Have any studies ever measured doctor performance by race? if so what do they...

Nojokur
Nojokur

Have any studies ever measured doctor performance by race? if so what do they show?

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Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Jesus whites and asians are terrible

Lunatick
Lunatick

I think such a study would need to distinguish between US-born blacks and blacks from the West Indies / Africa (e.g. Nigerian Ibos).

askme
askme

@Nojokur
"measuring" people is exactly what your kind are afraid of. Racism is pseudoscience and only attracts morons, so you oppose judging individuals based on merit. You do anything you can to try to compare average of populations because individually you're all losers.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@askme
cool story bro

Firespawn
Firespawn

@askme
if you think that people can be measured based on merit then why would you be opposed to acknowledging that black people have a mean IQ of between 85-90 , white people have a mean IQ of 100 and east asian people have a mean IQ of 105 ?

what about pointing out these objective facts makes it impossible to measure the Iq of individuals as well?

Nothing.

So agree with me that niggers are mentally inferior on average compared to whites and asians.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@Firespawn
What's the mean IQ of /pol/?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@askme
"logically evaluating" datasets is exactly what your kind are afraid of. Equal opportunity is feelgood and only attracts morons, so you bring out statistical outliers based on race. You do anything you can to present the exceptional as the norm because other than the top 5th, maybe 10th percentile, you got nothing.

WebTool
WebTool

An asian removed my appendix successfully

DeathDog
DeathDog

@RavySnake
You just believe skin color is more important than IQ. We should be judging people individually based on IQ and merit regardless of skin color. Morons like you are just afraid of that.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@SniperWish
75-80

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@DeathDog
Great! So we should get rid of affirmative action, right?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@PurpleCharger
I personally don't care about AA one way or the other. I can see, however, that you really butthurt about it. Even if we got rid of it, it would not benefit you personally in any way. Seeing as you are a /pol/ poster you are not going to get into med school, let alone a decent college regardless. You are just jealous of the success of others.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@BunnyJinx
People like us are all around you.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Fuzzy_Logic
Morons? Yea I know.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@BunnyJinx
@Ignoramus
In all seriousness though, here's part of why I am "butthurt". My uncle and his wife are both doctors. They both went to Stanford Medical. He's white, she's Asian. The children are smart as fuck too. All their lives they planned to go to medical school. One child went to Northwestern. The other, Vanderbilt. Both children were dinged from all med schools they applied to. If they had been black they would have not been denied. So yes I am "butthurt" about the fact that they were racially discriminated against.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@askme
@DeathDog
It's all to do with weak people trying to feel better about themselves by identifying with something that they can point at and say "hey, I'm part of that superior group, so individually I have value." They haven't created their own value yet so they seek to extract it from other means.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Lunatick
So yes I am "butthurt" about the fact that they were racially discriminated against.
You don't know they were discriminated against, you just think they were because the outcome wasn't what you had hoped for.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

@Garbage Can Lid
t. someone who clearly has made zero effort to understand someone else's point of view

it comes down IMO to backlash against allegations of systemic racism as being the primary cause of the black-white achievement gap.

@Lord_Tryzalot
look at the mcat data you mong, you have to be borderline retarded to be black and get rejected.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Carson’s SAT college admission test scores ranked him somewhere in the low 90th percentile, which according to him resulted in a Detroit Free Press article "Carson Gets Highest SAT Scores in Twenty Years" of any student in Detroit public schools.[37][38][56][57] He wanted to attend college farther away than his brother who was at the University of Michigan.[58] Carson says he narrowed his college choices to Harvard or Yale, but could only afford the $10 application fee to apply to one of them.[38][59] He said he decided to apply to Yale after seeing a team from Yale defeat a team from Harvard on the G.E. College Bowl television show.[60][61][62][63][64][65] Carson was accepted by Yale and offered a full scholarship covering tuition, room and board.[66][67] Carson graduated with a B.A. in psychology from Yale in 1973 "with a fairly respectable grade point average, although far from the top of the class."[68][69]

In 1987, Carson was the lead neurosurgeon of a 70-member surgical team that separated conjoined twins, Patrick and Benjamin Binder, who had been joined at the back of the head (craniopagus twins); the separation surgery held promise in part because the twin boys had separate brains.[92] Both boys entered the hospital "giggling and kicking" in preparation for surgery without which the seven-month-old twins would never have been able to crawl, walk, or even turn over.[92] The Johns Hopkins surgical team rehearsed the surgery for weeks, practising on two dolls secured together by Velcro.[92]

farquit
farquit

@Boy_vs_Girl
I didn't misunderstand you, I just didn't care about what you were saying. I don't care about affirmative action. I think it's stupid. I also think people who group others into "races" and treat people as such are also stupid. I want people judged on merit and I want the notion of race to end. It adds no value to society, science, philosophy, or anything else, in any way conceivable. Literally zero value. Throw some more stats at me. It's all very interesting to me.

