What is PhD life actually like? Before, during and after, please greentext it...

StonedTime
StonedTime

What is PhD life actually like? Before, during and after, please greentext it new faggots.

free time / week
monthly income
career prospects
enjoyment

post 'em

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FastChef
FastChef

@StonedTime
Nice thumbnail retard

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@StonedTime
before?
shit. you are an undergrad and you are nothing. then you get accepted and you instantly become important. you are wined and dined at school visits and its awesome. so fucking cool. its like being flown around the countries for parties in your celebration for being accepted

during
you are paid to do research in a field I hope you enjoy. thats not a bad deal in itself. but you made it with the devil. you are required to work. hard. everyday. 10 - 12 hour days on average + classes and TAing. it can be crushing at times how stressed you feel. but there are many positives and it is an adventure.

after
hopefully you chose an area in applied research so your degree isnt fucking useless. if you did, then money will come. if you didnt then you fall into the PhD glut along with the organic PhDs and theoretical people.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I want to get a PhD but I can't get my shit together. I'm still undergrad though, I think I have time.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Illusionz
same here, I'm hoping they might be forgiving of shitty community college transcript if I pull off straight A's until I graduate with a BS,(ideally with relevant research/experience). I've got about a year of classes left at a community college, but really, really, fucked up early on

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@StonedTime
fuck your thumbnail posting ass

Booteefool
Booteefool

@FastChef
nice anime fetish retard

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I'm a PhD student and fucked around for two years trying to find that one thing I'd really enjoy to research.
I think I found it, but there are less than two years of studies left for me and I probably won't make it in time.
I have no idea about the field I want to research yet, because I did something else so far.
Time will tell.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@StonedTime
someone had to post this

RumChicken
RumChicken

man I love me some anime titties lmao

Emberfire
Emberfire

Working on biophysics PhD.

before
Took off a few years after undergrad to work as a lab tech, job-hopped across some temp positions in industry and academia. Settled in to a tech job at a med school for a year, treated it like grad school. Asked for my own project, asked questions, designed experiments, analyzed data, etc. Got the experience and letters I needed.

during
First year is rough between coursework and rotations. Only so many hours in a day, so do what you need to do to get into your lab, and study what you need to get a background from your classes.
Second year is better, you're in your lab and taking relevant elective coursework. Name of the game here is passing candidacy. You need to demonstrate that you know what you're doing: how to ask questions; why your field has put forth the question that you're asking; how you want to design experiments that answer your question; how you will develop your project depending on what your experiments tell you.
Third and fourth years are where you really learn how to do science. You become an independent scientist, drive a project. Hopefully write a manuscript. Also train in other skills needed in research -- writing grants, reviewing grants and manuscripts, presenting data.

free time / week
Put in 60 - 80 hrs/wk. Usually "free time" is from Saturday afternoon/evening through Sunday morning/afternoon. Maybe early in the mornings or late in evenings.
monthly income
Stipend is $28k/yr, comes out to around $2k/mo after taxes. Quality of live is dependent on where you live. I'm in the Midwest U.S., out here most of the grad students can get by. On the other hand, making $32k/yr in NYC or the UC system is quite different.

career prospects
Probably good, I'm in a marketable area that has applications in biotech.

enjoyment
Sure, it's fun. My PI and I get along fine, and I know he does have what's best for my training in mind.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@DeathDog
thicc :)

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

during
four or five hours a day weekdays, all weekends unless an experiment needs me in the lab for a timepoint
a bit over 2k some months, although it gets tapped six months a year for student fees
research jobs, teaching jobs if I get a certificate, shitty sales/QA jobs
I enjoy it but I landed in a good lab with a reasonable PI. lots of horror stories out there

farquit
farquit

@StonedTime

after phd from #1 ranked school
Work the same amt. as in grad school (40-50 hr/week)
$45k/yr
first year of 3 yr postdoc, applying unsuccessfully for faculty jobs despite top tier pub record
love it, basically all the best parts of grad school (research) without any of the other crap.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@farquit
Jesus that's terrible.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Bioeng phd here.

before

Undergrad with decent grades (3.3 at Ivy) but with 3 papers from research (1 first author + 2 somewhere in the middle) because I started as a freshman.

Applied to top 15 schools in my field, was flown around for interviews (aka recruitment weekends) and lived the high life before being rejected from MIT and ending up at #2 on list. I looked at the website for the group I had wanted to join and they'd chosen some guy from a state school who I'd met before at a conference. I'm fourth year now and have out-published him despite the fact that those spergs all sleep in their labs.

during

Rotate first semester (or first two in rare cases where someone stupidly decides to rotate longer), while taking 2-3 classes. Classes are small and hard but everyone puts in the work needed and getting anything below a B+ is embarrassing to you and your future PI.

