Any climate scientists here who can explain how fucked are we?

Any climate scientists here who can explain how fucked are we?
Is this like "a few million 3rd world people die, but otherwise we are fine"?
Or more like "Billions of dead, collapse of global community"?

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nytimes.com/2017/06/26/climate/carbon-in-atmosphere-is-rising-even-as-emissions-stabilize.html
nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n6/full/nclimate1559.html
nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n6/full/nclimate1447.html
nature.com/nature/journal/v478/n7370/full/478477a.html
science.sciencemag.org/content/334/6055/456
nature.com/articles/ncomms14845
youtu.be/9_WHQkPrhjg
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depends on time scale

first has already happened

second, about 2050

It's not a matter of how fucked we are, it's a matter of how much it's going to cost us in order to relatively un-fuck ourselves. We will need to build the necessary infrastructure to accommodate rising water levels and protect residential areas from increasingly frequent and more violent weather events. The more we let things get out of hand, the more expensive that is going to be.

>a few million 3rd world people die
People are already dying, as people do, but the larger consequence (for the west) is the fact that people from 3rd world countries are going to need to relocate. Climate is already the biggest determinant of (economic) migration. Europe especially already dealing with the fallout. The ironic part here is that those who tend to be anti migration also tend to be against combating climate change.

>Billions of dead
The people who will die are the ones who cannot afford to deal with the above mentioned consequences. Quite tragically, those tend to be the people in 3rd world countries, which have contributed relatively little to the initial problem.

>collapse of global community
The economic consequences of global cataclysmic events, even if they are gradual, is the flow of capital to richer economies (because it reduces risk). Again, 3rd world and developing economies will suffer from this. But in the long term, I think the west will be judged by how it accommodates those who are less fortunate in the present.

You're trying too hard to bait.

I wish I was baiting.

This analysis is too political

It is political because the consequences of the problem depend on political choices. It's not as simple as either we're fucked or we aren't. There are various scenarios with vastly disparate outcomes.

a few billion 3rd world people die, but otherwise we are fine

Close the borders. Increase arms. Have a 20 year disarmament pact. Make sure prosperous economies can continue functioning with minimal international trade. Get another Republican on the Supreme Court. Continue subsidizing alternative energy sources. Drill in Alaska. I hope billions of third worlders die.

And I'm glad you're not in charge of the planet.

No it's much better if those people create hysteria before analyzing the needs of their people

The biggest threat to man is putting someone or some political entity 'in charge of the planet'.
As fossil fuels deplete through this century so will our enormous populations. This is not a problem but a period in time when abundance in a natural resource led to an abundance in population, that is all. Earth is fine. Fuck this new age carbon rationing religion, you are all confused virtue signaling posers.

until there going to be much more un-fucked self's on different's areas... but until un-fuckd going to happ'n. lets go mountais smoke crack with binos to check some areas need help. Yeah, there will be sun. sure. i saw it yeasterday crying under chirstmas tree.

if anything, that's too lame

the world is always less than a year away from starvation, just a few failed crop seasons and all hell will break loose, there will be that few billion of angry young men that will refuse to starve to death without a fight

>billions of third worlders
you do realize they have nukes too?

>Billions of dead, collapse of global community
That's not going to happen.

Only America would let things get that bad and fortunately we have the EU and China to look to for global leadership.

>The biggest threat to man is putting someone or some political entity 'in charge of the planet'.
I agree.
>This is not a problem but a period in time when abundance in a natural resource led to an abundance in population, that is all.
Resources are plentiful. The problem is the kind of resources that we rely on, because those are indeed very limited. Wanting to purposefully create (political) instability across the globe through preventing progress in the search of alternative resources, until current resources run out, is just about the dumbest thing you can do. It boggles the mind how someone can think that won't affect us too.
>Earth is fine.
No shit Sherlock.
>Fuck this new age carbon rationing religion, you are all confused virtue signaling posers.
Fuck this new age social Darwinism, you are all unqualified and backward contrarians.

How many posts ago were you saving the social Darwinism line?

The truth is "we can cultivate more land and feed more people."

If you own property far away from the equator and more that ~30ft above sea level, global warming stands to be a very lucrative financial opportunity for you and not much else. Yes its a problem and it will surely disrupt the food chain a bit but life is resilient and will adapt to whatever situation it finds itself in. Pollution of our air resulting in higher rates of respiratory illness is what should really worry people.

