James Cameron: "We should eat less meat and dairy to reach climate goals"

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11953603

"Animal agriculture is choking the Earth, and the longer we turn a blind eye, the more we limit our ability to nourish ourselves, protect waterways and habitats, and pursue other uses of our precious natural resources."

Cameron said raising livestock for meat, eggs and milk generates 14.5 per cent of global greenhouse gas emissions, the second highest source of emissions and greater than all transportation combined. It also used about 70 per cent of agricultural land, and is one of the leading causes of deforestation, biodiversity loss, and water pollution.

"On top of this, eating too much meat and dairy is making us sick, greatly increasing our risk of heart disease, type 2 diabetes, several major cancers and obesity."

Is he right? Should we be eating less meat and dairy?

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11953603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRmwobXCc4c
https://apps.fas.usda.gov/export-sales/corn.htm
Firespawn
Firespawn

James Cameron should make less crappy movies to reach climate goals

WebTool
WebTool

@PackManBrainlure
Should Veeky Forums try to make a movie?
(actually I would pay to see that)

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@PackManBrainlure
Yes

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Why make public comments like that? Just lobby the goverment to tax meat industry more which raises the prices and results in less people eating meat.

whereismyname
whereismyname

The earth has shat on humans since we existed. Being eatnlen by bears and shit, earthquakes, freezing to death etc. Payback is a bitch.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@GoogleCat
we don't need to tax them, we just need to subsidize them and the corn industry less so people pay closer to the true price of red meat

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@PackManBrainlure
This is entirely correct.

@whereismyname
Climate change will negatively affect humans too dumbass.

Booteefool
Booteefool

@Garbage Can Lid
At least we will go down swinging.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@PackManBrainlure
yes, goy. no more meat and dairy. we don't want your white children to grow TOO tall and strong.

viagrandad
viagrandad

@PackManBrainlure
We should kill James Cameron to reach climate goals. The airplane rides saved for every multi-millionaire murdered allows literally 1000s of people to eat steaks.

Save the environment, shoot smug rich fucks.

takes2long
takes2long

@GoogleCat
Please let democrats get a majority in US congress and do this. I want to see Trump win again, it was too much fun the last time.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@viagrandad
This. The elite are busying trying to have us live lives with nothing enjoyable while they pollute way more than the average person.

Bidwell
Bidwell

@Garbage Can Lid
Not in my lifetime.

TreeEater
TreeEater

@viagrandad
@w8t4u
No you stupid goy we get to live in mansions and own private jets and you get to pay carbon taxes and live in a shitty apartment!

Snarelure
Snarelure

@GoogleCat
lobby the goverment to tax meat industry more

No need to tax them. Just cut off their subsidies. American citizens are struggling - why should our tax dollars prop up an industry that can’t turn a profit?

WebTool
WebTool

Maybe he should not talk submarine trips to the marianas trench for “research” I’m sure that fuel energy could have been put to better use.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@PackManBrainlure
yes & no; personally i would like 2 eat lab grown meat instead of animal meat when it becomes affordable & doesn't taste like shit

eGremlin
eGremlin

@PackManBrainlure
That rich hollywood fuck can suck my dick.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@PackManBrainlure
"eating too much meat and dairy is greatly increasing our risk of heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and obesity"
No, actually, eating too much carbohydrates is doing that. People who eat ketogenic diets have no risk of diabetes and those who had type 2 before starting actually recover, they experience fat loss and lean muscle growth, and lower their blood cholesterol levels. And this is with eating primarily proteins and fats.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@PackManBrainlure
everyone else should stop eating meat.

I shouldnt stop my retarded ventures to find the earth's massive ocean vagina producing exponentially more carbon emissions than a small town.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Snarelure
Beef doesn't receive any direct subsidies. Corn and soy do, but that's also because they are the basic food ingredients for lots of stuff.

Also who the fuck cares what the normiest, shittiest director of the last 30 yeears has to say

cum2soon
cum2soon

@viagrandad
@WebTool
@Soft_member
Let's be honest, if this quote was coming from someone with a squeaky clean record of environmentalism, you'd still find a way to ignore the actual argument.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@cum2soon
No such thing as a squeaky clean environmentalist. They all stink from trying to conserve water

Techpill
Techpill

@lostmypassword
All right I'll give you a pass for that one.

