What does this word mean?

why do so many people disagree on its meaning? which writer had the most accurate description of the term?

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Some people use it to refer to a stateless, classless commune, and other people use it to refer to any government built on communist ideology.

I like this one
marxists.org/archive/camatte/wanhum/wanhum04.htm

I think communists probably have the best handle on what it means, as literally thousands of them have written literally hundreds of thousands of pages on what it is

But, you know, communist manifesto is a good guide to what the historical program and aims of communist organization were. If you're curious I would start there, takes like an hour to read.

The best way to analyze a historical phenomenom is by how it actually manifested itself in the real world.

The words of communists about what communism is and how should it work are about as meaningless as the words of Robert Filmer about how the divine rights of kings should work. You don't look for that, you look for the actual actions of kings who claimed divine right to rule like Louis XIV.

So, how did communism manifested itself in the real world, what are the commonalities that tie the communist experience in as distinct countries as Poland and Vietnam, Cuba and the Soviet Union, Ethiopia and Czechoslovakia?

It is certainly not economic policy. Communist countries have shown several different economic policies, from the NEP and "Socialism with Chinese characteristics", to North Korean autarchy. So, as an historical phenomenom, communism can't be about economics.

So what it is? What ties all these different communist countries together as part of the same historical phenomenom. From my study about communism, I'd say it is the absolute control the Communist Party exercised over the political, cultural and social spheres. This is what something never handed over to their enemies. Lenin may have handed over power to the capitalists through the NEP, as did Deng Xiaping, Tito and that guys in Hungary, but no communist leader ever handed political power to anyone else.

Now, considering that Gramsci considered the "Communist Party" not to merely the formal party, but the collective of the activist civil society and intelligentsia, then it is undeniable that the Western world is increasingly becoming communist, as NGOs and intellectuals becoming increasingly the main holders of political, cultural and social power. Economical power escapes them, but as previous historical experience shows, actual communists don't value it as much as their propaganda says it they would.

What about the communist project as real human community that has surfaced again and again throughout history ie. the paris commune, krondstadt, Czechoslovakia, paris 68?

>the paris commune, krondstadt, Czechoslovakia, paris 68?
>leftcom detected

Abandoning thread

>what does this word mean?
Wikipedia
>why do so many people disagree on its meaning?
Lenin's deception and liberals propaganda
>which writer had the most accurate description of the term?
The anarchist writers.

It means socialism, which means democracy, which means anarchism, which means egalitarianism.

Might as well call the territory ruled by the Baron von Ungern-Sternberg during the Russian Civil War the Mongol Empire.

If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/.

You get my report.

Communism = jews.

You = Unlit
You = Asleep
You = blind
You = a sheep

Some Jews fight the power of the banker overlords, others can be the bankers. Yet you blame them both for your problems on religious grounds. Fascists are capitalist extremists, yet are you a Jesus freak too? He didn't seem to like money all that much.

we already live under communism, what is affirmative action but enforced equality of result?

You are clearly uneducated about jews and don't understand them in the slightest, which is why you're projecting white behavior onto a tribe of middle eastern semites. Keep a distance from things you don't understand until you're willing to learn about them, doing otherwise only makes you look foolish, toots.

You don't know what communism is.
So this isn't it, okay? That is a mixed economy with faux democracy. The actual left, communism for some, anarchism for others, is about an absence of state/corporate force.

There are also white revolutionaries and white bankers. Duh. Is this a joke post?

>Fascists are capitalist extremists
ah, yes, capitalists love the nationalization of industry

>Ah, yes regular Muslims love jihadists.

You are talking about a people known as "the tribe" -- they don't think individually like Europeans do, and the world is not comprised of free spirits who think individually like Europeans do, it's comprised of tribes. And communism is a jewish tribal ideology, duh. Stay out of the intellectual stuff, hun, it's not for you.