Second year you start taking fewer classes (maybe 1 per semester depending on areas you need to brush up on) and spending your time on your research project and subprojects.

People still doing helper work and/or training new skills in their second year are either in a mediocre lab or at a mediocre school. We're expected to have a paper out by the end of second year here.

Third and fourth year, you enter a bit of a crisis realizing the 8-paper prodigy you imagined yourself being isn't coming true, so you buckle down and put in even more time. At this point you're doing two projects simultaneously in between wasting 20-25% of your time in meetings with other labs wishing to collaborate with you, discussing when a good time to have another meeting will be.

Fifth (or sixth if you're slow) year, you're cranking out your dissertation and filling in experimental blanks as they come up.

after

Apply for quantitative finance jobs because sweating in a plastic bunny suit under yellow light for another 3 years as a post doc is not appealing whatsoever, and you make >money than your MD friends.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@StonedTime
chemistry PhD
about 60 hours/week in lab
ca. $30K/yr
pharma, fragrances, flavorings, academia
wouldn't be worth it if I didn't love chemistry

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@w8t4u

It's not optimal, but typical, since my field (evolutionary bio) has basically zero non-academic prospects.

Also depressing is the fact that only 10 or so tenure track positions open at non-garbage-tier schools each year and each of these positions gets between 200 and 400 applicants and usually end up hiring some near-tenured assistant prof. from one of said garbage tier schools.

That said, I love the work and ability to set my own schedule/travel all the time/etc. It's definitely not for everyone, though.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@DeathDog
sauce?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Stupidasole
if you didnt then you fall into the PhD glut along with the organic PhDs
Wait, so what's the deal with organic PhDs then? If someone could please inform me, this information would be extremely relevant to some immediate choices I have to make. I have heard nobody cares at least about compelx total syntheses anymore really...besides Indian and China. Is a PhD in a field that is pretty related to synthesis, like chem. biology or med chem. a good idea?

girlDog
girlDog

@Boy_vs_Girl
Keep in mind, I am aware of the extreme demands that a PhD in organic makes on someone. I saw it firsthand. I saw people stop. I'm talking career wise.

Flameblow
Flameblow

My advice to people considering graduate school:

You are not applying for traditional school. You are applying to an on-the-job apprenticeship program for academic research positions. Treat this as a real job. Talk to the PI up-front about expectations for hours, pay, stuff like that.

There are a lot of PIs who treat graduate students as disposable short-term researchers. They burn their students out with unreasonable hours and impossible expectations for research output. Avoid those PIs.

It's in no one's best interest for you to burn out three years into a six year program.

iluvmen
iluvmen

What can I do to get accepted to do a PhD in robotics at the university of Tokyo?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@iluvmen
Speak japanese and be japanese

MPmaster
MPmaster

@happy_sad
FUCK

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I'm getting a master's for free instead of graduating early from undergrad

My gpa in my major in undergrad is only about a 3.7. In my grad classes I expect to end up with somewhere around 3.8-3.9. Is this good enough to to get in to good graduate schools? I have three semesters left and I have a second authorship. I'm shooting for a first authorship by when I graduate.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

will I get a lot of pussy if I get a phd

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Flameblow
academic research positions
This mentality is why so many PhD's can't find jobs. There's plenty of jobs outside of academia that a person with a PhD can do. And they generally pay better, if that's something you're into.

FastChef
FastChef

@ZeroReborn
I added that qualifier because, you're right, a PhD is more than suitable for doing lots of academic jobs, but the experience itself is training for a very specific kind of job.

And if you did want to do some other career, yes you can go there from a PhD but you're probably better off taking a different route. If you want to teach high school biology or do sales or QA, you don't need to slave for six years getting a PhD to be hired.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@ZeroReborn
but I want to stay in the academia, how else do I get to fuck hot 20 year olds for life?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@FastChef
If you want something like going into a quant hedge fund, a PhD is basically a necessity and it pays very very well

girlDog
girlDog

@TurtleCat
No, but you will find a quite smart virgin girl who devoted herself entirely to studying and didn't have time to date guys before you.

Playboyize
Playboyize

@ZeroReborn
if that's something you're into
money

Techpill
Techpill

@Playboyize
many of us would rather take a lower paying job that's actually interesting
inb4 being a money monkey is interesting

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@FastChef
Personally, I'm planning on going into either private or government research, both of which typically require PhD's. There are plenty of jobs out there that require/"recommend" applicants have PhDs.

Worst case scenario it's an easy way to get a Masters degree for free. Just complete 2/3 years then bail.