This is a false flag, fake concern thread. Remember to sage and report

The first has already happened. No one cares.

Maybe they'll start caring when migration from the Third World REALLY heats up.

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we're completely and totally fucked. natural climate balancers are dying off. it simply isn't enough to reduce carbon emissions.

I prefer this level of fatalism to the "we might be able to solve the problem just give us more power" kind. Both are flawed perspectives.

That's dubs

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GET GET FUCKING GET COMPLETELY WASTED
LETS SEE THE OTHER GET

>I hope billions of third worlders die.
They'll just geoengineer. And freeze canada in the process.

India can do it today, so can fucking bangladesh. By 2050 even more so.

this

also i don't get how people think it will somehow magically stop in 2100

Underrated

I think it's funny you actually believe the liberals who say the Muslim inundation of Europe is due to climate change. It's not.

Everything else in your post is pure speculation. 200 years ago, a population of 6 billion was unthinkable, and we're well past that with plenty of resources to spare.

youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=57m

>It's not.
ooooh convincing

2 out of 3 australians develop some form of skin cancer because australia is close to ozone depleted antarctic
stopping the disintegration of the ozone layer saved millions from skin cancer in the US alone, but let's do nothing about climate change even though the cost of doing something about it is lower than the cost of the consequences

lmao
i know, i know
climate engineering being so easy and accessible, yet volatile and dangerous is frankly scary

Do you honestly think it's "climate change" or the political climate?

>I think it's funny you actually believe the liberals who say the Muslim inundation of Europe is due to climate change.
>believe
I think it's funny that you mongoloids seem to think that this is a matter of belief rather than a matter of empiricism. Wat are you even doing on this board?

Given enough time humans, and most macrofauna will not be able to exist. Life will continue in the form of plants, microbes, perhaps a few very very small animals.

good GET

actually kind of true

It's the general increased drought of the subtropics, when Turkey build a dozen dams in the late 2000's, it cut off the Tigris-Euphrates river system, fucking up Syria's and Iraq's agriculture. Google it.
This was the straw that broke the camels back - the arab spring was the spark that blew up Syria.
You're fucking naive if you think they suddenly started swooning about democracy like a bunch of california hippies. It was hunger, failed farms & loads of 20-30y unemployed men who could make a buck for their families by joining AQ and ISIS etc.

I believe you're right about all of those things. It still comes at a cost to the European people. Their politics allowed their situation.

Its fucking over for us as far as a normal life on this planet goes.
We are already seeing the feedbacks kick in such as increasing wildfires, loss of Arctic albedo, methane seeps in the arctic and in shallow ocean clathrates. At 2 degrees, which we will reach by 2025, there will be no stopping hundreds of millions of dead. Worldwide crop failures, infastructure collapsing due to heat, rising sea levels killing off farmland. If you live in certain places you might as well be dead already. Even in first world countries, times will get tough. By 2100, the current standard of living in somewhere like Paraguay will be considered first world due to the consequences.

Geo-Engineering is the only thing that can delay complete extinction. And even then, it won't happen until millions have already perished, until life have been unchangeable altered from the path we wanted for this species. Economies will crash, poverty will skyrocket. Even geoengineering can't completely stop things like rising sea levels. We will never become a space faring race. Never achieve fusion. Never see a new Timesplitters game. Never meet aliens. Our 'future' is a few centuries of ever increasing geoengineering, becoming less and less effective as the feedbacks overwhelm the amount of aerosols we can pump into the atmosphere. Eventually the warming will resume faster than ever and the planet will see another Permian extinction.

If you are under the age of 30, you have a right to be fucking furious about this. The scum generation before ours and the one before that has doomed us. They knew about this in the fucking 1970's and did nothing. As soon as we have a blue ocean event, mark my word, I will become the Elliott Rodger of climate change. Not a single coal burning world roasting slut will withstand my assault.

And if the shit hits the fan who the fuck are you going to be mad at?