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So only the euro-anglo-sphere can achieve anarchism ala Stirner, while the rest of the world will only be able to achieve communism (not Marxist-Leninism)
(You forget the little ants known as Christians, but I suppose you have an excuse)

You're anti-semitism is somehow irrelevant in the end result of global freedom. Help end capitalism, let the state whiter away. Go free

Hitler's Germany actually privatised industries during the great depression.

> You're anti-semitism is somehow irrelevant in the end result of global freedom.
You live in a fantasy world and don't have the first clue about what's going on in reality. Most of this stems from you being a female who thinks she has any business talking about the intellectual subjects of men. Please, men do not find this attractive, and it is a terribly unappealing trait in a woman.

That only works if you presume the natural and inherent evolution of the Corporation is to become a State.
And if you believe that, You're a fucking retard.

relevant

>You're
Crap.

No, I'm describing something that may actually never happen, and only because capitalism is ramming us into an early grave.
The rest of your post is too cartoonishly stupid to consider.

Did you link the right post?
The Corporate state exists. If you believe it doesn't you're a valuable stooge for them. Their model citizen

How can you call something stupid when you are advancing the notion "capitalism" is some machine with a mind of its own that is killing people? This is a prime example of my point about how you as a female should not be inserting yourself into intellectual conversations like this. Who do you think is in control of the institutions that shape and define capitalism? Jews, sweetheart.

Keep to the Harry Potter threads, please, you may actually have something to contribute in those.

See? Cartoon. Can't even counter the basics of the argument, so instead keeps up the stereotypical insults.
You're disingenuous. Buzz off.

capitalism is what cyberneticians would call a runaway process, a process that has escaped human control. 'Libertarians' think of capitalism as a jeffersonian artisan utopia of independent entrepreneurs that has been corrupted by big government, ignoring the transformations undergone by productive processes since the 18th century. Modern Capitalism is a global system ruled by a logic of its own, it leads to absurdities such as the third world debt crisis, the unsustainable eternal growth imperative and ecological catastrophe.

>"capitalism" is some machine with a mind of its own that is killing people
>mfw

What argument? The argument that some phantom system with a mind of its own is killing people, instead of the over-representation of middle easterners in charge of shaping its parameters? You are embarrassing yourself because you are a girl pretending to have the intellectual faculties of a man. Find a nice white man and have some white babies, these types of conversations are not for you.

>Modern Capitalism is a global system ruled by a logic of its own, it leads to absurdities such as the third world debt crisis, the unsustainable eternal growth imperative and ecological catastrophe.

Do you know how silly this sounds? People make these decisions, and systems are reflections of the people in charge of them. You will be forever out of touch if you continue to blame abstract systems instead of the people in control of them. This is about people.

If you're not a communist you're a piece of shit and deserve the wall.

If you steadfastly believe in American propaganda against communism you deserve the wall.

Kulaks deserve to be shot into the sun.

you're the idealist blaming abstractions if you think magically free agents simply "making decisions" are the motive force in world-economy and not the material conditions of production and exchange

The economy has to keep growing constantly at an ever faster rate in order to cover the payment of interest. This is a feature inherent to the capitalist system itself, something that lies outside of our control. 'libertarians' equivocate human freedom with the freedom of capital. Nobody is truly free under capitalism.

Seriously, stop and listen to yourself. Magically free agents? These are rich and powerful people with agendas, who are disproportionately jewish -- *they* are the "motive force." They are who shape and advance the system you ignorantly believe is some phantom machine making decisions all by itself. Snap out of it, guy.

>The economy has to keep growing constantly at an ever faster rate in order to cover the payment of interest.
Yeah, and who is collecting that interest?

>some phantom machine making decisions all by itself
this is your understanding of rich and powerful jews

So you assign the wealthy the lions share of the blame. Fine. I don't care. The system itself is bad and will continue to be bad no matter who controls it.