TechHater
TechHater

Holy shit, a relevant thread.

be me, graduated with PhD in _______ engineering last month
started new job at government lab this week.

Before phd:
In college
Enjoying college
Good at college.
Want to stay in college forever
Learn that you can get paid to stay in college forever.
lol, why would anyone not do that?

During:
Lol, I get paid to go to school
this is the best thing ever
This is amazing
I work like 20 hours/week max
Last six months were hell on earth, though

after:
Now I have a job that pays six figures
Gonna buy a house with girlfriend
Job is actually pretty fun
research position, lots of freedom
Can't work 15 hours/week anymore, though
Can't leave town for a month at a time without telling anybody
I wish I could've stayed in grad school longer.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TechHater
Do you have any proof of these claims?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@JunkTop
God gave it

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Second year theoretical physics PhD

typically only work total of 10 hours/wk
$2k/month after taxes. It all goes to rent, food, gas, and bills.
probably best bets for decent money right out of grad school are finance or gov't research
awesome. I tutor on the side for enjoyment money, so so far I'm hardly working, doing what I love, and I can afford to have fun too. Great time.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@AwesomeTucker
evolutionary bio
PHD

I gotta ask; what's your personal opinion on racism?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@JunkTop

Is anything I said particularly unbelievable?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@happy_sad
From living in Japan for 5 years, I can attest that this is very accurate.

farquit
farquit

@girlDog
virgin girl
Not likely. Changes are you'll find a quite, smart, girl, who was overly trusting of a guy, and ended up getting burned from it. She now has major trust issues and be notably cynical of any feelings you may have. The fact that your social skills are probably crap won't help in sealing the deal either.

The good thing though is that if you do seal the deal, she'll likely be down for any kinky shit your fucked up mind can come up with out of fear of rejection.

5mileys
5mileys

@farquit
This is one of the reasons I'm pursuing a phd desu and I'm not ashamed to admit it

idontknow
idontknow

@Need_TLC
I work like 20 hours/week max

What kind of shit-tier school did you go to? It takes me more than twenty hours a week just to do my assignments, and that's before I start doing any independent research, or my RA/TA duties.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@iluvmen
Suck cocktail wieners, lots of them.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Ignoramus
Learn game, and not the vidya kind.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@idontknow
In uk no classes or assignments pure researc

Skullbone
Skullbone

@TreeEater
That's the game user, you become a professor and have high criteria. Words spreads around that you lower them for girls who spread their legs. I know two professors who confirmed me they've been doing this for like two decades and one of them is a smelly manlet bald 58 year old.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Nude_Bikergirl
What about if you're truly an exceptional brain and speak/write fluent Japanese?

SniperGod
SniperGod

@Snarelure
Is it possible to skip undergrad into grad in the UK?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Skullbone
I do this too. Godtier since '98 fuck better than my students

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Burnblaze
foriegners out

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@SniperGod
Lool no just phd has no classes etc. Just research and i guess applying for shit but no coursework or anything.

RumChicken
RumChicken

@SniperGod
Think only in maths u can skip

DeathDog
DeathDog

@RavySnake
I'll take that was a bitter yes from a uyoku dantai.

Look Tojo, your country is one of, if not the most technologically advanced countries/country on Earth and offers a vast amount of publications.

You are going to have to start accepting a certain level of multiculturalism, if only from Europeans (which is best).

Get used to it, we're going to beer batter your women, face it.

Hafus everywhere, glorious.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@DeathDog
Japs are okay with other races aslong as they abode to customs. There are 'only japanese' restaurantd but only means customs andlanguage not race. Coz west is rude.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@RumChicken
In the UK?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@5mileys
The best part is that, due to them not slutting themselves out to any guy who gives them attention during undergrad, they almost always are clean; which is a big plus in my books.

A note though for the kinky shit; communication is essential! if you're going to stick it in her ass you need to tell her before you do (you don't have to wait for a response). If you don't communicate with her, she'll assume you don't care, and are just exploiting her. This almost always results in grief on your end, but oh man! are they hot when they're pissed. It makes it all worth the suffering they are bound to put you through.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@Supergrass
You really have a thing for nerdy girls, don't you?

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Supergrass
You sound like you speak from experience. There's not to many girls in my field and I presumed that if I found any they'd already have someone.

girlDog
girlDog

@CodeBuns
Yeah if ure autistic

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Nude_Bikergirl
Did you do a PhD there? What have you been doing in Japan for 5 years?

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Harmless_Venom
Yes, yes I do. They are the best in my opinion, as they have the perfect combination of brains and crazy. It's maddening in the best type of way.