Emberburn
Emberburn

We
*Buys a private yacht*
Must
*Buys a private jet*
Stop
*Buys 10 cars*
Polution

Evilember
Evilember

@PackManBrainlure
It's kinda funny that pompous jackass James Cameron would make such an insane comment like this, knowing full well that he himself represents almost 30% of global greenhouse gas emisions to date...
Fucker just needs to shut the fuck up already...

RavySnake
RavySnake

@Evilember
Excuse me he's richer and more famous than you'll ever be so that must mean he's right.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@cum2soon
you find me a single famous person that's become an environmentalist and there is no link to profit for them, i'll change my opinion

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@Emberburn
Lol. Not to mention that Titanic and Avatar are themselves pollution.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@BlogWobbles
What is your opinion beyond "I won't address this person's argument because they're a hypocrite" and why does it matter if it's a famous person? If some self-sufficient farmer from the middle of nowhere offers you the same opinion as Cameron, will you just ignore his argument because he hasn't killed himself in order to decrease human consumption?

I agree that Cameron's one of the last people on earth who should publicly run his mouth on decreasing consumption of resources but it doesn't mean he's wrong.

MPmaster
MPmaster

@Ignoramus
Not the user you tagged, but the problem the Cameron is two things
1) What he said is not the whole picture because while factory farming is bad livestock are absolutely necessary for a sustainable agronomy system that doesn't rely on pharma-petro-fertilizer complex
2) if Cameron had any real interest, ideas, or solutions to the problem he would put his money there instead of just talking the talk.
It's pretty clear he just read an article or watched some doc at a film festival and then ran off at the mouth.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@w8t4u
Absolutely fucking this
All this campaigning is literally meant to condition the average prole to live a life of austerity as the rich anticipate the wealth divide to keep growing and the middle class to entirely disappear.
Meanwhile the faggots making statements like this are taking private jets all over the place and are generally far more wasteful than the average person.
This and the 'the west needs to get used to eating insects' shit make me sick. No wonder they're so eager to import third-worlders, they're used to awful conditions so keeping them complacent with bread and circus is cheaper.
Instead of allowing populations to naturally decrease, easing the overcrowding of major cities and making property cheaper, they flood them with more people. Fags like Cameron love preaching open borders and taking in refugees.
Meanwhile a lot of them are anti-nuclear power, something that would actually make life better for people and support a larger population cheaper.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

not a vegetarian
...but cheap meat is a problem. people don't NEED meat, and if they want it, they should be able to pay for it

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Everyone should just switch to an insectivore diet. A lot more efficient than red meat.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Carnalpleasure
Nah the stuff about the "environment" is largely over exaggerated. Irl nature heals quickly. Do you know there are old fucks living in Chernobyl right fucking now?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@MPmaster

Amusing anecdote, amigo. To follow suit, most people who have heart disease, type 2 diabetes and high cholesterol are not eating carbs by themselves. They layer their triple double super mcsuper baconslammer with extra beef between to piece of shit buns. If you want to blame carbs, at least make a constructive argument. Wouldn't expect you to support yourself with a study since you're wrong anyway.

girlDog
girlDog

@Fuzzy_Logic
Are those really big bugs or a small plate?

idontknow
idontknow

@Ignoramus
The self-sufficient farmer is also a hypocrite because their methods can in no way support a large civilized society. Their methods use too much land for too little yield. Saying someone is immoral because they don't follow your own selfish methods is hypocrisy.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@girlDog
really big bugs on a small plate

whereismyname
whereismyname

@MPmaster
What he said is not the whole picture because while factory farming is bad livestock are absolutely necessary for a sustainable agronomy system that doesn't rely on pharma-petro-fertilizer complex

To get rid of fossil fertilizer you need to close the loop and animals don't help there, only human sewage composting can do that. Composting can take care of scrap as well.

The only thing you really need animals for is ez mode diet. Vegan with only local produce would require very careful planning and some technology for supplementation.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Waiting for someone to suggest that we should stop supporting uncontrollable population growth in Africa and let them negroes die if they can't support themselves. To reach climate goals.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

@whereismyname
You literal retard animals close the loop. They mow your front lawn and then shit fertilizer for your garden.

