# Recently published paper on /b/

Raving_Cute

recently published paper on /b/
opinions?

farquit

@Raving_Cute
don't act like a newfag that makes demands of other people
/b/ doesn't shit on you as much
Shocking.

DeathDog

@Raving_Cute
even though i don't necessarily like these people analyzing muh sekret club, it actually makes perfect sense for them to do so as social scientists. the other paper that analyzed /pol/ was actually a really quality study. this one looks pretty half-assed, uses first person (gross), and for some reason thought it was appropriate to make a subjective recommendation about what to do with their findings. also since when are traps considered the most denigrated identity on Veeky Forums? lurk moar newfags

JunkTop

@DeathDog
one more thing i forgot to say: i could have done this entire study and written this paper in like 10 days, and this is considered rigorous for a journal manuscript in social science? lol

BunnyJinx

If they think
grill
is a "feminine, yet degrading term", they have not understood Veeky Forums culture

Stupidasole

@Raving_Cute
I Agree, Tay and Sophia wrote much better dissertations.

Feels like a good comparison though, to compare /b/ communication with open politics to see what the semantic 'human' filter is.

Nojokur

@Raving_Cute
coming to a political conclusion in the abstract
in a journal called "Computers and Composition"

Social """sciences""" will always be utter garbage.

likme

@Raving_Cute
Using threads from 4chan’s /b/ board (an anonymous imageboard
known for trolling and other aggressive behaviors
trolling
aggressive behavior

What? Trolling is "I have way too much time on my hands and nothing to do, please take the bait and allow to have a lot of low-effort fun" behavior. Like, that's all. People trolled because they are bored and there are people willing to take the bait and give ridiculous replies to retarded shit. And then it is fun to read their butt blasted replies and then bait them again to see if they keep going.

Why is trolling considered aggressive?

Gigastrength

@likme
Intentionally causing someone to feel a negative emotion is aggressive

Techpill

@likme

It is sharing an 'unknown joke' without sufficient degrees of freedom between the person trolling and the trollee. You need some friction yes but ya know there's this thing called lube.

@Gigastrength
It is impositional, not aggressive. If you are PERSISTENTLY intended to cause someone to feel a negative emotion over let's say a week/month/year then yeaaaaaah you may as well be a rapist.

Methshot

@Gigastrength
But I don't understand. It's over the internet. And it's also just a game. All you have to do is not take the bait.

TreeEater

@likme
The authors clearly don't understand Veeky Forums, but to be fair, I don't think larping or any such for of bait was always counted as trolling. From the term "trolling", you'd expect it's really about making people worked up. Meanwhile, today, on Veeky Forums, trolling and baiting are essentially used synonymously.

Carnalpleasure

E.g. if I post 1+2+3+ = -1/12, I'm "trolling" by Veeky Forums understanding of the term, but it's not aggressive

Snarelure

@Methshot
THE GAME is called : Simon Wins
Loser punishment is immortal fractal of weeeeeirdness love love
Winner punishment is : Hello Level 3 Infinity!

@Carnalpleasure
Correct.

Skullbone

@TreeEater
From the term "trolling", you'd expect it's really about making people worked up.

Yeah. But you make people get worked up by baiting them. Because the thing about the internet is that none of us know each other. Maybe if your dad told you "kill yourself faggot" you'd get upset. But if a nobody on the internet tells you the same it literally means nothing. It can only hurt you if you take the bait and reply as if it was a serious attempt at hurting you. And then when you reply you are sort of validating the person, opening your heart to them. And then when they strike again by telling you to suck a dick now it hurts more. But then all you have to do is not take the bait again.

Burnblaze

@DeathDog

Emberburn

@Techpill
that's like saying that if i call you a name when walking past you in the street, that's not aggressive cause i don't do it every day

@Methshot
It's over the internet
so?
And it's also just a game
it's not a game if only one person is playing. and most so called trolls are actually totally sincere about what they are saying, then they hide under the mantle of trolling so they don't have to own up to anything

@TreeEater
From the term "trolling", you'd expect it's really about making people worked up. Meanwhile, today, on Veeky Forums, trolling and baiting are essentially used synonymously.
so true. it's actually pretty pathetic to see people get a reply and think that counts as trolling. trolling is about getting an emotional reaction, not just getting a (you)

@Carnalpleasure
@Snarelure
nope, that's baiting, unless you get someone angry/upset about it

@Skullbone
But you make people get worked up by baiting them
you could but it's not guaranteed.
suck a dick
so it's not aggressive to tell someone this because they have the option to ignore you? think about that for a second