@King_Martha
Doesn't matter; stick your dirty mitts into other fields that you are at least some-what interested in (you have to show at least some passion in what they're passionate about, and they'll know if you're bs'ing them). If you're an antisocial fuck like I used to be, you might want to look into taking LSD or shrooms. They help a lot with introspection/one's emotional appeal and will definitely give you an edge, especially if you don't have the best of looks.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Flameblow
My father was in the armed services and ended up being stationed there, and because of such I dragged along with him at the age of 9. Twas quite the experience (the learning curve was brutal).

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@girlDog
Good thing I am. Clinically diagnosed Asperger's when I was 18 (in the UK).

@SniperWish
Good choice, I ideally want to get my filthy white hands on a Japanese nerdy girl and make her have my hafu babies.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TechHater
20 hours a week max seriously? I just need to have time to practice piano, guitar and sc2 everyday for at least an hour each if I can do this I will phd

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@StrangeWizard
I ideally want to get my filthy white hands on a Japanese nerdy girl
diagnosed Asperger's when I was 18

You better get a hold of some acid before you leave for Japan. You're going to need an atomic bomb's worth of charisma (not to mention brians) if you want to even have a shot at getting into a good uni, let alone a nerdy wafu that doesn't have an abusive father.
If you do land yourself a good jap, then gtfo out of the country with her before her parents guilt her into killing herself. Marrying out of Japanese blood is a big no no in Japan, and any classy wafu knows this.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@StrangeWizard
U ever heard of aspergers savant? No then

Bidwell
Bidwell

@haveahappyday
That's actually pretty good advice, user, thank you.

Though, I thought Japanese was becoming less xenophobic?

I sometimes watch those channels of the Japanese guys who walk around Tokyo and a couple of other cities interviewing mostly Japanese people about their views.

Many of them, including those of middle age, seem to be quite liberal (somewhat to my dismay).

How discriminator toward white Europeans are the Japanese? I thought most of it was directed toward people of African decent?

idontknow
idontknow

@cum2soon
Yeah, I have, me. :^)

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Bidwell
As a rule of thumb people are only racist and xenophobic with people with darker skin than theirs.

Methshot
Methshot

@kizzmybutt
What if you're lighter? I mean, I'm certainly lighter than the majority of Japanese people I've seen.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@kizzmybutt
I wonder why.
Probably ignorant bigotry.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@Methnerd
Holy fuck, are you serious, every thread has to turn into your one of your opinion pieces?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@PackManBrainlure
Here, have more opinion.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Bidwell
You cannot assume that what people say, especially in public and especially in Japan, is the whole truth or even the truth.

This isn't unique to Japan; being a cunt on camera is frowned upon everywhere, and lying about tolerance because it's socially unacceptable is common everywhere in the west (think about how many American families are "fine with gays" but would not be so accepting if their son came out) but it's fair to say it's even more pronounced over there.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@Snarelure
racist

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Bidwell
From the user you replied to:

becoming less xenophobic
I don't live there anymore, and I'm probably not the most informed person out there regarding this issue, but I'm fairly certain@Emberburn
had the right idea; they are not as outspoken about it as they used to be to maintain good PR.

those channels of the Japanese guys who walk around Tokyo
Key word Tokyo; that's one of the most liberal places you can go in Japan. I personally like northern Japan better, if you don't mind the cold.

How discriminator toward white Europeans are the Japanese? I thought most of it was directed toward people of African decent?

Ehh you're probably going to get lumped in as an "American" by most unless your accent is obvious. If you conform and to their society and respect their culture, then the large majority won't have a problem with you. If you're not fluent in Japanese, you're always going to be though of as lesser, and because you're white, you're already thought of as lesser.

I think the main reason Blacks get such a bad rap in Japan is that they walk into the country expecting everything to be handed to them. They never take the time to understand Japanese culture beyond what is shown in anime, and that if anyone gives them crap they always fall back on the race card (trying to guilt-trip people is in no way honorable, and honestly just reinforces their prejudice towards them).

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@MPmaster
If you're not fluent in Japanese, you're always going to be though of as lesser, and because you're white, you're already thought of as lesser.

