Prove to me that this isn’t a valid online IQ test. It was designed by Ilona Jerabek, a psychometrician who did her postdoctorate at McGill University.
>Prove to me that this isn’t a valid online IQ test. Burden of proof is on you.
Lincoln Wood
>Taking rhetoric literally
The psychometrician has already proven it. The statistical summary is there to be read.
Brayden Gonzalez
>trying to boil intelligence down to a single number I seriously hope you guy don't do this.
Literally the only reason Veeky Forums has become obsessed with IQ is so that retards here can push the le smart but lazy meme. You can can completely fuck up at everything, drop out of school, and become a NEET, but you can still point to "b-but at least I have a big number for my IQ score."
Isaiah Price
>Literally the only reason Veeky Forums has become obsessed with IQ is so that retards here can push the le smart but lazy meme
And I seriously hope you don't think you can read minds.
g as a statistical regularity is well-established and uncontroversial among scientists.
Caleb Gray
Then why is it that MENSA members never accomplish anything?
David Butler
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Joseph Scott
> This classical IQ test measures several factors of intelligence, namely logical reasoning, math skills, language abilities, spatial relations skills, knowledge retained and the ability to solve novel problems. (Please note that it doesn't take into consideration emotional intelligence).
>she's a psychometrician who believes in emotional intelligence
Wyatt Parker
>she's a psychometrician who believes in emotional intelligence
I too watch Jordan Peterson lectures and would agree that EQ doesn't exist, but her opinions on EQ are irrelevant to the test in question.
You're all dodging the central question. None of you understand statistics well enough to actually critique the test.
Brody Wood
>None of you understand statistics well enough to actually critique the test. Do you understand statistics well enough to explain why the test is valid?
Parker Kelly
I got a 147. My SAT score would indicate an IQ of 125 or so. This seems massively inflated.
Anthony Smith
Why is the SD so fucking high? I tried the test and got 138. Is the time accounted for? I'm pretty fucking sure I busted the 30 minutes mark. Some of the early pattern problems were difficult for me, and the later problems required thought so it took time for me to do it. And there's one or two problems to which I didn't know the answer. I think this test is not rightly done, I should have gotten a much lower score, like around 110 or so.
Connor Miller
That's an "I know you are but what am I" tier retort, but the answer's yes. The test's Cronbach Alplha score of 0.91 shows it has high internal consistency and its Pearson's r scores show that it correlates strongly with the WAIS-R and the Stanford Binet. The sample size of 15,884 is very high- higher than the sample size of 4,800 used to standardize the Stanford-Binet. This suggests very high reliability.
Zachary Gutierrez
SAT no longer correlates to IQ. Unless if you took the test pre-1994.
Juan Fisher
I thought it still correlated about 0.8 or so.
In any case, there's no way I have an IQ that high. Maybe 130 if I'm lucky. I have only met one person in my life who might be pushing 150, and he got a perfect SAT score and learned calculus at age 12.
Cameron Brown
The test is supposed to take between 30-60 minutes, so it's fine if you went over 30. Stanford-Binet is supposed to take between 50-90 minutes, so you could conceivable do either test in under an hour. I'm not sure if time is accounted for.
The SD isn't particularly high. The Cattell IQ test is SD 24. It's not the SD or average IQ score on any particular test you should be looking at so much as it is that you should be looking at which percentile you fall in.
Also, just the fact that you were even able to take issue with the SD being somewhat high suggests your IQ is above 110.
>I have only met one person in my life who might be pushing 150
Only about one out of every 2,330 people has an IQ of 150 and about one out of every 1,157 people has an IQ of 147, so it's not as rare as you might expect.
William Collins
Got 135. Close to my MENSA score of 138. Those word problems were the hardest for me.
Gabriel Nelson
Well, the time is said to not be accounted for, but it says during the test, that the time is 30 minutes, which is why I asked the question. There's no way I could do this test in 30 minutes ; just reading some of the questions require time. I didn't take an hour, but still. It's just that internet tests often aren't legit, and I'm not an expert in IQ tests or anything, which is why I'm doubtful, especially since I had to write down some of the information the test provided, and the mental calculations took a while for me to do (not all, but some).
On another subject, anyone knows the answer to the first two questions? I didn't get the patterns at all.
Jaxson Stewart
I think Peterson said in one of his videos that he was 150 IQ, but that he was like 99th percentile in verbal reasoning, but that in numerical reasoning he was around like 80th percentile, maybe lower, though I don't remember the video all that well. I think it was his third lecture on biblical stories, maybe second.
Aiden Bennett
Also I got 99th percentile, which seems a bit high for me, especially since my main language isn't English, so the vocabulary section should be lower for me than others who have English as a primary language.