SniperWish
SniperWish

@RavySnake
Trips of truth...

farquit
farquit

Wouldn't going into overdrive eating cows help with climate goals? The problem is shit like Hindus refusing to let cows get slaughtered, so they just eat and fart constantly, which makes up a massive proportion of the methane fucking up the ozone layer.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@PackManBrainlure
m-muh negroes
Fucking faggot. The africunts consume almost no ressources, since they eat literal rat stew due to poverty. Meanwhile we consume as much ressources as billions of them. I hate this kind of scapegoating.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@farquit
The bigger issue is how inefficient it is to raise them. It takes a lot more energy to raise cows than grow crops becuase to raise cows you first have to grow crops to feed the cows. You lose a ton of energy in heat loss from that transfer.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@PackManBrainlure
Just supposed things like cultured/lab-grown meat and developing technology that can better deal with pollution.

eating too much meat and dairy is making us...obese
Losing weight will help with all the other health problems he mentions, and it's not like vegetarian/vegan foods can't be high in calories. You can make cookies with vegetable oil instead of butter and they're suddenly vegan, but it doesn't make them healthier if you're eating 20 of them every day.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

@Illusionz
Just supposed things
support*

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Soft_member
Doesn't a protruding stomach like that usually mean he's on steroids or something?

askme
askme

@Fuzzy_Logic
that looks both inedible and good

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@PackManBrainlure
Another lie.
China and India produce more CO2 than the rest of hte world, we could shut down everything and they'd still produce 80% of the problem.
Don't listen to media telling you we must do shit, it's literally not our problem at the moment.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Fuzzy_Logic
le insect are good meme
then you have to remember half of their mass is chitin, "high in calories" but not digested. And the rest is 50% feces since insects are just a big digestive system on legs.

massdebater
massdebater

@Lord_Tryzalot
Pregnant.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Emberburn
Impoverished countries produce the most environmentally polluting regions.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Firespawn
one of the best directors of all time
less crappy movies
yeah ok guy

massdebater
massdebater

@King_Martha
Is this b8? His movies are normie trash. None of his characters are nuanced or interesting. None of his plots are driven by character development. None of his plots are cohesive or interesting. None of his movies say anything

Playboyize
Playboyize

@PackManBrainlure
Watch this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRmwobXCc4c

around 32:50 is the most relevant

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@massdebater
None of his characters are nuanced or interesting.
Sarah Connor - waitress turned military bad ass. That's not interesting to you? As for nuance, it depends on what your merits are.

None of his plots are driven by character development.
See above.

None of his plots are cohesive or interesting.
While other movies treated it as a gimmick, Terminator raised interesting questions about fate and time travel. It also single-handedly elevated robots from "danger Will Robinson!" to deadly assassins.

None of his movies say anything
Yeah...now you're just trolling. Of course they say something.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Playboyize
Damn this dude hit the nail on the head.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@BinaryMan
Muh turminator is deeeep
Seriously, r*ddit?

Also, blade runner beat him to the Android assassin thing by a long shot. With nuance, class, and actually visually intriguing cinematography.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@Soft_member
Oh fuck off. On the one hand you claim whites are superior to blacks by intellect and Asians by empathy and on the other you think physical superiority over the other races is something to strive for. What kind of war can you envision in the modern era that will remotely depend on the diet of the civilian population.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@Lunatick
You don't give any compelling arguments. I'll go argue with more intelligent people. Later.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@massdebater
normie xDD
neck yourself

5mileys
5mileys

@Soft_member
BTFO this hard
Lol

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

@Lunatick
Blade Runner is the shit, but if you're going to complain about reddit, then I've got news for you.

Methshot
Methshot

@TreeEater
@King_Martha
If you stopped eating meat you'd save enough per year to take a trip to a Greek island and live in a great hotel for a week at least, eating whatever the fuck you want.

The man isn't always working against you, dude.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@lostmypassword
Mostly just memeing anons shallow choice in sci-fi. I'm well aware there's a strong devotion to blade runner on there too.

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Methshot
Meat is the cheapest food and protein source there is dummy.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Oh no, the green revolution is coming to an end and shitloads of people are going to die.

Do not have children, people. None of us are special and we all come from the same shitty place.

The petri dish is getting full.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@Skullbone
You can like terminator and blade runner at the same time, though. Thinking one is superior is the shallow opinion.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@Flameblow
Because its so heavily subsidized. Now that you've proven without a doubt you have no idea what you are talking about, please remove yourself from this thread.