**edit**
because you're not Japanese, you're already thought of as lesser.

likme
likme

@Methnerd
"endoresed"
that god awful color scale
conveniently don't post the objections

Here you go user.
The methodology of their research has been heavily criticized for not having consistent measures of IQ across countries and for the way estimates were generated. For example, the average IQ of countries without data is reported as the average of neighboring or comparable countries. In addition to this, the way in which samples were either included or excluded in their analysis is unsystematic, potentially biasing their results. Thomas Nechyba’s review in the Journal of Economic Literature points out the following flaw:

The degree of IQ heritability, however, has no logical bearing on this issue. Even if we take the authors’ reading of the literature as given and assume that 80 percent of IQ is heritable, the entire observed cross country difference in IQ may be environmentally rather than genetically driven. Consider, for instance, a plant variety whose size is known to be 80 percent heritable. If we grow genetically identical seeds of this plant in two plots under the same initial soil conditions and then fertilize only one plot, the dramatic differences in plant height that emerge will be entirely driven by environmental factors despite the high heritability of plant height. The fact that some countries score lower on IQ tests than others thus has nothing to say about the degree to which IQ scores are genetically predetermined or the degree to which they will change under different circumstances. Developed countries may simply be like the plants that received fertilizer earlier for reasons having nothing to do with IQ.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@likme
Lynn and Nyborg are the only ones doing research on this thanks to you virtue-signalers and ethnomasochists.
Good enough for me until better studies show up ( i.e. after the collapse of western civilisation before the end of this century http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/The-decay-of-Western-civilization-final.pdf ).

The degree of IQ heritability, however, has no logical bearing on this issue.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@StonedTime
free time / week
none
monthly income
peanuts
career prospects
haha
enjoyment
100%

Lunatick
Lunatick

@BunnyJinx
now that I've gotten that out of my system, here is my actual response

free time / week
depends on your phd, all phd's are completely different
monthly income
You will not make good money doing any phd, anywhere, under any circumstances, ever. Expect to make 40% less, dependent on country, in US the wage difference is huge, in other countries not so huge.
career prospects
depends on your phd, all phd's are completely different
enjoyment
100%

Emberburn
Emberburn

@StonedTime
PHD in math
any job I want
300k starting

JunkTop
JunkTop

@TechHater
this is similar to my experiences doing ECE PhD at good-tier state school (although im not done yet)

grad school lifestyle is awesome. i would do this forever.

a lot of weeks i do less than 20 hrs with no problem. then there are other guys in my lab who bust their ass every day and I'm still closer to finishing than them. work smart, not hard. oh, and make sure everyone thinks you are working tons of hours even if you are not

whereismyname
whereismyname

@TreeEater
Research on human genetics, and the genetics of IQ are done all the time... it's just that data we already have discounts any possible of racist concepts being true.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@StonedTime
free time / week
i stop working after dinner, so maybe 5 hours/day -> 30-40 hours of down time including weekends
monthly income
my phd pays about 40k/year so a bit over 3k/month pre-tax
career prospects
pretty good
enjoyment
i'm pretty happy

chemical engineering, top 5 school

takes2long
takes2long

as a preface, i'm in my fourth year in an engineering phd program in a mediocre school.

i fucked up after undergrad because i couldn't find a job and joined the lab of the first professor that contacted me. this cost me 2 years of my time before he finally got 3 grants at the same time and there was money to do experiments. pay is shit, about 2k per month and you need to pay fees on top of that. a phd in engineering probably hurts your career prospects more than anything. being in a lab with no windows all day is depressing to say the least. having to sit on my ass for 2 years also killed my motivation. the biggest enjoyment is probably out of meeting the people i would have otherwise not met. most of the professors are egotistical narcissists, but the actual researchers are some of the most impressive people i have met.

as a word of advice: ask your adviser how the financial situation in the lab is, you can ask this question however you feel appropriate, but you need to get a feel for whether the lab has money or not. ask the adviser how soon you will be assigned a project and can start working on it, and ask how you will be funded, TA? RA? if TA ask for how long. it cuts into your time and you really don't get shit out of it unless you enjoy spoonfeeding shithead undergrads (you won't.)

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Crazy_Nice
Seems pretty kek that math majors get 10/10 wives.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@TechHater
engineering

Oh. That's why.

I work in both a chem and materials engineering lab and I can guarantee you engineers don't work nearly as hard as scientists. It's actually embarrassing how lazy you fuckers are and even upsetting seeing your labs and thinking about how much I could get done in 5 years vs you.

massdebater
massdebater

@kizzmybutt
some guy from some state school

What's wrong with state schools?
t. State school fag

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I want to get a master's degree, is it as bad as PhD?

RavySnake
RavySnake

I'm 2.5 years into a structural engineering PhD, best civil engineering school in my country and around 14th in the world.

My hours are basically 9-5 5 days a week. Nothing I can't handle. Occasionally have to come in on a weekend or stay until 9-10 PM finishing a paper but overall the hours are the same as any other job.

Income is 25k (basic), but I managed to get 3 scholarships and it is closer to 40k. Quite comfortable, manage to save some money. All tax-free.

An academic career is an option for me, although not one I will pursue. I do not enjoy research much. Though I don't regret doing a PhD and I'm confident I'll finish it, but I have no interest in remaining in research after I finish. There will be plenty of industry jobs for me when I graduate.