Change the system, drop capitalism, and a generation later we'll have less ass holes, less of that "human nature" people like to cite. There'll be a new "human nature"

We have the Internet now ... we can see who is running various arms of the "system" low-information people like yourself mistakenly try to blame because you're afraid to seek the real answers.

>wat communism
not-Empire

>how can into
first, acquire cordless drill
next, run nice hot shower
finally,

>The system itself is bad and will continue to be bad no matter who controls it.
This is just not true, because people are different. If different people were in charge there would be different results ... because the problem isn't the system, it's the jews who are in charge of the system and using it in their tribal interests.

Checking.
>implying precapitalism was good
>implying postcapitalism will be good
>implying life is not suffering
Etc.

the joint stock corporation is a form explicitly designed to eliminate any notion of personal responsibility. A CEO is accountable to the stockholders, he is legally obliged to maximise stock value and liable to face legal consequences if he were to neglect these responsibilities for moral reasons.

Capitalism, as different as it can get with socialist programs sprinkled over it, is always the same. Always encourages the same results and that is because it is corruption itself.
Like trying to clean coal. You have coal or you have washed it away.
>It's the Jews
I still think you're joking. If this is sincerity, you're a first rate retard.

Primitive capitalism wasn't good either. Post capitalism could be great. The motivation of capitalism is competition and fear (because losing means death) Post capitalism's motivation ought to be about sharing, cooperation, caring. The suffering would ease off considerably.

Yeah, and do you know what group is over-represented as shareholders of the companies you probably think are the most egregious exploiters of your capitalist boogeyman system? You don't understand this stuff because you aren't looking at the source.

>Capitalism, as different as it can get with socialist programs sprinkled over it, is always the same.
Except it's not and never has been. That's a very stupid statement. It's not the same in China as it is in Salvador, and it wasn't the same when WASPs were in control as it is now that jews are.

Isn't there some nice man in your life you should be pleasing instead of pretending to be a man on the internet? This isn't your wheelhouse, hun.

As different as you think it is when brown people do it etc. it's still essentially the same. And awful. Just like your act.

>he source.
The wealthy

Your posts a great btw.

>it's still essentially the same
China and El Salvador are essentially the same?

>The wealthy
Who are disproportionately, huh, surprise! Jewish. Look at the Forbes list, toots. Are we starting to learn here yet? Come on, sweety, you're almost there...

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>he hasn't read Marx's criticisms of egalitarianism

>Chian: Yuan/Renminbi
>El Salvador: Colone

>The wealthy are disproportionately Jewish
Irrelevant. You want whites, or your idea of whites to control all the money, I want no one to hold money and keep us in a class system of poverty, war and certain ecological doom.

Aww. What a cute tankie edition. Irrelevant. They're just state authoritarian capitalists too. Not even communism.

>Irrelevant. You want whites, or your idea of whites to control all the money
It is in no way irrelevant that a tribe of outsiders controls the money in white countries, and that's precisely what I want to change -- because that's the main problem ... not "the system" as interpreted by green-haired girls pretending to be boys on the internet.

It's not real communism cause i say so meme
>Basing your whole life on the writing of a neet

>I want no one to hold money and keep us in a class system of poverty, war and certain ecological doom.

And how exactly are you going to bring that about?

An Ideology can't be found in the dictionary.

Capitalism is corruption itself, so it is the problem.

It's not really the commune, no. I know because of my learning. Books, user. Dangerous thing. You discover the truth in them.
Go back to your yiff porn lest the FBI finds you here.

I can't do it alone. I think it's more likely we're going to go extinct in this century. Can't blame a woman from trying though.
Where are the heroes? All I see are Nazis cosplayers

the furies are fully on board with communism m8 these are the people attracted to your ideas weak sexual degenerates

>marx was a neet
when will this meme end.

>I can't do it alone.

Can't do what alone?

