to the same size and it's closer to 500 calories

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Need_TLC

I didn't say we had to improve eductation. I said *IF* we were going to spend money on something then we might as well do so via the method that would deliver the best results.

My preference would be to not spend any money on it period.

Individuals are responsible for themselves, no need to coddle them

Agreed.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@CouchChiller

How do you figure that? Post your calculation.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@CouchChiller
fudge with calories boiled out . jpg

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@Need_TLC
This kills the society

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@SniperGod
half a potato deep fried (best calculation i've found for deep frying non battered shit is to double the calories) ~ 325 calories
100 calories butter 25 calories flour (tablespoon of each)
half cup home made stock ~ 40 calories
40 grams of shredded cheese 120 calories

= 610, so i underestimated, but it's still far from 1500

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Burnblaze
You can make assumptions, but it's always helpful to know how much you're eating, even if you aren't rigidly counting your calories.

I don't understand why people have a problem with this, it's been on packages of food since forever.

Evilember
Evilember

@Lord_Tryzalot

Seems reasonable.

It's also a lot smaller of a serving.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@WebTool
.. donair is a Canadian national dish? The problem is more serious than I imagined.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Evilember
yes, i know it's smaller and that home cooked food is generally healthier but that doesn't change the fact that 1500 calories is very excessive. i would have guessed maybe 1100-1200 which is still crazy

i'm not a fatass or a health nut, i just find the numbers interesting

Evilember
Evilember

We're living during strange times.

Calories posted, everything has to sign reading that it causes cancer, and plastic grocery store bags cost money now.

TechHater
TechHater

@Lord_Tryzalot
half a potato
See, this kind of shit always jingles my jangles because who on earth wants to save half a potato. For WHAT?

If it were me, I'd make a double portion using all the ingredients (damn near whatever meal started this entire debacle and just have it count as two meals for that day.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@TechHater
chill dude

i made two servings for two people

and saving half a potato is really not a big deal

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@TechHater
because who on earth wants to save half a potato. For WHAT?

Making a small portion of fries. Making another (Fresh and therefore better) serving of poutine the next day.

Making a small hash brown. dicing it and adding to an omelete, frittata, or hash.

Dice it and add to a soup or stew.

Make a small side of potato chips.

....if you are cooking regularly you can easily find a way to use up half a potato.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@AwesomeTucker
@PurpleCharger
Saving it is the inconvenience. You have to get a plastic bag out, contain it and store it in the fridge.

What if I want a whole potato next time I'm making potatoes? Now I have this worthless half potato molding in my fridge.

Maybe it's just my tendency to have one large meal a day but I would always use the entire potato.

takes2long
takes2long

@Harmless_Venom
Saving it is the inconvenience.

Wow, so inconvenient. That takes, what, 5 seconds to bag or wrap the spud and stick it in the fridge?

What if I want a whole potato next time I'm making potatoes?

Then you grab yourself a whole potato and leave the half until you have a use for it.

Maybe it's just my tendency to have one large meal a day

Seems like that's the issue. If you're cooking multiple dishes a day it's easy as hell to find a use for a half a spud.

Now I have this worthless half potato molding in my fridge.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@askme
Fight for freedom
Not display nutritional information on a menu
da brice of freedumbs ids eternal hamboigahs :DDDDD

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

They do that in Mass. I fucking love it. We also have compulsory nutrition education and physical fitness in schools, and one of the lowest obesity rates in the country.

we also have a booming economy and plenty of public services and low rates of poverty, crime and blight and police violence is almost unheard of.

sure does suck living in this communist hellhole, I tell you what!

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TalkBomber
Fuck you asshat!

I put all my money into a carefully planned portfolio of stocks that are betting that fat asses will get diabetes, lose a foot to it, then need dialysis, yet still wash down dinner with a Diet Coke. I have my future mapped out, so do they...

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Deadlyinx
kek

No, in Mississippi we'd rather live like third worlders than have that kind of quality of life.

Flameblow
Flameblow

That's as much as a whole pie

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Deadlyinx
Since there are no regulations on what can be labeled as "healthy," companies have been slapping that shit on everything that won't get them sued if someone actually found out the real healthfulness of food.
There's nothing wrong with making food companies more clearly state the caloric value they are selling.
Your fast food burger isn't going to have a nutritional label on it to tell you how fat you're going to be, so this isn't an unnecessary regulation to impose on food businesses.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@Emberfire
I'm pretty sure that's been a law here for at least 10 years.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@Harmless_Venom
I work in medicine

I organize patients files.
I walk the patient to the room to see the real doctor.
I schedule patients and verify insurance so real doctors can get paid.