>We are already seeing the feedbacks kick in
nytimes.com/2017/06/26/climate/carbon-in-atmosphere-is-rising-even-as-emissions-stabilize.html

>By 2100, the current standard of living in somewhere like Paraguay will be considered first world due to the consequences.
HERE"S THE BEST PART NIGGA
THE CLIMATE WONT SUDDENLY STOP CHANGING IN 2100

LMAO XDDDD MAGA FUCK TEXAS AND CALIFORNIA

boomers - they deserve ebola

Jokes on you then

lalalallala can't hear you

>nytimes.com/2017/06/26/climate/carbon-in-atmosphere-is-rising-even-as-emissions-stabilize.html
>the amount of carbon dioxide that people are pumping into the air
>seems to have stabilized in recent years, at least judging from the data
>that countries compile on their own emissions
Those data are untrustworthy, because oil and natural gas production and coal mining
have all continued to increase worldwide, and nearly-all of it gets burned.

We are all going to die unless we make a socialist democratic revolution.
#March4Progress

>Never see a new Timesplitters game.
kek

I didn't say agw is false. I said that you're a fucking gullible retard if you think climate change is responsible for the Europe mass migration. It because of a civil war.

anybody have any info on post 2100 climate predictions

all i can find is sea level rise of 3-5 meters by 2300 - there has to be more than that
oh and extrapolating from these curves

>I didn't say agw is false.
I never said you did. But you do seem to think that the cause(s) for migration is (are) subject to belief.
>I said that you're a fucking gullible retard if you think climate change is responsible for the Europe mass migration.
OK buddy. We can go back and forth a while but I'll save us both the trouble and post some actual papers, since you're too fucking retarded to look up actual numbers.

nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n6/full/nclimate1559.html
nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n6/full/nclimate1447.html
nature.com/nature/journal/v478/n7370/full/478477a.html
science.sciencemag.org/content/334/6055/456

That is a very impressive pali as well.

nature.com/articles/ncomms14845

all complex life is doomed because of us.

Does anyone else here feel guilt? I do not think I deserve to feel this way, but I can't so much as look a fucking moth in the eye without wanting to apologise.

Pic related - It is my climate apology spreadsheet. Basically I have a list of animal and plant species I want to apologise to. It is quite extensive and I hope to apologise to as many as possible before we destroy ourselves.

Why does everyone think humans are fucked because the Earth lost its coastline? It'll be knocked back to early industrial to late renaissance technology-wise, even though it'll come to a huge loss of standard of living. If someone preps properly and sets his family and friends up (Watermill, saving of science textbooks for basic concepts, books on subjects like smithing, farming, construction, making bows, gunpowder, etc.) he could jump start his family's raise as a feudal lord and king with a shitty factory, protecting a bunch of farmers in exchange for their food, loyalty, and bodies for whatever threat that might come.

Biggest threat will be diseases returning.

holy SHIT

If water level rises doesn't that mean that more rivers will form and we will have access to more water?

I feel exactly the same.


Every time I wake up I'm wrought with guilt when I remember what other humans are doing to mother nature.


I truly hate humanity almost as much as I hate my dad for cheating on my mom and abandoning us and never even sending me even a single letter despite pretending to be a good dad before that.


We are a virus and we must understand that, that is the reason why I've decided to castrate myself and start taking female hormones despite not being transgender - I hate the manly bravado that represents everything that is wrong with our world and is responsible for the ecological catastrophe we are in.

Reminder climate change fear is a form of supreme idiocy. The reaction is worse than what climate change will do.

/mlpol/ plz go

Science is based on very simple principles. Yes, you can figure out that carbon in the atmosphere can be linked to temperatures, which melts ice etc

That simple pattern is like 1 function. The future is determined by an immense number of various functions. The problem with climate change fear (emphasis fear) is that it ignores every other function that determines the future, most of which we don't understand.

The idea that science can predict what will happen in 2100 based entirely on carbon being put back into natural cycles is just not plausible. Even if we had an amazing climate model based on carbon ppm it would not be enough to scientifically predict 2100.

This is the major problem with arguments for extreme climate change fear mongering. They also don't solve the practicality problem of implementing their fixes. AKA even using government control we can only somewhat reduce carbon emissions at a faster rate and that loss in economy has drawbacks too.

Also using solar power as an example is full of shit. Solar power 10 years ago was terrible compared to today. So even switching hard 10 years ago might have led to minimal gains. Not to mention China has been undercutting the world market due to not handling the waste properly thereby reducing costs and trying to dump them on the market.

rivers are caused by rainfall, user

Are you pretending?