I hate James Cameron, (((Them))), and most of you, but this shit is way out of hand, yeah he's right.

TechHater
TechHater

@Methshot
how much meat do you eat because I'm currently spending less than 10 euros per week in meet so unless I go to Greece by foot you are just delusional.

eGremlin
eGremlin

we
stop acting like I know you or care about anything you do
you aren't my family, or friend, so stop including me as though you know me

humans aren't some kind of "all in this together" collective
the only people you have a responsibility to are yourself and your children until they are old enough to take care of themselves

FastChef
FastChef

@LuckyDusty
Are you baiting ? Of course they have the most polluted land, we won't pollute our own land. That's why we send our discarded electronics to india for example.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@BlogWobbles
I like Star wars and Indiana Jones but I'm not throwing George Lucas in the greatest director category. My point is that James Cameron has never made a movie of serious artistic merit.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@CodeBuns
serious artistic merit.
not worth arguing and even if it was, it wouldn't go anywhere

i, for one, think t2 is one of the best movies ever made. the abyss is pretty good, too.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@ZeroReborn
It would be cheap no matter what. The subsidies make it REALLY cheap, but any animal that's eats grass and makes milk and meat is going to give you a great bang for your buck in terms of calories per dollar and nutrients.

girlDog
girlDog

@Carnalpleasure
Do you think that's an energy efficient loop?

For the record I'm not against keeping animals for toiling or dairy. Only meat. I think we can strike a balance between a completely vegan lifestyle and where we are now. Even if it means a monthly meat feast.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@girlDog
See link here
@Playboyize
It's a lot more efficient than people realize. There is a reason our ancestors invested so much time and effort into ruminates

Flameblow
Flameblow

@Flameblow
What? Cheaper than lentils or grains? No way. Not even cheaper than dairy or eggs. Maybe cheaper than nuts but not in terms of resources, only the efficiency we've engineered due to our consumption.

@TechHater
You're eating a steak a week. Good for you, that seems about sustainable. Most Pepe I know spend up to $100 per week on meat. Saving $3-4000 a year by switching diets isn't that unreasonable.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@PackManBrainlure
why would anyone ever care about any opinion any artist ever has when it is unrelated to entertainment?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Crazy_Nice
It's a lot cheaper to stuff them with corn instead of grass though.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Flameblow
Dude watch the vid. @Playboyize
Meat is highly economical not a luxury food. They make food out of food we can't eat. All of the problems with the modern meat industry are derived from it's reliance on grain. It would follow that going to a more extreme grain model is going to increase our problems.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@Lord_Tryzalot
Yes and no. It's higher yielding but corn costs a lot more than grass even with subsidies. Did you know that the vast majority of beef in the u.s. is primarily raised on open range to this day? And that the animal will typically spend less than a quarter of it's life on a feed lot being grain finished?

JunkTop
JunkTop

@hairygrape
Huh, I did not, that's interesting. I knew that the point was that corn fattened them faster, but not that they only do it at the end.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@Carnalpleasure
They just return the nutrients from the plant matter they ate, composting and earthworms do the same thing.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@JunkTop
Yeah the real efficiency of the beef industry comes from it's complex system of specialized producers. There are producers that breed a lot of cattle then sell em off quick to bottle and bucket guys who will raise em a little bit then sell them to guys who run the big ranges when they are old enough who sell them in big lot auctions off to the feed lots like Harris ranch. Ever wonder why rodeos are still big? Because there is still a community of working cowboys to run all the range cattle. In all likelihood the beef on your plate has been owned by at least three producers in it's life.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@Lunatick
Eat composting and worms then.

5mileys
5mileys

@w8t4u
@cum2soon
I'll watch the video once I'm back on Wi-Fi. But I can guarantee you that eating a lot of meat can never be more economical than plant sources over a large enough population. If you live around a pasturable land that can't be used for farming, then sure but otherwise I doubt it.

askme
askme

@Evil_kitten
Wouldn't the bigger companies want to buy out some of that supply chain for vertical integration?

Evilember
Evilember

@happy_sad
You only need composting for scrap if you don't raise animals specifically for meat, you could feed the scrap to animals too though if you wanted ... but scrap only wouldn't feed a lot of animals.