@Burnblaze
i don't have it anymore

CouchChiller

@Burnblaze
ok i found it
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1610.03452.pdf

ZeroReborn

@Emberburn
That was a large number of textual isomorphisms that I enjoyed decrypting. Thank you. Not many people feel up to the challenge of taking on my linguistic/mathematica parsing engine.

eGremlin

@CouchChiller
@ZeroReborn
thanks

AwesomeTucker

@Emberburn
so?
You don't know me. Why would you put values in the words of a total stranger?

it's not a game if only one person is playing
No. Everyone is playing the bait the game simultaneously. Sometimes I feel like baiting, but then /pol/ comes with their race shit and they try to bait me. So I have to resist their bait. And then maybe comes someone else trying to bait me. And then maybe comes someone who I think I can bait. And so on. It is like the cycle of life in the animal kingdom. Animals eat each other. It is all good because it is natural. It is just the way things are.

and most so-called trolls are actually totally sincere
Most trolls literally do not know who you are. Especially here. We are 100% anonymous here. And if you are some faggot who decides to unironically use twitter/facebook then that's on you. And even then, people who troll on twitter most likely don't know you either. They just saw your tweet somewhere or whatever.

so it's not aggressive to tell someone this because they have the option to ignore you?
No. It is not aggressive because it means nothing. Let's test something.

user. You are such a great person. You are going to be the next president and if I could I would suck your dick.

Did that mean anything to you? Are you happy now? Think about it. If your mom told you she was proud of you, you'd be happy. But what if I told you I was proud of you? Does that mean anything to you, given that you don't know me? Why would you care about what I have to say about you?

BunnyJinx

@AwesomeTucker
All that mathematical isomorphic meta-bait-tion (Masturbation : Brain Is Largest Sexual Organ)

@CouchChiller
Telefonica Research
Hey, those guys fund a mathematical convention here. Total bros.

Fried_Sushi

@AwesomeTucker
You don't know me. Why would you put values in the words of a total stranger?
i read plenty of valuable comments on Veeky Forums regularly. don't you?

Everyone is playing the bait the game simultaneously
i'm not. i have been on Veeky Forums since forever and i very rarely troll or bait. anyway, my original point was that trolling in inherently aggressive. just cause "it's natural" doesn't change that

Most trolls literally do not know who you are. Especially here. We are 100% anonymous here. And if you are some faggot who decides to unironically use twitter/facebook then that's on you. And even then, people who troll on twitter most likely don't know you either. They just saw your tweet somewhere or whatever.
i'm not sure how this has anything to do with anything

No. It is not aggressive because it means nothing. Let's test something.
it means something to the person who got upset by it

Did that mean anything to you? Are you happy now?
I have been made to feel happy by people's replies to me before. If someone says something nice to me at the bus stop, it could make me feel happy. Just cause they are a stranger doesn't negate that. The internet is not separate from reality

here is the definition of aggression
hostile or violent behavior or attitudes toward another; readiness to attack or confront.
trolling certainly qualifies as having a "hostile attitude"

@Fried_Sushi
We are 100% anonymous here.

So we are 100% part of an idempotent set.

100 % potato

100 % human

100 % water

100 % 0

100 % 1

100 % binary

Or, ya know, 4 Mod 2 = 0

Evil_kitten

@Fried_Sushi
i read plenty of valuable comments on Veeky Forums regularly. don't you?
Yeah, but everyone chooses what they deem valuable. If I say "Trump is good" then /pol/ would jizz their pants and consider me an expert political commentator and journalist. But /leftypol/ would consider me a retarded hillbilly.

i'm not.
That's what you say because you are scared to admit that at least once you've insulted someone.

it means something to the person who got upset by it

But that person chose to get upset. Imagine this. I bring a knife with me. I then show you my knife. You then take my knife and stab yourself. Now you are telling that it is my fault that you got hurt.

And before you take me out of context let me spell it out for you. The knife is the phrase "kill yourself faggot". I simply posted it and shared it with you. You then took those words and decided to hurt yourself with them by deciding you would get upset.

I have been made to feel happy by people's replies to me before.
That is fine, but you also choose who's words you accept. If someone says something nice to you, you are more likely to accept it as it is positive.

trolling certainly qualifies as having a "hostile attitude"

No. It is not hostile. Most trolls do not have hostile intentions. They are not looking to actually hurt you. They are bored and they are looking to see who they can start a high-reward low-risk conversation with.