This is why I'm moving to the moon or mars around 2030-2040.
>be in comfy underground moon or mars base
>a whole new world to explore
>only well educated people in village
>watch stream from earth about how the last civilized countries are being overrun by dindus

What do you think the economics will be like on the moon or mars? Private property?

Did elon musk's mars plan go into how the economy functions?

Think of it like an oilrig, no need for an economy when it's in reality a workplace, all will be provided.

But makes me wonder if there will be a salary or all volunteer work.
Maybe some money or points to buy stuff from earth and get it shipped.

>be me in 2040
>living on mars
>my whole new world to explore is this 50x50 m dome
>work like a nigger all day long to keep shit running
>40% chance of dying if venturing outside, still have to do it every day to clean the solar panels
>all the girls here are disgusting, forced diversity brought a lot of ugly nigresses, indians and chinks
>all vegan diet
>they pay us in pills
>no tv, no radio, they consume too much power
>slowest internet connection in the solar system
>last I heard from earth is that they're working on shipping thousands of dindus to mars
>very comfy

Yeah, I have a feeling the slice of humanity going to mars will be very strange.

I can already picture the first human to put a foot on mars being a negro or a woman, causing /pol/ to go insane because now they get to say WE WUZ MARZ AND SHIET for all eternity.

>be assigned to mars habitat 45
>it's the biological research station
>meet the new crew
>mfw 90% of them are qt girls in lab coats
>they're starving for new dick

>that same day the new negro crew arrives
>they're mostly criminals sent there to populate mars
>they set up their dome next to the qt girl headquarters
>that same night you can hear them having the first mandingo party on mars from your dome
>jerk off to their moans inside your capsule bed every night
>history mentions you as the first cuck on mars

Earth is brown
Mars is red (white)

>The biggest threat to man is putting someone or some political entity 'in charge of the planet'.
Why? If there was a legislative and executive power in charge of the entire globe, we could properly solve global crisis' such as global warming. If this has to be done through strong-armed tactics, so be it.

hahahah I love this

More access to salty water just kills crops and you can't drink it either

how is that a problem just filter our the salt and you have good water.

>we don't know everything
>therefore we can't know anything
nice try /mlpol/

Climate is a lot easier to predict than weather. Uncertainties are factored into models, which is why predictions are probabilistic rather than absolute.

Electrolysis requires a lot of power, user. Power that we may not be able to afford in a serious post Peak-Oil crisis.

Anyone can believe anything and you said migration of Muslims was due to climate change. That is not a fact. It is a belief. Therfore, you believe it is true.

Guess again

Fuck

>Anyone can believe anything
But facts are facts.

>you said migration of Muslims was due to climate change
I never said that. I said climate change is the biggest determinant of migration, and that statement is supported by the literature I cited.

>climate change is the biggest determinant of migration
>that statement is supported by the literature I cited
Not war, famine, over population, resource depletion, dictators and despots, liberal open door immigration and foreign worker programs or anything like that? Climate change?
I would be interested to see the "science" behind that conclusion.

>I would be interested to see the "science" behind that conclusion.
I've already posted the articles. If you were actually interested, you would have looked at them already instead of ignoring them. I'm done with this idiotic conversation.

How the fuck do we protect spent fuel pools in nuclear plants again sea level rise? Can you transport the fuel from the pools?

Literally none of those articles have anything to do with recent migration in europe. Shame on you for conflating the two.

>recent
who the fuck said anything about recent? I'm talking about, and have always been talking about, migration in general

climate scientist here.

nothing will happen.

fuck off back to

youtu.be/9_WHQkPrhjg
Global Warming alarmists from abc News predicted in 2008 that in 2015 we would have
(1) Coastal Cities like New York & San Francisco underwater in 2015
(2) Most of USA, Europe & Amazon Rain forest would become Deserts like Arizona in 2015.
(3) All North Pole Ice would melt in 2015.
(4) Hurricanes, Droughts, Fires....

The only thing Global Warming alarmists """predicted""" right is the Famines in Africa which happens everyday since Centuries ago.

THAT MAKES YOU THINK.

>from abc News
You cannot be this retarded

Literally every climate scientist is gonna say we're all dead in 50 years, 25 if their uber shills. Alarmism pays.

kek has blessed this post all hail.

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Look at the digits
Praise Kek

Yep

>by 2100
fuck off with your shitty tabloids

The media =/= climate scientists