Can we jump on the Blue Origin train again?

and?
He doesn't put even 2% if his wealth into BO

I like the fact that the company is founded by an eccentric billionaire, but they are very slow compared to SpaceX. I am on the Musk meme till then.

The virgin hair transplant is the one getting all the launch contracts

>FH launch contracts: 2
>NG launch contracts: 8

he puts 1 billion a year into BO.

Starting in 2016.

I take it you're just going to ignore the fact that Falcon 9 is on track to fly more than twice as many missions this year as NG has orders and has dozens of launches ordered for the coming years. I wouldn't be surprised if Falcon 9 reaches the 100 mission milestone before NG has flown once.

>a rocket in service for 7 years gets more orders than a paper rocket
you don't say

BO also has that juicy Onewebb contract that SpaceX can never touch because they were dumb enough to try becoming a direct competitor.

Musk literally only had less than 100 million dollars to start SpaceX with
They got their money through success and actually doing shit

BLUE ORIGIN STARTED BEFORE SPACE X
NO EXCUSES

SpaceX was working with tens of billions by 2012

BO had half a billion in 2014
>spacenews.com/41299bezos-investment-in-blue-origin-exceeds-500-million/

just kill yourself Muskovite

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>blog site
>source is an offhand vague comment
If Blue Origin had chosen a more practical path towards an orbital vehicle, achieving more in less time, they would have more money

>all that pathetic damage control
Go back to r.eddit where you belong
It's more your speed

A: He gives no timeline for the investments
B: The "Less than 5%" is pretty f**king vague
C: stupid u are
D: Blue origin started first, they wasted their time/money on memes and bad decisions

You have yet to post one single fact itt

Your time would be better spent sucking musk's cock than hanging around here

>The total development cost of Falcon 1 was approximately US$90 million.

What stopped Blue Origin from producing a small practical orbital vehicle? Nothing other than their own incompetence/bad decision making/rent seeking behavior.

>Blue Origin developed 3 engines, three small rockets and a space capsule for $500
>Spacex blew up a satellite worth that much on the launch pad

>Blue Origin still years away from reaching orbit
So supposedly they did it the stupid way because they have unlimited money
Meanwhile its not their fault for taking so long, because they haven't had much money?
Make up your mind huh?

>shifting the goalposts this hard

>they have unlimited money
already disproven
>Meanwhile its not their fault for taking so long, because they haven't had much money?
they have 1/6 the employees of spacex and that's triple what they had 2 years ago
What the fuck do you think money pays for? Your dildo collection?

For 500 million, BO could have developed a launch vehicle. They didn't.

>500 million over 14 years
No, they couldn't have.

And yet with all their money they could have developed an orbital vehicle, gaining access to the same billions as SpaceX

They didn't have the money that SpaceX did, ever, at, any point, period.

SpaceX was started with 5 guys and a mariachi band, they had a humble origin, achieved great things.
Blue Origin on the other hand has spent 15 years doing nothing, and are still years away from an orbital vehicle

>SpaceX was started with 5 guys and a mariachi band
One of those guys immediately invested hundreds of millions and nearly a billion by 2008

>Blue Origin on the other hand has spent 15 years doing nothing,
except building 4 new engines, landing, reusing, and re-reusing, and re-re-reusing and re-re-re-reusing before spacex did

>and are still years away from an orbital vehicle
who cares
the soviets had that in the 50s

the most hilarious thing Bezos ever did was beat Musk to the punch with the landing and reuse. Now every time someone introduces SpaceX they have to add a modifier to every accomplishment with "orbital-class" and sound like complete tools

Good for them to spend their hundreds of millions of dollars on reuse using a vehicle/engine that is useless

Very practical approach to space flight
Shuttle designers would be proud

>One of those guys immediately invested hundreds of millions and nearly a billion by 2008
Yeah, and he also did most of the design of the Falcon 1 rocket that blew up a bunch of times and almost sunk the company.

>the most hilarious thing Bezos ever did was beat Musk to the punch with the landing and reuse.
He landed something from space? When?

BE-3 will be used on launch vehicles long after Merlin will.

Blue Origin blew up a bunch of shit too
>newspacejournal.com/2011/09/02/blue-origin-has-a-bad-day-and-so-do-some-of-the-media/

>He landed something from space? When?
youtube.com/watch?v=9pillaOxGCo

First new shepard also splatted on landing but they are not as public with failures as SpaceX.

Blue has bought entire Raptor team from Spacex few years back and still they have 3s at 50% throttle when Raptor got over 20 minutes of firing time last year.Blue has unlimited funding and if Bezos wanted he could build 15m New Armstrong taking 500t into LEO in full reuse by 2025 and still have enough money to buy Tesla Motors and after all that he would still have more money than Musk it is not even a competition at this point

>First new shepard also splatted on landing but they are not as public with failures as SpaceX.
What do you mean?
Both companies have been public about all of their failures. Do you mean that there aren't as many obsessed bloggers writing about BO as about SX?

>Blue has bought entire Raptor team from Spacex few years back
Source?

>and still they have 3s at 50% throttle when Raptor got over 20 minutes of firing time last year
And?
BE-4 is twice the size of Raptor (3 times the size of the subscale prototype) and is a more difficult combustion cycle. Call back when SpaceX builds a flight raptor, let alone tests it.

>Blue has unlimited funding
No they don't. SpaceX has more funding by a long shot.

