Can lobsters feel pain?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Can lobsters feel pain?
Apparently there's s law in Switzerland saying you have stun a lobster before throwing it into boiling water.
The article I was reading implied scientists say it's cause they can feel pain.
But I'm skeptical
I was under the impression a lobsters nervous system was no more complex than a cockroache's.

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W37TDK6dBM
http://umaine.edu/lobsterinstitute/education/life-of-the-american-lobster/anatomy-biology/
Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Raving_Cute
Nociceptors are what allow a creature to feel pain. It is unknown if lobsters feel pain or not. Stunning a lobster isn't all that hard and it helps keep splashing of boiling water to a minimum which can be dangerous.

girlDog
girlDog

Who tf cares its a fucking animal

5mileys
5mileys

@Raving_Cute
How do you stun it?

w8t4u
w8t4u

@girlDog
kys

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Raving_Cute
@Lord_Tryzalot
@5mileys
stunning them? that's retarded. grab your knife, and stick it in the head swiftly. dead instantly, no pain.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

imagine tazing a lobster

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Bidwell
That ruins the meat you retard.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Playboyize
meat
in the head
here's an idea: don't talk about things you don't know anything about. don't comment. don't give your opinion. don't post. just lurk more.

@Raving_Cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W37TDK6dBM

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@girlDog
this. It's not like it's gonna seek revenge.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@Skullbone
all that anger
desperately trying to put up an aggressive front because you fear anyone actually arguing with you
sad

King_Martha
King_Martha

@PurpleCharger

Wallace had a good point, though

Even if they have receptors and feel 'pain', their lack of complexity in the nervous system means they don't know what it is to suffer, etc probably, so we're just likely humanizing them when we think of pain

Their response is probably more automatic than thought about.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@Raving_Cute
Apparently there's s law in Switzerland saying you have stun a lobster before throwing it into boiling water.

OK...

Swiss man removes lobster from bag.
In Swiss, shouts "Your sister is dead!"
Lobster shouts, in lobster, "What the actual fuck!!!!???"
Splash.

askme
askme

@5mileys
"Hey lobster...lobster... No, listen, lobster, seriously... lobster, are you listening?

/b/ was good."

Methnerd
Methnerd

@Raving_Cute
Ye they can feel pain like any creature.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@Methnerd
Damn I love these kind of comics.
Makes absolutist retards think for a moment.

idontknow
idontknow

There is more to gain for certain people if scientists claim they don't feel pain, no matter how absurd it sounds. This way we can boil a living thing alive and not feel any remorse. Funny, really.

Methshot
Methshot

@Bidwell
lobsters don't have a centralized brain. Their have multiple nodule like brains scattered all over the place. You can't do it quick and easy with a knife. Swiss law prevents them from freezing the lobsters. The study concluded shocking them is the only way.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Raving_Cute
tfw I've killed literally tons of lobsters
they squirm and squeak a little when you boil them
they feel something like pain
you can headstand them and they pass out
they're incredibly stupid
carnivorous
they're bugs
and delicious

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

i just boil them

if someone wants to get in an ethical debate with me they arent getting any lobster

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Methshot
Nonsense:
The Post

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Spazyfool
An ethical person wouldn't want the lobster.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@idontknow
That cumguzzling faggot of "god" created a universe than runs on death. take it to him

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@King_Martha
Their response is probably more automatic than thought about.
So is ours, just on a different scale. You have to make a judgement as to what "realness" and complexity is required for an organism's nervous system stress to be considered.

Illusionz
Illusionz

as far as boiling, they die pretty quick so not a big issue. It's more when the processing plants/sellers harvest raw lobster tails to sell they need to fix.

pick up live lobster and ram a big spike mounted on the wall into it's chest cavity
pull and twist on it's tail until it and half it's innards rip off it's body
through all this lobster is still alive and flailing
toss body, still alive, along the process to have claws harvested and rest of body meat for scrap and canned meat

StonedTime
StonedTime

@TurtleCat

No I don't

eGremlin
eGremlin

Does them feeling pain fuck up the taste or something ? .I've heard anecdotal shit that cows taste like shit if they die agitated because of all the shit secreted to their blood

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Lord_Tryzalot
Lol. We're not sure if they feel pain but stunning them keeps them from flailing around in boiling water. But we're still not sure if they feel pain

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@Ignoramus
Says the man who gets eaten by his pigs or pit bulls. What if he sneeks out and gets ur achilles tendon

idontknow
idontknow

@Raving_Cute
Why would you stun a lobster before throwing it into boiling water?

Emberfire
Emberfire

Pain is such a weird criterion for acknowledgement of "rights". It lacks a reasoned or fitness-based foundation. People should stop mindlessly accepting their empathetic projections.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

@girlDog
this applies to niggers aswell

eGremlin
eGremlin

@Emberfire
Not an argument.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@idontknow
You're a big crustacean

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@idontknow
Who benefits, precisely and what are those benefits?

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Methshot
But shocking them would in the end have to cause some pain or else it wouldn't be all that "shocking".

