If the greeks were so gay, why are all there love stories about a man and a women?

...have I been redpilled?

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go away Davis

As if you or anyone else here could demonstrate

I think there's something to be said about the feeling of dumping your seed in something that can actually get pregnant from you. We can all clearly only postulate from our own lack of experience, but I think that would be the fundamental difference.

That's all history is now. A bunch of memers reinterpreting the acts of the past to suit their own social agendas

Except for the fact that it's not true. Read a book

books are a tool of the jew

this sounds interesting, source?

woah...holy... i want more

Faggots are a modern invention. They didn't exist in Greece, and they didn't exist in Rome. Pretty much every 'gay' Roman and Greek had a spouse and children. Even those amongst the ancients that practised some same sex love would all be abhorred by today's standards of abandoning family and natural procreation.

>implying he didn't just make it up

don't be so gullible chump

I got banned from r/history for saying this

And thats bullshit.

Widespread male-male sex was fairly common in both, and was not seen as 'gay' so much as long as you were the penetrating partner.

But we know that actual romantic relationships existed between men in Roman times, primarily because we have the records of people doing what you're doing (i.e. whining about them).

It wasnt legal for them to marry, but apparently it wasnt unknown for male lovers to do a kind of unofficial version of the standard marriage rites around their friends. We know they did this because people wrote about it complaining.

(More laws started to be passed against male-male couples as christianity came in and started fucking everything up)

And as for Greece, fucking this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes

That was an entire military band made up exclusively of romantic gay couples, because the idea was that they would fight even better by the side of their beloved.

So yeah. I dont give much of a fuck about the gays, but i definitely give a fuck when someone who knows fuck all about history tries to pretend they do.

Your prose is so awkward, mechanical, and messy I had to put five times the mental effort I would put into an otherwise well-written text of the same size.

>clearly be the biggest fag on all of Veeky Forums right now
>like the chronicler king of the gays
>"i dont give much of a fuck"

he's right tho. nice trips

Someone who tries to rewrite history so they never get triggered by their existence probably cares about the gays way more than someone who wants history recorded correctly and is happy to let the gays go off and be gay out of his vision.

The latter does his own thing. The former gets caught in bathrooms with male escorts.

Well excuse the fuck out of me for not having majored in queer history. I'm more interested in strong black women of color.

Fair enough.

Also, I think i'd accept being "Chronicler King Of The Gays" if they were the greek kind of gay. I.e. armed to the teeth.

I dont even give a shit. That's a cool sounding title. At least at first glance.

Anyway, faggots are part of human nature. Always have been, always will be. You can argue that its wrong if you like, and more power to you if you can think up a logical argument for that. That's not my fight. But history sort of is.

But if you want to read more queer history, here's Roman Emperor Elagabalus.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus

If you think gays today are some kind of sign of the decay of all moral values in modern times, tThis guy is like if South Park's Mr Slave became Emperor.

Dude prostituted himself for fun, wore makeup everywhere and offered money to anyone who could give him female genitalia.

By all accounts, he was quite a fag.

You're on a fucking roll, man. That's the power of the King.

>why are all there love stories about a man and a women
That's absolutely false and it proves you're a FUCKING PLEB

You're a goddamned idiot, m8. History shouldn't be a tool by which you confirm your ideological biases. Read a book before you post again, or literally just Google the things your taking about.

There are hundreds of articles on jstor and Google scholar on ancient sexuality. You have no excuse to be so ignorant besides laziness.

If you, op, or anyone else in the thread really cares for the answers they would read "Greek Homosexuality" by Dover. Really interesting read that covers, in my opinion, this topic extremely thoroughly.

and it has also been thoroughly criticized in academia for selectively omitting research that suggests that actual romantic homosexual love did exist in ancient Greece

All my subjects keep asking if they can help clean my Crown Jewels.

They keep waggling their eyebrows when they ask.

Help.

to be fair, most sources to Elagabalus are from his detractors and do not paint him in a positive light

You are talking about wikipedia pages. Your hundreds of fake history articles are not even existing. The picture they paint is actually much closer to what I described. And when you go with actual sources, with Tacitus, Livy, Euripides... the ones on which all the modern fake assumptions are based, you can quickly draw your own conclusions. Than people are pushing faggotry into your brains that never existed. Go with sources and you'll see that world was painted for you.

>and was not seen as 'gay' so much as long as you were the penetrating partner.
And the person that was on the receiving end told everyone he got penetrated?Or did they only fuck slaves and little boys?

epic dude

That is true, and its always the problem with old history. A lot of the time we only know about someone because someone took the time to complain about them, but they could be doing so in a very biased way.

Nero gets this. We have lots of stories about how he was an insane tyrant, yet indications are the actual empire did pretty well under him. So if he was an awful emperor he at least had little effect on the empire economically.

In greece at least they mainly fucked younger men/boys, who were then expected to grow out of it around the time they started developing proper body hair. Those who continued this into adulthood would have been mocked.

OP is trolling. The Greeks saw the human body as beatifull espically the male form in a different sense of modern definition of"beauty"
A non sexual , a more of grace a "platonic divine forms" way.

really made me think, you sound like an expert in Classics

as in seeing a beautiful sunset or nature ect.

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Viewing the male figure as "beautiful" is not in any way "gay"

Oh yeah, the Antic Greece was so white.

It's a popular thing nowdays to pick a 'bad' emperor by telling the public that he was in fact good, and then releasing a popular history book based on it. Showing sources biased is simple work of tying family trees together, and then the historian is free to invent everything. The fact of it all will always be, that we do not know enough. Every conclusion is based on few dated accounts of the persons. In case of later emperors all we often have is one written source. Only new thing that we do have are excavations. In Neros example they do show prosperity, but to account that to him alone is preposterous. Especially when you know he inherited stringent Claudius and Octavian's coffers.

A good book to enlighten you all on the general topic:
brill.com/products/book/family-flavian-epic

>Mr Slave became Emperor

How is that in any way acceptable or desirable? You forget that is also human nature to be violent, cruel and perverse. Sometimes all at once.

Is that Nietzsche?

>"Lmao Achilles was fucking Patroclus, who were both black btw"

ok there you go

christian rubes of the 3rd century or whatever probably burned any literature they came across that was gay

that's backwards, guess you haven't read your plato

Sex was sex and bodies were bodies, they didn't give a fuck, the hedonistic rapscallions. It was probably pretty great. I'm not sexually interested in men, but who knows what society would be like today if sex was as ambiguous as it was back then. Probably wouldn't have this whole war-on-gender ridiculousness going on now.

*That's all history has ever been

Guess we can add it to the list of things Plato was wrong about alongside literally everything.

damn that achilles with feathers on his penis