>if Bezos wanted he could build 15m New Armstrong taking 500t into LEO in full reuse by 2025
errr no
no technical problem like that is solvable in that timeframe for any amount of money

>and still have enough money to buy Tesla Motors and after all that he would still have more money than Musk it is not even a competition at this point
he cannot just liquidate all his assets like that
plus I doubt any tesla owners would sell

>Now every time someone introduces SpaceX they have to add a modifier to every accomplishment with "orbital-class" and sound like complete tools

That modifier is important. Suborbital hops are not spaceflight, just an amusement ride. SpaceX was the first to reuse an orbital booster and that is much more of an accomplishment than anything BO did so far.

The booster never goes to orbit in either case. The modifier exists because SpaceX was second (#2) in the landing rockets from space meme.

hurr durr fire is hot.

Then what stopped BO from puttng a 2nd stage on their New Shepperd?
Oh right because its just a joyride vehicle.

>and is a more difficult combustion cycle.
That isn't true at all, Raptor is a far more advanced engine than the BE-4
Nor is the BE-4 twice the size. Nor is size relevant at all, SpaceX chose an optimal size for a reason, Musk has said scaling the engine is easy.

>Then what stopped BO from puttng a 2nd stage on their New Shepperd?
It's to small

>That isn't true at all, Raptor is a far more advanced engine than the BE-4
FFSC is a much lower-stress cycle than ORSC, moron, that's what makes it easier.

>Nor is the BE-4 twice the size
Yes it is. Raptor's thrust was nearly halved from its specs last year and its chamber pressure was downgraded by 20%.

>SpaceX chose an optimal size for a reason
they only chose that size on the new mini bfr because of the engine-out meme rather than efficiency

>Musk has said scaling the engine is easy
he also said bfr has more pressurized volume than an A380 which is flat-out wrong

>FFSC is a much lower-stress cycle than ORSC, moron, that's what makes it easier.
Lower stress and higher Isp
What stopped Blue Origin from going with the superior, never done before, cycle?

>It's to small
Nothing stopped them from building the New Shepperd as an orbital vehicle, with 4x BE-3 on first stage
NASA would have thrown much more money at them too, if they did.

>What stopped Blue Origin from going with the superior, never done before, cycle?
BE-4 has to fulfill real responsibilities to the Air Force to launch national security payloads whereas Raptor is a meme engine for a meme project.
The less-risky choice is to use the cycle that's worked for the Russians for 50 years.

>Nothing stopped them from building the New Shepperd as an orbital vehicle, with 4x BE-3 on first stage
then it wouldn't be the same vehicle
so why not just build New Glenn instead

also I should add, both Russia and NASA tested a FFSC engine before SpaceX did

>so why not just build New Glenn instead
Because you've spent all thread talking about how they had limited funding
If they could prove they were competent by doing revenue generating launches, they would have much more funding.

Raptor is further along than the BE-4, the Raptor will have a working vehicle using it before the BE-4

>BE-4 has to fulfill real responsibilities to the Air Force to launch national security payloads whereas Raptor is a meme engine for a meme project.

meme engine with much longer test firing time than BE-4

nice meme you got there

>If they could prove they were competent by doing revenue generating launches, they would have much more funding
wow you're so smart with all that hindsight :)
Why don't you tell us the exact date when BFR flies, or better yet, when FH flies.

>Raptor is further along than the BE-4
Raptor has never been tested. Only a prototype. They don't even have a fucking final design yet let alone some tests run.
>Raptor will have a working vehicle using it before the BE-4
fucking lmao

see above

>Why don't you tell us the exact date when BFR flies
first launch of BFS in test flights in 2020
>or better yet, when FH flies.
Next year

>They don't even have a fucking final design
This is SpaceX not being idiots, why focus on some arbitrary vehicle design picked years out? Yet another example of Blue Origin being shit

First new Shepard airframe has crashed on landing
spacenews.com/blue-origins-new-shepard-vehicle-makes-first-test-flight/
Hard to find but a lot of propulsion team went to Blue both by being actively pursued by Blue and being burned out by constant grind.

BE4 is more than twice the physical size but it is a very low pressure conservative design for a staged combustion engine 2400 kN vs 1700 on new Raptor but Raptor being operated at 20 MPa goes to 1400 while blue does 1200kN at the moment and Raptor is surprisingly mature at the moment.

Blue has basically unlimited funding and they work with no worries about this.I know how finance work and that Bezos can't just pull out 50B at a moment notice but he is 4x richer than Musk at the moment and Amazon has incredible cash flow while Tesla survives on capital raises for the past few years.
They could rush and build a much bigger booster over the next 10 years spending 20B to do so if they plan to spend around 2B for New Glenn.

>FFSC is a much lower-stress cycle than ORSC, moron, that's what makes it easier.
This is why Raptor is pushed to 25-30 MPa while BE4 stays at 13.4MPa for easier reuse.
While BFR is designed on the edge of possible performance New Glenn is a very conservative rocket outside of it's immense size nearly 3x the size of Falcon

based...

SpaceX killed the fun of space.

>participating in brand loyalty wars for spacecraft
>not wanting them both to be successful

The more the merrier honestly. SpaceX is on the road to success already, but I hope guys like Blue Origin and Planetary Resources and whoever else gets into the game are also successful.

*blocks your path*

>SpaceX
>biggest space launcher, holds over a 1/3 of the launch market with ~30 missions for 2018
>working VTOL reusable rocket
>Mars mission fleshed out and ready to fly within several years
>Dragon ready to fly to the ISS/the moon in 2018

>bezoslets
>just npw playing with babby's first engine
>0 launches
>created that cringey suborbital piece of shit meme en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Shepard
>New Glenn is still only a 3d model and won't even fly before 2022, at which time SpaceX would be on Mars

>(((and Morty)))

Is Elon Musk, dare I say it, /our guy/?

no, thats the name of their twitter
they are SJW's