Which one is you?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@PackManBrainlure
No. The other two posters didn't give explain why your idea doesn't make sense, so I'll try.

The parable you're referencing is something like
Give a man a fish and he will be sated today and hungry tomorrow. Teach a man to fish and he will be sated forever

Well, what if the man is a fucking moron and unable or unwilling to learn to fish? Because that's the average American.

Also this
teaching people to estimate this on their own now means they can apply that information to each and every meal they eat. All of them. Not just fast food.

This is what I do. My mom gets upset that I do this yet she's obese and I'm not.

That said, it takes a special kind of retard to not realize that all food has calories. So counting calories at mcdonalds could make normies realize all food has calories and maybe they should pay attention to those calories outside of fast food. And to finish, this is still a much much much cheaper solution.

Civics would be a better policy to reimplement.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

/fit/ asshole here

I genuinely wish this could be the case with every food product vendor of any sort in the entire world. Whether you are trying to gain weight or lose it, calorie counts can be extremely crucial. If you have a strict weight loss plan, you can't go out to eat unless you know the calories of what you want. If you're on a diet and your friends, family, or coworkers pressure you into going out, you need calorie counts to know how much you can eat while sticking to your plan. If you are a busy person but still trying for calorie goals, this is a fucking life saver because you can easily calculate how everything you would eat everywhere fits in your daily macros. Calorie counts are extremely helpful to people like me who have a great understanding of weight management, nutrition, and data collection; think about how essential they are to absolute tards who can't even imagine how many calories are in their average meal but still need to know how many calories to take in and put out so that they don't die of obesity.

farquit
farquit

@Crazy_Nice
So you are a fan of more forced government regulation in your life?

idontknow
idontknow

@farquit
I have no problem with government regulation where it is logical and helpful.

likme
likme

@farquit
oh fuck, regulation that makes it slightly easier to find info that they were already legally required to give you???? how awful.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@farquit
I'm a fan of the government forcing fat fucks to take a good long look at and acknowledge the numbers they are taking in. Maybe a handful of them will feel ashamed enough to start making better life choices, and maybe that will spare us a few dollars per year in healthcare.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@idontknow
@likme
A little bit of freedom here a little bit of freedom there who cares!

King_Martha
King_Martha

@hairygrape
Logic like this is why people are in prison for weed or why you have explicit content warnings ( censorship) on CD's.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@King_Martha
Logic like this is why people are in prison for weed

This has nothing to do with anything. Do you have brain damage?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Fuzzy_Logic
how is making info that was already publicly available more easily noticed reducing freedom?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@King_Martha
no it's not

@Fuzzy_Logic
muh slippery slopes

neither of you could sit comfortably in your house and shitpost on the internet without the benefits of government intervention. You are happy with these results of government intervention, I imagine, so clearly government intervention is not the worst thing in your life.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@farquit
@Fuzzy_Logic

Libertarian shills get out. There's nothing wrong with the government forcing food producers to tell you what exactly is contained in the food they're selling. A good many people died before we passed food inspection and labeling laws.

The only freedom you're losing is the freedom to pretend you're not a huge fatass eating 4k calories a day.

@King_Martha
Logic like this is why people are in prison for weed
They should be.

or why you have explicit content warnings ( censorship) on CD's.
Telling people what's contained in lyrics is the literal opposite of censorship. Forcing "artists" to not curse in their songs would be censorship. Editing those songs to remove the profanity would be censorship.

Putting a label on the front that says, "Hey, this album contains profanity" doesn't infringe on the freedoms of anyone but children whose parents have enough sense to forbid them from purchasing that album.

TechHater
TechHater

@Skullbone
99% of progress within the computing sector came from private companies so shhhhhhhhhhh. And private companies can provide electricity and internet infrastructure so NUHHHH

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@VisualMaster
Why make people estimate when you can have the people that know how many calories are in something provide that information? Would you rather they hide ingredient lists, too?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@cum2soon
Yes it does it is based on moral relativism reasoning , on what is considered good for the majority of the population ----- you dimwit

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@TechHater
"private" companies are an illusion
companies only exist as creatures of social contracts, protected only by the letter of the law

whereismyname
whereismyname

@JunkTop
moral relativism
you mean SJW logic? "it matters to me therefore it should matter equally to you"?

Lunatick
Lunatick

@whereismyname
@whereismyname
Exactly

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Emberfire
And some people thinks that's the prices in California...

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@BinaryMan
Why don't we educate people so they can estimate and identify ingredients on their own. That way they can apply it to any and all food that they see, rather than being limited to reading ingredient labels.

What exactly is contained in these? You should be able to solve this.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Lmao at you fatfucks getting mad about the gov telling you exactly how much you're over eating. Sad!