Henry Hernandez
147fag here. The first two questions are based on letters of the alphabet. I finished in just under 30 minutes, so it's possible time is accounted for.
Brandon Lewis
The percentiles Peterson mentioned were in reference to his GRE score, which fits closely with his stated IQ of 150 (about 148).
Christian Russell
You seem pretty fluent in English to me. It being a second language to you doesn't make much (if any) of a difference if you understand the questions.
Hudson Smith
I'm not familiar with GRE, but does that mean his verbal reasoning, is really high, considering his numerical reasoning is lower?
Ah. It makes sense for the second one. But what about the first?
And fair enough about the time. I didn't carefully look myself, but it just seemed close for me since I had to write down stuff.
Jaxon Hernandez
>It's just that internet tests often aren't legit
Agreed, which is why I'm calling this one out in particular- I've never before seen an online test that validated itself using a statistical summary.
Yes, ceiling effects may be preventing an accurate estimate of his verbal reasoning. Since the average GRE taker has an IQ of about 115, a 99th-percentile score suggests an IQ of 150 or so for that category. But since there are only 40 to 50 verbal questions on the GRE, if I'm not mistaken, his verbal IQ could register as much higher under a longer test.
Jose Kelly
Damn, a few points shy of 160. This was insultingly easy, but in line with my life history of near-flawless academic and career achievement.
Colton Price
I finished in under 30 minutes but I got a score of 134. Some of those questions seemed really ambiguous, so I ended up putting "I don't know" if I wasn't sure that I was being tested on "possibilities v. impossibilities" versus "what is true given the information", so I often said I don't know when I could have given a concrete answer.
Jordan Jackson
Clean your room, bucko.
Kayden Bailey
None of the syllogistic reasoning questions were ambiguous though. You should click false if you can think of any possible exception to the line of argument.
Lucas Harris
>I often said I don't know
The test has 57 questions. How many would you estimate you answered this way?
Does 134 seem wrong to you?
Kevin Thomas
I got 148 which is lower than the last time I was tested, but that was before I took drugs and drank my way through college.
Jason Parker
Man shit this test racist as a motherfucker. It say I got 85 and shit, but I click me all the answers. Ain't I get a few points for good luck? The fuck does God have a problem with me for?
Adam Clark
I don't think I answered any syllogistic questions like that, and they were pretty straightforward. Just some of the word questions like "it is possible that 4 people came back with 3 bags". I guess?
I ended up putting "I don't know" because you'd think an IQ test would be more deductive and less ambiguous than that. Maybe one person took more than their fair share. But why would they consume a doggie bag before they get home? What the fuck is a doggie bag? Is it full of candy or dogfood? Are any of the people retarded enough to eat dog food in the latter case? I usually wouldn't consider most of those scenarios possible. I ended up saying "I don't know".
Like about 4 maybe. 2 questions because I thought the wording was vague and I would have asked "I need more information about the person because I'm not getting into "possibilities". Another 2 I didn't answer because I didn't know the vocab words.134 sounds about accurate.
I don't know if the test is representative until I know relatively how much to adjust it by. It told me that I got a 50 on the matrices section, so I don't know how well that translates into spatial intelligence (and thus the overall intelligence score). I don't really think of myself as more than a half-decent spatial intelligence person, I usually consider myself to have good verbal intelligence, and I guess my logic reasoning is fine. The last time I was tested was in kindergarten, and I had a 130 IQ.
Jeremiah Diaz
130. Seems about right. I would guess the average on Veeky Forums is about 115. I seriously doubt many people below 100 come here.
Jack Gomez
How long did it take you do complete it?
Angel Roberts
114 masterrace
Bentley Collins
Also it turns out you're expected to do some of the problems with a calculator. Well, shit. That would have made things a lot easier than trying to do mental math on that NYC problem lol.
Gavin Turner
I mean, how many low or even average IQ people are going to be posting on a Science & Math image board on a Saturday night?
Oliver Perry
I know you're trolling about the doggie bag, but I seriously pity anyone who couldn't answer the vocab questions correctly. Anyone who doesn't know the antonym of vertiginous or the meaning of officious is sickeningly undereducated.
Adrian Thompson
I got 127 on this test and 129 on an official one a couple years ago. I am dumb as a rock, so I can't even imagine how people 3 SDs below me learn to drive cars, make money, etc. It boggles the mind.
Brody Reed
Well I understand Heidegger's Being and Time and I go to Princeton for undergrad so... well fuck I'm constantly reminded of the shame that I'll never have the classical liberal arts education that Princeton undergrads had a century ago.
Also I do remember I answered "I don't know" for whether somebody will go to the wedding or do their homework because of "will" and maybe they mean she can only do two activities at once.