If you had the whole world behind you, then what would to do to bring the intimated state of the world about?

the truth never ends my dude

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>Capitalism is corruption itself, so it is the problem.
Corruption is corruption itself, and some groups of people are more corrupt than others; just like capitalism is different when different groups of people are in charge of the institutions that advance it.

You will never understand the underlying factors of your reality if you cannot understand that the system is only a reflection of the people in charge of it, and our current system is bad because jews are in charge of it and are using it against white people because they hate us.

>Venezuela
>I believe anything the CIA tells me.

Not to defend the Chavistas but...
youtube.com/watch?v=ig6yFP8HjVQ

>muh cia is the only reason communism fails meme

Marx was a journalist. He also wrote books. He wasn't a NEET.

Also,

>state capitalism (along with lul oil money) is socialism

You know what else is socialist? Pensions. I guess when America falls they'll blame socialism too.

Colonel Gaddafi's Peoples Arab Jamahiriya before the NWO banking cartel pulled the plug on them

>Corruption is corruption itself
Thas a funny way to spell capitalism. What is corruption, what corrupts? Monetary gain...
It's stupid to think melanin or nose shape determines anything.
If you counter with "it's a cultural thing" Well, than! Nothing will change the culture more than jettisoning the sick motivational device of capitalism for a sharing compassionate one.

>muh cia is the only reason [social democracy] fails meme
Somehow it's allowed to work in the Nordic countries. It's not the skin doing it. It's the CIA's skin.

>It's stupid to think melanin or nose shape determines anything.
Not in the slightest. People evolved differently and in different environments for thousands of years. They are not the same, nor is the fruit of their society -- including political and economic endeavors.

You think you can blame this abstract system for everything while ignoring human difference. Can you really not comprehend how stupid that is? You are thinking like a simpleton. There is no reasoning behind your point of view, it's merely a safe thing for you to blame in a society that has severe penalties for denying racial egalitarianism.

>Marx was a journalist
lol how about that time he impregnated the maid and left her and the child to starve how very communist of him
he was subsides by someone who owned a factories money he was as neet as it got for his time
muh commies have a monopoly on social programs could you be anymore of a brainlet
>Somehow it's allowed to work in the Nordic countries
ah yes Sweden is so great now it's the rape capital of Europe and has regular grenade attacks
sydsvenskan.se/2016-08-07/sa-latt-kan-man-kopa-en-handgranat
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

>People evolved differently and in different environments for thousands of years.
HAHAHAH Book for you.

Are you trying to say people didn't evolve in different environments for thousands of years

At least /lefty/pol threads are a good containment zone for that obnoxious and annoying butterfly poster.

Being in separate gene pools isn't evolution. You have cultural differences with The Others. Shut up and read more.

i thought you fucking loved science why do you deny evolution

This is a very ignorant statement. The genetic differences between different groups of people are enormous, not to mention the foundation of culture.

The levels of idiocy in these last two posts is seriously jaw dropping. Holy shit.

This place used to have some smart people. But all must have discouraged them all too much.

Money is a medium of exchange and storage of value. It can't corrupt anything.

Power corrupts, money as a medium and storage of value can bring power, but it's subordinate to it, not above. Since communism is about absolute political power, no political system can be as corrupt as it.

>b-but muh anarcho-communist, muh Rosa, muh Makhno

If you still think political power correlates to the formal structure of the state, then you're still in entry-level politics and should not be allowed to discuss with the grow-ups

>Everyone else is an idiot and I am such an epic genius.
No wonder everyone can't stand butters.

>and storage of value
Except it isn't. Money has no value. It's pretend.
Money funds power. But the moment someone questions this farce, this game, the knives come out. Force is all too real obviously.

You don't know how evolution works. Cultures evolve over that amount of time, but simply sectioning off a group isn't evolution in action. You and the other poster are demonstrably idiots. No one likes /pol/, /r9k/ either.

A constant proletariat revolution and reformation, without a clear end in sight.