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Crazy_Nice
I'll have tis guys lobster, please.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@askme
That shit is ancient nigga

RavySnake
RavySnake

@idontknow
kek'd

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@idontknow
To let it pass away peacefully.

iluvmen
iluvmen

@Raving_Cute
Swiss are such pussies just throw it in.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@Spazyfool

I like you.

Evilember
Evilember

@girlDog
this. killing the animal "humanly" is incredibly hypocritical

Flameblow
Flameblow

@girlDog
So are you. So you wouldn't care if I boil you alive?

inb4 "humans aren't animals" insanity

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Fried_Sushi
No.

@Methshot
This is absolutely true. Let me spell it out for you mathematicians, physicists, etc. who dominate this board now.

Lobsters are not what is known as a "vertebrate". This means they do not have a "central nervous system" like most mammals, fish, and other vertebrates like lizards do. A lobster has a decentralized nervous system, which means it does not have a "brain". It's ability to "think" is shared by different nerves and neurons located in different locations throughout the body. You could say its entire body is it's brain.

As for whether or not they feel "pain", well definitely not the way humans or other vertebrates do, but it's been argued even plants show a "pain response". It would stand to reason that yes they do feel stimuli from their enviornment that they would act to avoid. But do they process that mentally, do they remember that uncomfortable feeling? Studies show that yes they do. Whether this is a conscious feeling they are actively aware of or a simple knee-jerk response, we may never know.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@eGremlin
On the contrary, veal (which is baby cow) is chained from birth so as not to develop muscles to keep the meat tender. It's generally believed that the stress and suffering in cows specifically makes their meat taste better, not worse. You could say that "all the shit secreted to their blood" might improve the taste. Of course that probably depends on the person.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Creatures in our kingdom have an avoidance mechanism for damage. Stimulating this mechanism causes the organism to behave in a non-statis manner which can always be interpreted as distress. There is no need to cause an animal distress if it can be avoided, so give it the benefit of the doubt and kill it outright and definitely.

TechHater
TechHater

@Raving_Cute
Smaller body just makes the feel all that bigger user...

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@BlogWobbles
UUUU

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Raving_Cute
Lets think about this for a second.
animal doesnt feel pain
animal finds itself experiencing no pain while getting attacked by a predator or injuring itself
animal has no incentive to avoid being attacked by predators or injuring itself
How long do you think such a species would last before going extinct? They may not feel pain in the same way as we do, but it is unlikely that any macroscopic organism capable of movement would evolve with no pain response because it would be such a monumentally ineffective survival mechanism.
Also, why wouldnt you just kill it beforehand? Reguardless of if they feel pain or not it cant be pleasant to be boiled alive and its not hard to stab them in the brains before throwing them in the pot.

tl;dr: lobsters most likely feel pain, but even if they dont the only reason you wouldn’t grant them a swift death is because you are a sadistic asshole.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Probably

5mileys
5mileys

@girlDog
Why the homophobia?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@AwesomeTucker
t. Chinaman

TreeEater
TreeEater

@5mileys
Because you are such a massive faggot that its repulsive, even over the internet.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Humans are not what is known as a "crustacean". This means they do not have a "central nervous system" like most mammals, fish, and other vertebrates like lizards do. A human has a decentralized nervous system, which means it does not have a "brain". It's ability to "think" is shared by different nerves and neurons located in different locations throughout the body like the brainstem, cortical lobes, limbic structures, and various sensoric neurons throughout its body. You could say its entire body is it's brain.

WebTool
WebTool

@haveahappyday
I'm sorry what

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Flameblow
Well not really, because i'd be dead

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@New_Cliche
goes on rambling when a video proves him completely wrong
sad

takes2long
takes2long

@Raving_Cute
In Korea they roast dogs alive
Do dogs feel pain /b/?

Bidwell
Bidwell

@King_Martha
Wallace had a good point
Wallace and similar Darwinists, ruined Darwin

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Evil_kitten
no it doesn't, it has 0 effect on me.
It's just an absurd comic.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Emberfire
We have no other basis to give rights.

idontknow
idontknow

@Ignoramus
we have a comparatively complex moral system today but we often forget that what you said with a tad of hardwired empathy mixed in was the defacto moral compass for pretty much everyone for all of history.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@whereismyname
shellfish are bugs

FastChef
FastChef

IMHO, pain comes with instinct to proctect from death or injurie, but who cares of other much as himself ?

TreeEater
TreeEater

I too read that thread on /ck/

Flameblow
Flameblow

Neurons in lobster 100,000
Neurons in a fruit fly 250,000

If you are worried about the feeling of the lobster you have a lot of shit to care about.

It's too stupid of a being to worry about it's emotions or feelings. Welcome to reality. Stop anthropomorphizing everything.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Flameblow
This is my first post in this thread.

I thought I would say that this information you have provided strikes me as bullshit.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@haveahappyday
C- you tried

cum2soon
cum2soon

@CodeBuns
http://umaine.edu/lobsterinstitute/education/life-of-the-american-lobster/anatomy-biology/

It's okay to be stupid. Don't feel bad brainlet.

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