Christopher Allen
I retook the test the way i was supposed to and got 141.
Joseph King
You know what would be interesting? Doing that critical thinking test released by Macat in partnership with the University of Cambridge.
Dylan Johnson
If you took your IQ test online, it's not valid. The importance of an IQ test is in its ability gauge your executive functions, and that can only be done when a licensed psychologist is doing the test.
Anyway, this article is pretty interesting and deals with the topic at hand.
The smart but lazy meme is the worst fucking meme in the world, if you are smart but lazy then you are trash because you have no excuses to be an ignorant mother fucker.
Brody Richardson
I'm jealous. I scored a standard deviation higher than you but I think you're smarter if you're in Princeton and understand Heidegger. It seems like you may have a slightly underdeveloped Theory of Mind, however, based on your difficulty grasping the implied constraints of certain questions. ToM is what lets you grasp what the test maker was most likely thinking when designing the test. I don't know if you have autism, but a high IQ and low ToM are more prevalent among such people.
Aiden Allen
>Well I understand Heidegger's Being and Time and I go to Princeton for undergrad
Nolan Hall
>The importance of an IQ test is in its ability gauge your executive functions
>Planning problem solving, and insight certainly correspond to psychological and even lay concepts of “intelligent behavior”. However, evidence for a relationship of intelligence tests to executive function measures is not strong. It is well known that frank frontal lesions do not impair IQ (Damasio & Anderson, 1993; Milner, 1982). The few studies that have examined psychometric intelligence and executive functions have been inconsistent. In several studies with adults, executive function measures were not substantially related to IQ (Donders & Kirsch, 1991; Johnstone, Holland & Larimore, 2000).
Zachary Evans
Well I'm pretty sure I have Aspergers, but I've never been diagnosed.
I was dumb enough to buy the report. I had some weird results, since I consider myself strong verbally and not so strong mathematically. Highest scores were always in history and philosophy, while I was always scared (but still somewhat competent) in mathematics. I was also surprised to see fluid above crystallized because my memory is probably my strongest asset.
The matrices section seemed obvious except for that second problem, don't know how I did poorly there but really well in the 2D/3D image manipulation, nor do I know what it entails. The analogies section was held back by the fact that I didn't know what most of (what I presume are tools) were. If the test took time into consideration, I think I would have scored higher considering I finished it in about 20-25 minutes or so.
This test is pretty heartening. I'm sure if I just keep using my brain, I'll be well equipped to tackle future challenges.
David Ward
I feel the same as you concerning the visual puzzles and mathematical stuff. I can't represent anything in my head, so I had to write it down to even start thinking about the problem.
Jace Moore
>But why would they consume a doggie bag before they get home? What the fuck is a doggie bag? Is it full of candy or dogfood? Are any of the people retarded enough to eat dog food in the latter case?
Jaxson Murphy
Seems way too high, or at least I self-percept as a brainlet
Luis Lee
>tfw too smart to accurately gauge my own intelligence
William Butler
This is almost surely incorrect. Anyway, if you're fap tempo corresponded this highly with IQ, then all you would need to do is measure that. Either it's a valid test or not. Being online doesn't mean it is or isn't.
Levi Martinez
>>tfw too smart to accurately gauge my own intelligence I was expecting at most like a 120, when I saw the 141 I thought it was one of those generic 'sample' graphs
James Reed
dasein or no dasein, that is the question. ikr?
Charles Hughes
Dunning-Kruger effect. You assume that which is easy for you is easy for everybody else, and thus underestimate your own intelligence.
Regardless, your anecdote doesn't matter. The test was standardized with a sample size of 15,884 people and has a strong statistical correlation (0.72) with Stanford-Binet. "Real" IQ tests are just about as long as this one, have the same types of subtests, and ask the same sort of questions.
Kevin Hall
pretty sure it's a scam
Xavier White
Yes... yes... buy the report that will tell you how intelligent and special you are... You'll have a license to act like Dr. House around people!
Blake Lewis
>"it is possible that 4 people came back with 3 bags." I guess? It's a retarded trick question. It's possible that there are only 3 people if you have a man, his son, and his son's son i.e. a grandfather, father, and son trio has 2 fathers and 2 sons. it's dumb and in no way a test of IQ imo
Angel Lopez
>Dunning-Kruger effect. You assume that which is easy for you is easy for everybody else, and thus underestimate your own intelligence. doesn't DK go the other way around?
Xavier Ortiz
Oh that makes sense. I never thought of it that way. Poorly designed question too because if it were attempting to be a riddle, 1) one might not have gotten that hint; and 2) one might have gotten it correct easily for the "wrong" reasons.
Nathaniel Edwards
Ya, actually you're right. What I described is the corollary to DK effect.
Easton Baker
What 'hint'?