SomethingNew

@Raving_Cute
transwoman
most vehemently denigrated identity on /b/
Implying /b/ hates traps
I wish she focused on /pol/

takes2long

@Evil_kitten
But that person chose to get upset.
I don't think so. Some people enjoy getting recreationally outraged, but in general people don't like being upset and they don't really have control over it. Has no one ever said something that put you into a bad mood? Then you try to forget it? It can be difficult to do.

here is the definition of hostile
unfriendly; antagonistic.
i don't see how you could argue trolling is not hostile

They are not looking to actually hurt you
not physically, but they are looking to upset you and cause negative emotions, which is aggressive

@SomethingNew
I wish she focused on /pol/

inb4 doxx her name is public and she has a public blog where she shares these things

Poker_Star

fuck she's an asst prof? i should have gone into social science so i can spend a week writing a shitty paper like this and pawn it off as 5 months of hard work

@takes2long
Has no one ever said something that put you into a bad mood?
Yeah but not on the internet. That is my entire point.

It can be difficult to do.
I forget about everything I do on Veeky Forums by the next day kek. Except for like really cool things.

unfriendly; antagonistic.
But is trolling really unfriendly? I don't think trolling is either friendly or unfriendly. It is just a neutral act.

Also, what do you think about when trolling is not directed at an individual, but at a wider group? Like for example when I post BLACKED pictures in /pol/fag threads. Is that mean? Or would you accept that it is just a joke?

Snarelure

@Poker_Star
Well, she's been in academia since 2005. Her graduate studies lasted 10 years. And she graduated with honors from everything.

She is basically the feminist final boss.

Emberburn

Yeah but not on the internet.
maybe not you but most have

forget about everything I do on Veeky Forums by the next day kek
me too but that doesn't change how you feel in the moment

It is just a neutral act
it only seems neutral from your perspective. if the person you trolled felt neutral then by definition you did not actually troll them

Also, what do you think about when trolling is not directed at an individual, but at a wider group?
i guess it doesn't really change much, but it is typically more effective when focused on a specific person. the more info you have on someone the closer to home it hits, which is why it's easier to troll on non-anonymous sites

Like for example when I post BLACKED pictures in /pol/fag threads. Is that mean? Or would you accept that it is just a joke?
I'm not sure if it's mean, but it can certainly be both mean and a joke at the same time

Firespawn

raid count for her paper just went up by one.

RavySnake

@Snarelure
I Have Invited Her To /pol/ Via My Twitter Account. I Hope She Realizes How Important Intersectionalities Are Ultimately A Way To Dissolve The Gender Divide.

@Emberburn
This is literally the best conversational approach I've probably ever seen. Ya see? Different boards, different flows of intellectual/communicative time (>YFW Veeky Forums.org is a better organization unit than all other politics/religions/mathematica combined!<)

@Firespawn
ZERG RUSH

StonedTime

@RavySnake
what the fuck are you even talking about autist?

TechHater

@StonedTime

Dreamworx

@BunnyJinx
i know what a zerg rush is autist

Nude_Bikergirl

@Dreamworx
Did you know that you were a zergling once? Wololo you convert. Get to it.

OR

Stay Comfy. Shit's beginning to happen and I ain't sorry.

King_Martha

@Nude_Bikergirl
i hope for your sake you are either high as fuck or english is not your 1st or 2nd language

girlDog

@King_Martha
I speak ANL (Character Code), but Singlish/Engrish is a close enough approximation.

My native tongue is Latin.

haveahappyday

@Raving_Cute
our tax money funded this
jesus fuck.

New_Cliche

@haveahappyday
Actually, the Simon foundation did.

Illusionz

THAT'S SCIENCE

Stark_Naked

@Illusionz
NOT BEING ACKNOWLEDGED
That's DEcapitalism!

Nude_Bikergirl

@Raving_Cute
the most vehemently denigrated identity on/b/
This isn't true at all though. In fact, I'd say the way it "self-identified" was the deciding factor in whether or not it is disparaged and barraged with "memetic responses". The responses are rarely memetic anyway. Certain phrases, images, and thoughts obviously are, but not overall discourse and points made. Hence why you always have a chain of varying viewpoints disagreeing with and disparaging other viewpoints. Sometimes things are repeating in a given context for the meme-value and entertainment of seeing a string of anonymous people saying the same thing. Like when you commonly see people reply with the exact same text, in a given thread. Veeky Forums is, if anything, contrarian and highly diverse in opinion. Though I don't often go on /b/, so perhaps it has more aggressive memetic behaviour and less self-thinking than most of Veeky Forums. But I think that presentation is just as important as content, most of the time, as it dictates the reader's understanding of the content, and their emotion towards it. It also depends on thread...if you have literal gay roleplay in a given thread (which is common all over 4chan), then traps are obviously welcome. But if you had specific, semi-serious discussion and tried to warp the thread into your gay rp shit, obviously the unanimous reply will be to "fuck off".

