What books will help me understand that the alt-right and /pol/ is not right on...

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

What books will help me understand that the alt-right and /pol/ is not right on every issue and that Western society is not being cucked or the whole cucked dilemma is retarded?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Burnblaze
Basically I'm asking to be de-redpilled. From my understanding you all think /pol/ is filled with idiots.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Nick Land has the most sober critiques of the alt-right. Everything else is generally overheated pearl-clutching

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Karl Marx (German Ideology, Grundrisse, Capital)
Guy Debord (Society of the Spectacle)
Michel Foucault (Discipline and Punish, History of Sexuality)
Benedict Anderson (Imagined Communities)

You are getting cucked, you just don't know by whom.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Burnblaze
Nazi ideology has been critiqued endlessly. Just kills yourself if you're so weak that you're seduced by 'the Joos did it all, without the Jews there'd be no sex in the media, no women would have sex with blacks, and there'd be no immigration or feminism'

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Burnblaze

The only really good criticism of the alt-right is from people to the right of them.

The alt-right is populist and fundamentally modernist.

FastChef
FastChef

@Emberfire
This. Nick Land is correct, as he is an ex-Marxist he has explained the logical conclusion of liberal capitalism, which is Dark Enlightenment. Nick has just saved time and skipped to the end.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@StonedTime
/pol/ isn't really nazi ideology.

@BlogWobbles
Those books don't show that /pol/ is not, just that it isn't sufficiently right. Superficial if you will.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@StonedTime
It's not nazism though. And I don't think the jews are behind everything that's more of a /pol/ joke but what the "jews" are supposedly doing to society is a real thing it's just not the jews it's really the left. They are forcing everyone to cower down to their perceived moral superiority when issues such as open borders are not a matter of virtue signaling but serious public discourse.
@BlogWobbles
Karl Marx
Isn't communism a pretty selfish ideology though? Isn't it selfish to think that just by breathing and living one is entitled to the labor of others. Shouldn't the capitalist that gained their money on their own accords own the means of production?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BinaryMan
You mean the French New right/GRECE? I must say they are really fascinating. Like a /pol/tard that would have read all of @BlogWobbles

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

@Burnblaze
/pol/ is always right. sorry

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@BunnyJinx
The ones who run everything are rich and powerful capitalists. Open borders, immigration, and political correctness are in the logic of 'late' capitalism.

Supergrass
Supergrass

@BunnyJinx
None of the books mentioned on Karl Marx are about Communism. They mostly focus on Capitalism and a bit on Feudalism.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Get off of Veeky Forums for a month and read anything. Minorities, queer, classics, poetry, anything.

You already know you are wrong so just give yourself time and expose yourself to a variety of thought.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

@Emberfire
@BinaryMan
@FastChef
These anons get it.

But still, you can't "de-/pol/ yourself". You can't climb out of the rabbit hole, you can only go deeper and hope you find an exit.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Fried_Sushi
This and read Ulysses

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@BunnyJinx

Shouldn't the capitalist that gained their money on their own accords own the means of production?

The argument is partially about whether that is even a valid assessment of how capital is accrued. But Marx is just one school of socialism/anti-capitalism. Most modern anti-capitalists are going to be reading from multiple old sources and building a composite critique, so how you go about arguing that capitalism is not preferable to something else is dependent on what matters to the individual. Some people care about "society", and think that capitalism holds back society from whatever. Scientific achievement or something. Other people think capitalism doesn't fulfill human needs adequately and don't care about property rights on the basis of things like who produced what. In fact, I'd think a lot of socialists and commies these days really don't give a shit about who worked for what, since it's hard to even discern that when everybody does bits and pieces of work to produce many goods and services.

girlDog
girlDog

You'll realise it soon enough as these altright retards are already plaguing every comment section of every website they get their hands on.

Soon the altright shall become the new SJWS and a new left will be born. Such is the cycle.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@BinaryMan

People to the right of them don't care if they die in a ditch while cyborgs do some crazy shit we aren't capable of. Or they just say something like that is inevitable.

I can see why that isn't too exciting for people who aren't going to be the future master species.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@girlDog
Demographic trends in Western countries aren't cyclical; it is a historically unprecedented and dead downward trend for whites. The alt-right isn't going away, you can't ask people to simply ignore their race consciousness. It's going to get bigger, more obnoxious, and feel more and more justified as whites are further displaced and persecuted in the media until finally the movement erupts in violence.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@BunnyJinx
And I don't think the jews are behind everything that's more of a /pol/ joke but what the "jews" are supposedly doing to society is a real thing it's just not the jews it's really the left.
Tell that to all the Jewish Community Centers in Florida, Tennessee, Maryland, South Carolina, Delaware, Georgia, New Jersey, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania which are receiving bomb threats. Since Trump was elected, there's been a major increase in threats and vandalism of Jewish property across the US.