5mileys
5mileys

@farquit
I don't disagree. Unfortunately I don't see this happening in my lifetime.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Boy_vs_Girl
look at the mcat data you mong
dude your charts say Asians and whites have a better acceptance rate than blacks

Evilember
Evilember

@Evil_kitten
The twins died relatively shortly after the procedure - which isn't to say Carson fucked it up, nobody before him even came out with 2 live people after a cut like that, just that perhaps the achievement was on the cusp of being a miracle rather than a genuine, lasting monument to medical science.
Also by the implied lesson behind this post, every middling B.A. psychologist, alongside any black overachievers, should be permitted to operate as a neurosurgeon.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Bidwell
An MCAT score of 21-23 would put you in the 27-37th percentiles. The black admission rate for people with a 21-23 MCAT was 19.7%. For whites, 6%; asians, 3.6%; hispanics, 25.8%. For an MCAT score of 24-26 (43-55th percentile), blacks have an admission rate of 54.7%; whites, 18%; Asians, 11.9%; hispanics, 40%. Similar trends hold across GPA.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Flameblow
So what you're telling me is your asian cousins are pretty dumb for asians and got beat out by some pretty smart for blacks.

Nojokur
Nojokur

@SniperWish
Who knows?

Let's say it's 80.
And?
Are you going to admit that the mean IQ of blacks is significantly lower than the mean IQ of whites and east asians?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@DeathDog
Morons like you are just afraid of that.

wrong. this is a strawman. Point out anyone saying something like "black people have a low Iq on average therefore let's assume that every white person is more intelligent than every black person"

you can't.

No one has made any policy suggestions yet, so why are you projecting?
If you want to be rational and you care about the empirical evidence, then why can't you admit the simple fact that blacks have a lower average IQ than whites or east asians?

Soft_member
Soft_member

@BunnyJinx
no, he's shown you evidence that whatever their mcat score and GPA, they would have been much more likely to be accepted for medical school if they had been black than if they had been white or asian.

The fact that you're being so blatantly intellectually dishonest indicates that you know that you're wrong but don't want to admit it .

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Nojokur
There was a study done by the Boston Federal Reserve about the affects of affirmative action on employee performance, i.e. asking do workers with worse qualifications end up being worse employees? And the answer was no, there were no significant differences between workers that were very qualified for their jobs and those that weren't at all

DeathDog
DeathDog

@StonedTime
That's funny, because qualification correlates with IQ and IQ correlates with job performance.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Nojokur
Fucking this. People are too retarded and/or scared to just admit,fucking admit facts nowadays. Don't have irrational hate for niggers myself,but objectively on productivity and IQ alone, they are quite possibly the worst race on Earth.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@StonedTime
let's ask and take their word for it
Real great study that you didn't even link there, idiot.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@BunnyJinx
@DeathDog
I had the wrong source.
http://www.government.se/49b738/contentassets/6310cf0f5c5049c6b0ee15d1cfc49b74/harry-holzer-the-economic-impact-of-affirmative-action-in-the-us
The useful verbage in the abstract: "Minorities who benefit from affirmative action often have
weaker credentials, but there is fairly little solid evidence that their labor
market performance is weaker"

TreeEater
TreeEater

@Lunatick
SWEDISH ECONOMIC POLICY REVIEW
Harry J. Holzer is Professor of Public Policy at Georgetown University and a Visiting Fellow
at the Urban Institute in Washington, D.C.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@Snarelure
3.1 GPA
Deserving to go to medical school

That's literally just B's with a couple A's here and there. I thought getting into medical school was supposed to be difficult?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@AwesomeTucker

see @Boy_vs_Girl
with a 3.1 and a 31 MCAT, blacks have an acceptance rate of 76%
sucks if you're white though, then your acceptance rate drops to 28% :(

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Evil_kitten
Ben Carson is literally a liberal wet dream and in no way representative of the blacks at all lmao

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Ignoramus
p.s. if you are hispanic your acceptance rate would be 49% and if you were asian it would be 18%

now apologize for your privilege

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Fuzzy_Logic
Keep dreaming, american. Even if you are right on your nation, others can take its place. It wouldn't be the first time an empire falls.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

despite gpa differences, career progression is the same for all races, and graduation rates are very similar for all races in the medical profession. stop being alarmist pls

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Ignoramus
blacks are ugly and i don't want one as a doctor

girlDog
girlDog

@Spamalot
nice rebuttal, back to /pol/

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@girlDog
I don't use /pol/, I just wanted to see how you would react to actual racism lmao

likme
likme

@haveahappyday
That's not racism, that's bait.

Racism would be the oppinion the average spaniard has about gypsies. Or the average french.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@likme
t. gypsy

farquit
farquit

@Evil_kitten
le exception is the norm face

JunkTop
JunkTop

race doesn't matter and we should stop talking about it
but we'll discriminate on employment and education opportunities based on race because there's not enough blacks/hispanics that are good enough to achieve equal outcome in % of population compared to Whites and Asians
I wonder why there's pushback

t. progressive left

Evilember
Evilember

@Nojokur
all this is doing is making the asians work harder and then smarter in the long run. you can try to weed them out but you will never succeed.

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