@Raving_Cute
transwomen
Is she talking about traps? How are they denigrated like half of /b/ is hard gay for them.

iluvmen

@Nude_Bikergirl
Ok, I wrote the post I'm replying to after only reading the abstract. After actually reading the "paper", my thoughts:
The writer tries to pretend that elitism and in-culture is the reasoning for the two different sets of replies to the 2 transposters. In reality, it's just because the first one said legitimately wrong and retarded shit, in a whiny and demanding manner too. Obviously the Veeky Forums majority is not really opposed (not neccessarily in favour though) to trans as a whole, there are thousands of them as regular posters, on /b/ alone. Just asinine declarations and stupid shit that any sane person takes issue with. The 2nd transposter is actually way too try-hardy, they would have got better replies if they weren't blatantly trying to sound as though they fit into some idealisation of /b/'s culture. It's too overt, as the author doesn't actually understand Veeky Forums. They sound like an edgy kid, I'm sure a lot of people cringed. So pretty much, replies and behaviour are dependent on the antagonist, not some boogey-man elitism and sensationalist notions of aggression and "trolling".

The author completely lies about the nature of the term "gril" / "grill" too, or rather their "source" does. No one uses the term grill in this way:
a joke that equates women with cheap, easily replaced, mostly superfluous lawn ornaments

idontknow

half of Veeky Forums more like, including me mate. Fucking Veeky Forums turned me gay, or at least some weak form of bisexual, in the last 4 or so months.

Also, no one likes the feminism/identity politics shit that it is steeped in. Especially when it is declared and demanded, like it is in this paper. People who like traps, like actual physical examples of it.

TurtleCat

@Raving_Cute
sent an email to the author boys
dunno why, it was kinda fun tho

CouchChiller

@Raving_Cute
That magazine actually has Impact Factor.

StrangeWizard

@Evil_kitten
Do you have autism?

Dreamworx

@Raving_Cute
It finally happened, now going straight into reading the scientific papers and avoiding the retards in the media is not enough to find the truth.

What's a man left to do?

Nude_Bikergirl

@Dreamworx
Do it yourself

MPmaster

@Nojokur
But it's about an internet forum, computer related thing amirite

SomethingNew

mass censorship does not promote "democratic discourse".

cum2soon

@farquit
this

that's all I got from this overly long article. Also I guess I did identify with being a beta male oldfag

Fuck I hate my life

@TurtleCat
post it

Poker_Star

@CouchChiller
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1610.03452.pdf
thanks. think the social scientist there took /pol/ too seriously really. prob blinded by their tools and funny stats terms (as they are social scientists and don't have to do anything measureable with their stats [like kalman or something] I assume they do not understand it really).

Emberburn

@Raving_Cute
it took an english major """academic""" to make these conclusions about /b/

TalkBomber

@Dreamworx
Avoid any journal that isn't for a hard science(s).

LuckyDusty

@CouchChiller
like the cross correlation though. good excuse to put some dirac impulse functions into something otherwise fairly meaningless

CouchChiller

@Raving_Cute
Erika plz leave

if you really wanted to show off in academia that you browse the chinz like a boss you could have done it way more subtly

DeathDog

Post it boy

eGremlin

@Poker_Star
if you look at the authors other pubs he doesn't actually seem like a social scientist. he has IEEE pubs and shit

@LuckyDusty
dirac impulse functions
i don't even know what that is but i just liked that he did an actual quantitative analysis instead of just reading some text and writing a blog about it like the OP paper did

takes2long

@eGremlin
ah that explains the dirac impulse functions then.
They are a bridge between analogue and digital electronics and are kind of Msc in eelectrical engineering/physics level. I think in physics they also explain point charges and shit.

If he is so clever why does he not get the joke that is /pol/ then ?

@eGremlin
can you provide link to op paper ?

TreeEater

@Evil_kitten
The knife is the phrase "kill yourself faggot". I simply posted it and shared it with you. You then took those words and decided to hurt yourself with them by deciding you would get upset.

Kill yourself, fagoot.

No, really, do it. The world doesn't need any more degenerate losers with no self-accountability. Blame all of your life's problems on other people as much as you want, at the end of the day the common denominator is you: a bitter, lonely sack of shit who will shift any blame off yourself just to avoid blowing your brains out for one more day. Or, grow the fuck up and realize that everyone's actions have consequences, and you have partial responsiblity for the way anyone percieves you.