You might not believe the jew conspiracies on /pol/, but by continuing it, and downplaying it, you make /pol/ a place where such theories can flourish and are believed by many. It's all just a joke, except that a ton of people on there take it 100% seriously and call in bomb threats.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@kizzmybutt
It's going to get bigger, more obnoxious, and feel more and more justified as whites are further displaced and persecuted in the media until finally the movement erupts in violence.

Then why won't the media acknowledge this inevitability and back off of them and give them some breathing room?

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Sir_Gallonhead
Because the media doesn't particularly care about anything besides revenue, attention, and maintaining a progressive morality

5mileys
5mileys

@BlogWobbles
The answer to /pol/ is /leftypol/
When will you realize both those and the status quo are deadwrong?

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Supergrass

This, but the people in the media generally don't give a shit because they're all rich or trying to get those positions in the media machine that will make them rich. Alternative and internet media is mostly populist and agitating for something, because those people frequently started with or have an ideology of some kind. The establishment may think it gives a shit, but the ideology of media elites is just the current form of elitism. They want to be the most successful, most popular people. They'll rationalize that they're actually great people, but they're almost always moderate warriors for the establishment. Virtue signalling is a useful concept for understanding a lot of their behavior. If any of these people actually became politicians instead of just being on TV, I bet they'd drop any anti-establishment convictions they may think they hold for more "pragmatism".

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Start with the greeks

RavySnake
RavySnake

Define "alt-right" and "/pol/".

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@RavySnake
White nationalism with women in the kitchen

DeathDog
DeathDog

@RavySnake
General distrust of leftist narratives. Refusal to succumb to white shaming. Having a nationalistic pride that one is unashamed of and unwillingness to give into globalist pressures such as open borders policies.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@CouchChiller
t. reddit nu-male

FastChef
FastChef

@RavySnake
@DeathDog
Also, not succumbing to degenerate behaviors that are sponsored by mainstream and social media. These include sleeping around, excessive drug usage, and disrespecting traditional family values.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@RavySnake
conspiracy theories, "trolling" and "memes"

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

all these utopianist political plebs
Don't you understand that the only thing you can count on in the world is your self and your struggle? Politics is for people too stupid to do something themselves.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@DeathDog
Seems pretty sensible to me.

Anyway, to answer OP's original question, zhe should try reading the Guardian.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

@BinaryMan
Prove me wrong. We thrived with women taking care of children and races were separate. It's biological and evolutionary programmed into us. Women clean and cook and take care of kids and men create and take part in politics and art. We are also programmed to hate other tribes and we can't identify as much with those with darker colors.

Also, so you seriously believe women aren't more miserable now than, say, 200 years ago?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Burnblaze
you can pretty easily de-/pol/ yourself by just going out into the real world and seeing it's not at all as they frame it to be. they certainly have some valid points but their worldview is ridiculously skewed.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Stark_Naked
inequality is better than equality
Would you show your mother this thread? Holy shit go outside

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Stark_Naked

lol'ing at your lyfe right now.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Emberburn
once you have taken the red pill there is no going back just accept reality for what it is user

takes2long
takes2long

@FastChef
How middle-class.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Boy_vs_Girl
Pic related is you

massdebater
massdebater

@Booteefool
Taking care of your child and cleaning up after yourself is sexist
Only child detected.

Inmate
Inmate

@Stark_Naked
When?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@massdebater
women need to have children
women need to take care of their children
women need to cook and clean
Go back to /pol/ with this sexist bullshit

Techpill
Techpill

@RavySnake
Define "alt-right" and "/pol/"
A loose group of people with various radical to extreme rightwing ideologies
The only ideology that they share is dislike of conservatives, the left and globalism

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Deadlyinx
need
need
need
You're the only person using that word user.

My diagnosis? mummy issues.

Emberfire
Emberfire

@CouchChiller

Sounds good to me.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Burnblaze
The only answer is to read deep into philosophy (original sources) and history

@BunnyJinx
Isn't communism a pretty selfish ideology though? Isn't it selfish to think that just by breathing and living one is entitled to the labor of others. Shouldn't the capitalist that gained their money on their own accords own the means of production?
What's wrong with being selfish? People should look out for their own interests.
Capital was already largly socialized by private means with the ascendency of the corporate form of enterprise at the beginning of the 20th century in the advanced countries. "Private ownership" of capital is largly just a formality today and is only hampering general development and harming the community at large by profiting by outsourcing jobs and cutting everyone's living standards by not having to pay for the social costs they create.
Communism is a utopian pipe dream but any general positive development under the system that exists today is coming to an end.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@LuckyDusty

Of course people should look out for their own self interest, and that means discarding the cancer of Communism and shabbos untermensch philosophy in general.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@LuckyDusty
Communism is garbage because it puts everybody on the same plane even though some people are simply inherently better than others.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@CodeBuns
No it puts them in the relatively same plane, you could have 10x the wealth of a lazy or stupid person but not 100000x times the wealth.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Luke 10:25-37
James 2
The Kingdom of God is Within You - Tolstoy

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@whereismyname
That's still bad. It stifles progress and individualism. No great art can be produced under communism.

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