Enjoyment overall is fine. I have a GF, moderate circle of friends, have enough free time to relax and enough money to live comfortably and do what I want. The PhD itself though is like a niggling source of anxiety at the back of my mind, and I'll be hugely relieved when I finish it.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Can I get a phd without going for a masters degree? You used to have to be a magister first before going for phd. I have no idea what it's like now.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@CouchChiller
Yes, I did @RavySnake

At my uni you need 1st class Honours in undergrad to go straight to a PhD

Personally I don't think having just 1st class Honours is a proper requirement

Otherwise you need a Masters

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@MPmaster

I think the main reason Blacks get such a bad rap in Japan is that they walk into the country expecting everything to be handed to them. They never take the time to understand Japanese culture beyond what is shown in anime, and that if anyone gives them crap they always fall back on the race card (trying to guilt-trip people is in no way honorable, and honestly just reinforces their prejudice towards them).

Is this a troll? I say this because there hasn't been enough blacks who have gone to Japan to force that kind of meme en masse. That shit only works in America, Canada and some European countries because there's been a foundation laid for that kinda thing already (not necessarily by blacks only but others too). Also most blacks that do make it to Japan are those from the U.S. military not some civilian meme anime fans.

It makes more sense that they just hate blacks because of appearance, thinking of inferiority, adoption of white attitude or the few Blacks that do go there via military are on average assholes and bases the majority on that via word of mouth.

I doubt it's based on liberal guilt trip thinking that shit is usually reserved for women in non Western countries unless it's specifically an aid based.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@Emberfire
80 hours a week and you make less than $30k??? Wtf

iluvmen
iluvmen

@CouchChiller
I think it depends on the country

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Spazyfool
10hrs/week

So i take it the amount of work a phd has to do is often over exaggerated? Just like any other college student..

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@CouchChiller
Depends on the discipline. It's very common in biology to go straight into a PhD program without a Master's degree. The catch is, it's lumping both programs into one. Instead of separate 2-3 year programs, you have one 5-7 year program in one lab.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@Emberfire
what did you expect? being a phd student essentially means pissing away your 20s and being a slave. i don't know how the guys saying they put in 20 hours a week anything done. the norm is 40+. the fob students in particular live in their labs, i guess because they don't want to go back to the shit apartments they rent.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Deadlyinx
PHD is less intense for the first few years I think. Masters is intense as hell from the start, or at least it was for me. PHDs, as said in this thread, tend to work 9-5 unless they have a paper or something due or writing their thesis. Masters is tough, but short.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@DeathDog
And they wonder why /pol is the way it is.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Methnerd
Ya and we all know bigotry is totally baseless, faggot

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@New_Cliche
Why, because of progress? Gosh, that is such a problematic regressive statement, you should really check your privilege.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@whereismyname
Wow, there you have it. Despite citing any of said data, niggers are just as smart as aryans. /sarc

iluvmen
iluvmen

@StonedTime
What is PhD life actually like?

The first thing I do when I wake up in the morning....

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@Emberfire

Well, I wouldn't say 80-hr weeks are the average, probably around 60+ or 70. But, they definitely happen.

Regardless, PhD students are on stipend (not paid hourly). It's supposed to be enough to get by, but you're not going to be saving for retirement.

@CouchChiller

The majority of biomedical research programs in the U.S. don't require a master's degree.

@CodeBuns
PhD less intense than master's.

LOL, no.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Nude_Bikergirl
arguing with a strawman
/pol/

eGremlin
eGremlin

@CouchChiller
I think in Europe it's mandatory for PhD students to have finished a MSc.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Sharpcharm
At my school masters students need to take 4 classes a semester, whereas PhD students take 3 + TA/Research Seminar (fluff 1 credit).

But masters students only need a C to pass their breadth qualifiers whereas we need an A-. So it's different.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@StonedTime
I'm doing a PhD in Pure Maths, in my 1st of 4 years atm. I try to work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week but ultimately all my time is spent reading, being in lectures and using pen and paper. If my mind isn't working then I'm shit out of luck for that day. I'm guessing that a PhD in something like maths though is completely different from a PhD in an experimental science like say Chemistry. Anyway, sometimes do more work like at the moment as I have coursework due sometime do less. Not at a US institution so my funding is not nearly as much as some here are saying they get. On the other hand teaching is limited to 4 hours a week and you don't have to do any if I don't want to. I enjoy it a lot, I like what I'm doing and I'm basically getting paid to be a student. What's not to like?

idontknow
idontknow

@Methnerd
Yes

People will claim to do 80 hours a week, when in reality you only need 40/week, maybe 50 to complete a PhD in normal time

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Stupidasole

I was trying to word it nicely, but I can just tell you they--a fair amount of the Japanese community--have a blatant prejudice on foreigners. This prejudice and mistrust of foreigners is shown throughout Japanese history, and the only significant difference is that Japanese society does a far better job at managing their people's emotions.