Carnalpleasure

@Raving_Cute
Who the fuck goes on /b/ anymore

The board that really needs a case study is /pol/

Emberfire

@takes2long
kind of Msc in eelectrical engineering/physics level

Lol what? Impulses are fundamental to signals and systems, open any random signals book and you'll see deltas on the first page.

SniperWish

Impulse is the key to transforms. The dirac function is theoretically zero in time domain and infinite in the frequency domain with a constant amplitude of 1.

This has nothing to do with the a connection between discrete math and continuous math. That connection is the Lebesgue integral.

AwesomeTucker

@SniperWish
If you work with analogue signal processing you use La-place transforms. If you work with DSP, you use Z transforms. The maths that links Z and s transforms is the dirac impulse function. The dirac impulse function is the inverse la-place transform of 1 (which I think you were trying to say, as its impossible to describe that properly in the real time domain/mapping). So you have some of the story. I suggest you read a good undergrad book on digital signal processing.

CodeBuns

@SniperWish
$\int_{0-}^{\infty} f(\delta {0}).e^{-st}.dt = 1$

New_Cliche

you have to consider....
$\int_{0-}^{\infty} f( \delta(0) ).e^{-st}.dt = 1$
that means a train of unit (1 ) size pulses
are considered dirac impulse functions. thats the key to justifying difference equations as valid signal processing terms in the frequency domain.

Nojokur

@SniperWish
did you just read that off wiki or something ? go back to 'r' stat boy

Boy_vs_Girl

@TreeEater
do it faggit

King_Martha

@Carnalpleasure

Playboyize

@takes2long
i don't see how you could argue trolling is not hostile
trolling is not hostile, trolling is literally just a prank
or well, there's the attitude
going into Veeky Forums and pretending to not understand simple concepts in order to make people upset through the general Veeky Forums cultural trait of getting upset at people who are being actively stupid or ignorant is not a hostile activity
going into /v/ and pretending to be a ps4 owner and acting obnoxiously to make people angry at sony fans is a decently hostile activity
calling someone a nigger or spamming pictures of prolapsed anuses is not trolling, it's just general rude behavior

Sharpcharm

@Raving_Cute
I didn't read the entire thing yet, but the author identifies the first transexual as posting pictures of her face, when the filename is the default Veeky Forums filename which heavily implies that they're not original pictures. So again, it's another attempt of some retarded psuedointellectual broad to analyse shit she has no clue about, /lit/ has had threads about similar morons completely missing the point before.

RavySnake

paper from 2011 on /b/ (done by MIT)
https://projects.csail.mit.edu/chanthropology/4chan.pdf

JunkTop

@Raving_Cute
Shit paper. Biased and not very accurate.

Also. that first paragraph of "we need to indoctrinate the anonymous people into our cult of PC and (perceived) ethical writing".

Just to piss them off I post the following:
Niggers.

@Playboyize
pranks can be hostile. they are not mutually exclusive
trying to make people upset is the definition of trolling, and it is a hostile act

Emberburn

it's not a hostile act because they use non-hostile triggers to activate hostile response
and generally, in the context of Veeky Forums, I'd argue people enjoy being angry and trolling them is pretty much doing them a favor

Stark_Naked

@Raving_Cute
The abstract sounds like a retarded commie screeching. Garbage.

Sharpcharm

@Stark_Naked
Define the "commie" part, I'm not quite sure you understand that word.

BlogWobbles

@Sharpcharm
i've never seen someone on Veeky Forums call someone a commie that actually understands what it means

TreeEater

@Sharpcharm
She repeats slogans of American communists referred to as left wingers in USA.

TurtleCat

@takes2long
It is generally accepted that you learn some emotional control as you grow up. If someone is getting "triggered" by some complete stranger in the internet over some throwaway insult that is not even personalized to the individual in particular, they are not mentally grown up, as a mature adult would simply dismiss that insult as being more a reflection on the one insulting than the person being insulted.

If they are hurt by such a comment it may be either good practice (they can learn to deal with hostility in a small form, it will come in worse forms outside the internet) or an incentive to reflect on their own emotional awareness.

Either way, getting generally insulted online should never be able to emotionally hurt a stable, mature grownup, and as such I have to agree with the user saying that these people do it to themselves and are perhaps mentally unequipped for online discussions.

RumChicken

@JunkTop
https://projects.csail.mit.edu/chanthropology/4chan.pdf
agree its pretty lame. the /pol/ paper delved deeper.; but still missed the point.

DeathDog

@Playboyize
like bald for bieber ? is that hostile or just a stupid filter?

TechHater

@JunkTop

King_Martha

@New_Cliche
can't believe our tax money is funding the simon foundation