Henry Morris
>I tested high on an IQ test that wants me to pay money to see a detailed report of my results, it's gotta be a scam >nvm that "real" IQ tests are paid for as well >nvm that this test has a detailed statistical summary validating itself as legit that anyone can critique
Jonathan Sullivan
for one thing, this test is voluntary, so there is no way to quantify non-response bias (which btw cannot be eliminated no matter your sample size). In layman terms, your data is shit and not publishable
Nolan King
The test was designed according to the American Psychological Association standards for educational and psychological testing. Test administration is tightly controlled for. Read about test administration and responses in the PDF below.
My score on this was fairly close to what I received a few years back. I won't say what my actual IQ is, because I doubt anyone will believe me. But this does seem accurate.
Daniel King
You're on an anonymous image board. Who cares what other people think.
What'd you get?
Connor Collins
155
Nathaniel Stewart
>McGill University
Literally what?
Jaxson Thomas
Noice.
What did you receive on the test you took a few years back?
Charles Price
Canadian Harvard
David Sanchez
>Standard Deviation = 18.67 What kind of wonky IQ test is this? A 140 is below 2SD.
Logan Baker
The mean is also 109.59.
Easton Rogers
>Acceptance rate: 46.3%
I guess Canada doesn't have a lot of top geniuses
Colton Richardson
Can anyone who bought their results post what they got? I got 144 and it looks like everyone else here got around the same.
Daniel King
Cattell is SD 24. IQ scores and percentiles vary from test to test, what matters is the percentile you fall in.
Average SAT and ACT scores among the average incoming student is very high though (2100 and 31, respectively).
From Wikipedia:
McGill counts among its alumni 12 Nobel laureates and 142 Rhodes Scholars, both the most in the country, as well as five astronauts, three Canadian prime ministers, 13 justices of the Canadian Supreme Court, four foreign leaders, 28 foreign ambassadors, nine Academy Award (Oscars) winners, 11 Grammy Award winners, three Pulitzer Prize winners, and 28 Olympic medalists, all of varying nationalities. Throughout its long history, McGill alumni were instrumental in inventing or initially organizing football, basketball, and ice hockey. McGill University or its alumni also founded several major universities and colleges, including the Universities of British Columbia, Victoria, and Alberta, the Schulich School of Medicine & Dentistry, the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, and Dawson College.
Anthony Phillips
>Average SAT and ACT scores among the average incoming student is very high though (2100 and 31, respectively). More like the Canadian version of Northwestern University, kek. There is no Canadian Harvard.
John Sanchez
Haha fair enough. It's a very good school though.
Asher Cook
I'm just shitposting. Don't give a fuck. They're all good universities and Ivy Leagues are overrated.
Josiah Morris
150, with SD15. I hit the score ceiling on a few of the subtests. My strength is definitely verbal tasks.
Carter Morgan
>IQ scores and percentiles vary from test to test
I meant average IQ scores and SDs vary from test to test.
Jaxson Cook
Anyone have a graph showing the percentiles with the respective IQs?
Hunter Reyes
Why the fuck would you even do a cronbachs alpha on more than 10 items, and that standard deviation is very large
John Flores
>tfw brainlet
Juan Rogers
That histogram really, REALLY doesn't fit a normal distribution.
Lucas Thomas
Neither do normal IQ tests, no matter how carefully normed. Social stratification combined with easy matching and migration via modern technology leads to lumpy assortative mating patterns.
Jaxson James
The huge SD gives it away.
Levi Kelly
It's only a few points above the usual SD of 15. Internet users who would take an IQ test are not part of the general population.
Jonathan Morgan
So why the fuck do they assume that it is normal then? Central limit theorems? That's not how they work. Fucking mathematically illiterate imbeciles, the lot of them.
Luke Gray
Ask me how I know you're a shill working at that site.
Jason Powell
How do you know he's a shill working at that site?
John Anderson
Intelligence doesn't follow a normal distribution. Few things in nature do. It just so happens that intelligence is close enough to a normal distribution that it can be factor analyzed and rank ordered with predictive validity.
Joseph Perry
nothing you do in your pseudoscience will have predictive validity, don't be silly
Nathaniel Roberts
The last page of the PDF shows a percentile breakdown. The 99th percentile is 144. So assuming a normal distribution with a mean of 109 and an SD of 15, 144 is exactly the IQ you would expect at that level. It seems the upper tail of this test matches the Stanford-Binet norms much more so than the 70-130 range, which is where you get the weird clumping and inflated SD.
Noah Johnson
Nice baiting.
Xavier Taylor
The SD of an IQ test result is artificial. It is fixed by design to a certain threshold after the test has been calibrated to some sample population. Where test takers then fall on it is another matter entirely.