If you want an example this take a look at how Japanese community reacts when they are struck by a natural disaster comparatively to how the American community reacts.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@whereismyname
my ideal lifestyle is 6 hour work days because I have lots of shit i like to do (piano/guitar, vidya, naps, cook).. do you have time for naps bro

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@idontknow
is possible to do less if you're extremely efficient? can you take naps at 3pm?

happy_sad
happy_sad

@whereismyname
in my 1st of 4 years
lmao

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@TechHater
Gonna buy a house with girlfriend
what was your undergrad major? JUST Studies?

Snarelure
Snarelure

@DeathDog
You are going to have to start accepting a certain level of multiculturalism

that's where you're wrong, kiddo.

Look Tojo, your country is one of, if not the most technologically advanced countries/country on Earth and offers a vast amount of publications.
with no help from niggers

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

CompE here, looking for an area to pursue a PhD in.

I can either try the physical side of things (Silicon Photonics) or software (Networks, Parallel & Distributed Computing).

Which area is less competitive for grad school? I want to be able to make it into a program in the first place.

I know all the smart guys head into ML/AI, for what its worth.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Emberfire
why didnt you go to med school

Techpill
Techpill

@PackManBrainlure

embedded systems, computer arch, robotics, vlsi, fpgas. theres lots of cool shit. don't go with the software shit, you are doing compE for a reason. be a boss and go hardware

I know all the smart guys head into ML/AI, for what its worth.
who the fuck told you that?

Illusionz
Illusionz

@eGremlin
I'm in med school in Sweden, it is not like that here.
At my university, med students can apply for PhD funding after finishing year 3 (med school is 5.5 years in Sweden).

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Techpill
They say at departments like MIT and Stanford ML and AI get more applications and have a smaller acceptance rate than virtually other area. Makes sense since those fields are such a meme these days.

Conversely, it also seems that ECE shit is dead these days. That includes things like embedded, comp arch, VLSI. Most of the faculty in those areas at my university abandoned their old fields for meme ones like Data Science or whatever.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Would it be possible to go into industry for a while and then pursue a PhD later in life? I'm EE/Physics right now and want to know if getting accepted would be harder or if I'd have to retake undergrad courses.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@VisualMaster
There is certainly a big hiring push for professors with "big data" or "cybersecurity" and shit, but that is mostly for CS

ECE will never die and is usually a separate department. I personally know professors who do all those things and more

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@Emberfire
$28k/year is actually almost double the average PhD stipend from my experience

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@ZeroReborn
Name one worthwhile job you can get with no additional training... PhDs are worthless

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@StonedTime

Over half of the PhDs drop out.

It's not like school/undergrad. You don't have guarantees, and you don't have someone telling you what will bring you success/failure.

TechHater
TechHater

@CouchChiller
you don't have someone telling you what will bring you success/failure.

Well, not explicity, but you can glean some valuable insight through your more trustworthy colleagues. Now more than ever is the time to start investing in friendships.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

How important is the schools ranking? If it's below middle tier, is there a point?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Help me Veeky Forums. I am specializing in a small area of my field, and have found what appears to be a contradiction that will have pretty big implications, much larger than the said small area I'm working on. I've been sitting on this for like five months and I've been constantly revising and reading more to make sure I didn't fuck up royally somehow and it looks like it's good but god fucking dammit if I did fuck up my career's over, I don't know how I would recover. I got one professor to check it out but he's /really/ not reliable and I have no one else I trust who can help. What's your last advice I should follow to make sure I'm in the clean?

WebTool
WebTool

smart anons, please explain to an old bonehead like me:

What is "research"?
What do you mean you work 40 hours a day? doing what?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@WebTool
What do you mean you work 40 hours a day? doing what?

Yes, PhD research is easily translated into layman terminology.

I mean, after all, anyone who spends 2 seconds half-assing trying to pretend to understand is obviously going to comprehend.

Yes, yes. You have brought up the excellent point that PhD work is all child's play for a person so great as yourself Mr. Bonehead.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@kizzmybutt

but god fucking dammit if I did fuck up my career's over, I don't know how I would recover

I'm not a PhD or anything, but I fail to see how it could destroy your career if it's such a big deal. If you're really worried, you could pass it around anonymously along with some hashes, and if it turns out it's good stuff, you simply release the keys to those hashes to prove it was you (put like 5-10 with one of the harder hash algorithms to crack and there's no fucking way on Earth anyone will be able to call into question it was your work).