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Burnblaze
What exactly is contained in these? You should be able to solve this.

Why would I know exactly what is in something I have never considered eating?

Why do you think precise information on what you eat is a bad thing?

cum2soon
cum2soon

making it harder to make informed choices means people have more freedom xD

askme
askme

Just put them up at the local McDonald's.

I think my lunch was probably around 3000. Not sure, I only eat McDonald's when I'm really hungover and I didn't feel like counting stuff.

massdebater
massdebater

@iluvmen
ruin life for everyone else

ARE YOU DETAINING ME!?!?!? Inhibiting my right to a pursuit of happiness is a direct violation of the NAP, nothing personal but in order to prevent a counter-suit I will have to eradicate every atom from your body with my 2nd amendment approved tactical nuke launcher.

idontknow
idontknow

@Sir_Gallonhead
so am I supposed to know exactly what I want 100% of the time I go into a restaurant, before I go there? is that how you live your life? are you a fucking child who is afraid to try new food?

Techpill
Techpill

@idontknow
Restaurant food generally isn't corn syrup processed shelf stable pastry, unless you like garbage restaurants.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Techpill
waiter, what's every ingredient with what exact measurement in this dish? I need to know because...calories

FastChef
FastChef

@Snarelure
Tell me, are you autistic? What about being told how much you eat sets you off so badly?

farquit
farquit

@Sir_Gallonhead
Why do you think precise information on what you eat is a bad thing?

My point was that it's a good thing and it's virtually impossible to tell what's contained in food just by looking at it.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@askme
Do you need to go back to your pol safe space?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

that law is fine the minute they ban cooking with lard im going to have a serious problem

RumChicken
RumChicken

@CouchChiller
they really are americans in denial

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Does anybody else like calories on menu items because it helps them quickly figure out how to get through the day most cheaply? I have a stupid high metabolism.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Deadlyinx
But they're legally required to have and display this information anyways. The only change is its now displayed more prominently.

TechHater
TechHater

@Sharpcharm
how is making info that was already publicly available more easily noticed reducing freedom?
it's reducing the freedom of the restaurant to choose how to display their wares. oh no!

StonedTime
StonedTime

@FastChef
that's not my point, you dingo

MPmaster
MPmaster

@JunkTop
How fat are you? Be honest. You must be extremely fat.

SniperGod
SniperGod

@MPmaster
normally this would be an ad hominem, but he admitted to be a relativist, so it's actually not.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@SniperGod
you're wrong twice over, i'm impressed

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@SomethingNew
if by twice you mean not at all, okay.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@BunnyJinx
no, you have no idea what ad hominem means or how it works, both of the things you said about it are flat out wrong and even a glance at the first sentence in wikipedia about it would tell you so

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

What a waste of taxpayer money and Mcdicks money

People who eat fast food don't give a fuck any calories

Maybe twenty customers total took the time to record that number or planned it out.

This shit was always in pamphlets in the stores and readily available online anyway.

Typical liberal policies. Can't wait till Trump ends this shit

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@SniperGod
implying anyone needs to know exact ratios of fiber, sugar, protein and fat

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Garbage Can Lid
an ad hominem fallacy is a fallacious argument based on one's person rather than the argument, with the respect that the relevance of one's person to the argument must be established before the ad hominem could be considered a relevant or valid argument.

In this case, the poster flat out stated he's a moral relativist, which means that his argument is relative to who he is. If he's fat, then, his argument is only relevant within the fatosphere.

@Gigastrength
fast food
you realize this isn't just for McDicks, right? It's for every prepared food product in the entire region.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@TalkBomber
an ad hominem fallacy is a fallacious argument based on one's person rather than the argument, with the respect that the relevance of one's person to the argument must be established before the ad hominem could be considered a relevant or valid argument.
except the post you were referring to wasn't even an argument, which it would need to be before it can be an ad hominem - it was just some guy asking him if he's fat, there were no arguments made

In this case, the poster flat out stated he's a moral relativist, which means that his argument is relative to who he is. If he's fat, then, his argument is only relevant within the fatosphere.
meanwhile, no, what you're doing now is an ad hominem, the entire point of why it's a fallacy is because the character or other attributes of the person saying it are actually irrelevant to the velidity of any argument they make

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

8469457
this is a low quality discussion not worth continuing
not even going to give you a (You)

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Lord_Tryzalot
mental coward

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Burnblaze
implying you're not retarded

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@Emberfire
We've had that for decades in england

farquit
farquit

@Emberfire
I didn't know that it had 1500 calories, but it should be common sense that food consisting of cheese curds and gravy is going to have a shit ton of them.

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