You need to take a look in the mirror, honey. You spent your time itt blaming an abstract system for the world's problems while denying the people involved at the highest levels of that system -- disproportionately tribal jews who wouldn't possibly act in their own ethnic interests, who you refer to merely as "the wealthy" -- could have any effect on the way its policies are implemented. Calling other people idiots when you're advancing such an incongruous and silly point of view will not increase your standing among the men you believe you are equal to in intellectual capacity, which, similar to your opinions generally, is glaringly untrue.

Not the same poster so not sure who you are replying to there buddy. I would take all of /pol/ if it meant ridding this board of your retarded leftist presence.

If money was above power, I wouldn't need to give the content of my wallet to the street kid who pointed a gun at me.

I had more money than him, and yet had to obey his demands. How does that work?

You can't answer this question because you have never read a single book outside the scope of the ideology you decided to follow at 13 years of age.

Money is the power your aggressor is answering to.

>How does that work?
>the knives come out. Force is all too real obviously.

I've cleverly included the answer to your question before you even asked it.
Damn, some dumb people around here.

For all you know the aggressor is responding to his chimp impulses.

You are one of dumb ones, sorry to break it to you.

actually they have been consistently correct in this thread

More likely it's crack cocaine.

You've said it in other context. But what should I expect? Discussing with a communist is already pointless, since they only hold loyalty to the revolutionary idea and will distort anything in order to further their political objectives, a communist women is even worse.

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You have to be a special type of stupid to be a goy and a communist these days. All communism was was a jewish ideology to manipulate and use the lower classes against the European aristocracy so jews could take power. That's why nearly the entire bolshevik government, including the guy who pulled the trigger on the tsar, was jewish. Oh ... what, you thought it was something real? Hah! Silly goyim. We have the same thing now in the form of racial communism, where jews are using non-whites to displace and replace and attack whites. This is part of the jewish ethnic strategy, using the bottom against the top. If you are a white person who considers yourself a communist, you should seriously reevaluate your life and your intellectual path.

Also, if you notice, there were no more communist revolutions in white countries after the creation of israel, all the communists suddenly became nationalists once they had their own land to be nationalist about

Mmm, jews became nationalists? For Israel, yeah, but the communist agitation jews engaged in post-1950s simply morphed into liberalism. Jews are never nationalistic in favor of their host nation, they define themselves against it and create international systems like communism and globalism to promote their interests over the nation state and the national people they live among, who they hate and are constantly trying to destroy out of genetic and in-group cultural psychopathy.

Is your life bettered by dismissing all ideas by leftists and women?

Certainly there is a draw to blame the evils of the world on a tribal conspiracy, that your group are those with free will and and the rest can safely be dehumanized (or if not subhuman, at least inhuman and the enemy) but where does that get you?
Fascism has had it's day in the sun and carries such a stigma now that, regardless of what you see in it, it will not be tolerated by the public

I hope that you find a better path than some reactionary americanized Christianity - for your own sake and for Veeky Forums

Why people think anticommunists have to be Americans or Christians?

Are you sure it's psychopathy and not an aversion to nationalism on the basis that they're a minority group and don't want to get genocided?

What conspiracy? Do you see this thing in front of your eyes, the internet? It magically allows you to see who is controlling what and what their ethnic background is, so dismissing something as a "conspiracy" simply because you don't personally understand it or are unwilling to do your own research on it is no one's fault but your own. Please try to keep your opinion on the matter to yourself until you are willing to do that. And here's some additional advice: pretending 'fascism,' an Italian ideology from the early 20th century, is relevant, let alone a potential threat, makes you look very foolish and uninformed.

Well, jewish psychopathy runs deep but you're right that one of the main reasons jews fear nationalism and beat it into the heads of naive people like this, , that they should also fear it, is indeed because a cohesive group of people cognizant of their long-term interests is a major threat to jewish power. That's also why they promote mass immigration into our countries, because it protects their bad behavior against the nation and its people from being exposed.