Flameblow
Flameblow

@SniperWish
you have to show at least some passion in what they're passionate about
I can never do this without looking artificial.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@eGremlin
Not in the UK mate. If you are good enough, you can skip Masters.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Stupidasole

The differences are in research. MS degrees are coursework-driven, students take their classes for the year or two of the degree. In some programs, PhDs do have less classes. (It really depends on discipline. I've found most engineering programs have the same classes, whereas most science programs have less coursework requirements.) But, PhDs have research rotations + qualifying exams + years of research for the thesis.

@Stupidasole

A few reasons. My interests in biology did not align with medicine. Basically, I would rather study biological systems/pathways from a chemistry- and physics-based approach. Also, I didn't want to treat patients. I much enjoyed the process of doing research, and even the physical act of doing experiments, instead of being in the clinic. Plus, I think that the financial benefits of a career in medicine are overstated. Compensation for doctors has been decreasing and, when combined with loans for med school and additional years of training, I didn't think it was worth it to jump through all of those hoops for something that I really didn't want to do. I would rather go for a big payday by climbing the ladder in industry.

@VisualMaster

Most of NIH-funded biomedical research programs tend to be better funded and can offer more competitive stipends. Anywhere from low-20s to low-30s, depending on cost of living in the area and health/status of the program.

@BunnyJinx

Not tremendously important, in general, for academia or industry R&D. Your advisor's name and reputation and your publications will go farther in getting a post-doc or scientist position in industry R&D. IMO, where the school's ranking matters for those who want "non-traditional" careers in other fields. That's where people will be blown away by the PhD from Harvard, because it's from Harvard.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@StonedTime
PhD physics here, experimental
turn up to uni around 10:30am
design parts for the experiment in CAD
go see if the workshop can make them
go into the lab
see how my colleagues have fucked something else up
try to get my head around some new setup they've made
can't get space to do the optics experiments I wanted to do
go to the soldering room and build some electronics
debug the stuff that inevitably doesn't work
get it fixed
colleagues have changed the experiment again
now like 8pm
home
maybe eat some shit
weed
existential crisis engaged
sleep
repeat for 4 years

Not all days are that bad, but most days are like that

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@eGremlin
UK PhD here - only did a BSci before

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Anyone have advice for not burning out as a PhD? I'll be starting this year and I felt like I nearly burnt out during honours.

idontknow
idontknow

@Sir_Gallonhead
time off man, take it

don't stay late as a matter of course - your productivity decreases as the day goes on so even basic things just take longer and longer. Go home and come back the next day afresh and you'll smash your problem in like 30mins rather than 4hours.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

mfw you realize all the faggots who shitpost about engineering/CS being brainlet degrees are ITT whining about their 35k/year stipend and dead-end lab tech job
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

DeathDog
DeathDog

@CouchChiller
If your advisor isn't garbage they are the ones who should be keeping an eye on your progress. They're the ones paying you after all.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@Sir_Gallonhead
Are you doing rotations? If so, talk to the current grad students and postdocs and get a feel for the lab culture. If everyone is working twelve hour days six or seven days a week, stay the fuck away from that lab.

Your professor is provably going to load you up with a lot of projects at first and it's going to seem overwhelming. They do that because it's insurance, they want to make sure you have at least one or two projects that will succeed. They also do it because they finally have another hand to do projects they wanted done but everyone else was busy. Don't worry though, you will drop some of those projects as they turn out unfruitful or too difficult. Keep your head down for a bit and you'll get through.

Be upfront with your PI about expectations. Before you even start the rotation, ask about what they want in terms of meetings, time in lab, output, etc.

Ask about funding! Don't feel awkward about asking. It's public information anyway how many grants people have. Don't rotate in a lab that doesn't have the money to take students.

Don't rotate in a lab just for "learning a skill". Take one rotation in a competitive lab that's your dream lab amd then find two more that you'd be satisfied working in and don't have anyone else rotating that year.

likme
likme

@Boy_vs_Girl
the 300k salary sounds more implausible to me

RumChicken
RumChicken

hey anyone doing a PhD in Australia? How's the shit over there? Gonna start one in Melbourne in hopefully a couple of months

Illusionz
Illusionz

@Emberfire
Lol how much were you expecting? You are getting free tuition, free health, dental, vision insurance, you are earning an advanced degree, and they are paying you enough to live and do a few enjoyable things if you have time. 30k is fine. Undergrads seem to think living on anything less than 100k starting is bullshit for some reason. Lower your expectations or they're going to be lowered for you.

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