Point is, animals aren't necessary to fertilize farm land.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

How the actual fuck do you cut out dairy? You have to cut out most sugary things which is fine, but then I have stuff like cereal every day and I don't even know how I could replace them.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@5mileys
Right, you just said it yourself
If you live around rangeland
Do you know how much of the world is naturally supposed to be rangeland? Do you know how many tons of sequestration all that PERMANENT pasture contains? Row cropping is a destructive man-made creation by nature. It
Releases carbon from the ground
Using diesel guzzling machine monsters
Destroys and consumes life from the soil
Uses poisons to kill unwanted plant and animal life
Relies on more diesel guzzling machines to seed, apply fertilizers, and apply poisons.
Rangeland raised ruminates need
Pasture made up of a living community composed of
Diverse local fauna and flora
Soil teaming with microbial life and insect life
It will never die
Is self sustainable
And you receive milk, meat, and hide.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@askme
Land is very capital intensive and you aren't going to make enough extra profit to pay it off at a reasonable enough amount of money. Remember cattle sell in cents per pound so it's not exactly a cash rich business where margins are fat.

Methnerd
Methnerd

@cum2soon
At around 10x the calorie output per acre of pure corn vs corn fed beef it wouldn't make any real difference.

massdebater
massdebater

@whereismyname
Hey, genius, the earth has killed 99% of the living stuff on it.

Polluting, and climate change, and all that? Not helping us at all. Abrupt climate change is terrible for megafauna, have you seen any mammoth recently? Yeah, they were megafauna.

Want to know something funny? Anything bigger than a deer is megafauna. We are megafauna, great apes to be exact. So reenacting the permian-triassic mass extinction, abridged version? Not the smartest idea humanity has had.

Evilember
Evilember

@RavySnake
He's rich and famous, that must mean he is a hypocrite, a thief, a vile creature leeching off the labour and toil of the working man, and hoping to make us weak and subservient so we might never unite and take our rightful place on earth.

The thing that surprises me is that the US right are the ones claiming half of this stuff. Rip irony: 500 bc; 2016 ad

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@Evilember
Full subversion my dude.

idontknow
idontknow

@Emberburn
Meanwhile we consume as much ressources as billions of them

This is the issue. Our lifestyles of clean water, fresh food, electricity, etc. is so polluting so why are we told we have to support them until they're like that too? Africa's population is exploding. Until Europeans found them there was like a few million at a time, now there's a billion south of the Sahara and that number is only rising.

Inmate
Inmate

@Spamalot
What kind of war can you envision in the modern era that will remotely depend on the diet of the civilian population.
Any

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

ITT: people who think there won’t be life after humans

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@idontknow
Read a Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. The gist is that societies have to be adequately sophisticated to go along with the sophisticated technology of industrialization. There can be significant growing pains see ww1 and ww2. Tribal warlords in Africa and the middle East lack the sophisticated institutions necessary to adjudicate conflict without wholesale slaughter and rape.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@massdebater

Reminder you are on Veeky Forums

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Methnerd
Dude lmao. Look at this post@hairygrape
Less than a quarter of a beef cows life is spent on a lot being grain finished. Use of natural rangeland as opposed to destructive corn is a huge difference maker. Corn is the problem less meat and more corn will make our problem worse.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@whereismyname
take a shit in your own living room
yeah payback time, house!
Idiot.

idontknow
idontknow

@King_Martha
This. How many animals destroy their only known livable house and support it wholeheartedly in the name of some deluded idea of progress? Everytime some moron claims human superiority it's just laughable.

b-but we live 10 more years on average now packed together like sardines eating toxic food grown in a dead soil and drinking poisonous water wearing oxygen masks and protection from the sun

We was sure advanced and shite!

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@Methnerd
But I thought commies hated the corporate welfare of corn subsidies?

Also, my sides, we going to kill a ton of the world.

You should see where we export our corn too.
https://apps.fas.usda.gov/export-sales/corn.htm

Firespawn
Firespawn

@Burnblaze
You should see where we export our corn too.
too

Probably into your mouth, Cletus. Don't you have a good ol' fashioned dinner of HFCS marinated corn fed chicken, battered in corn meal, fried in corn oil to eat with your sister tonight in your trailer? Or is she out with Jamal?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Firespawn
All these flavors to choose from and you choose salty? Tu chupas la penge de tu madre, pendejo.

Nothing makes me happier than watching liberal fuckfaces show their sheer hatred for my kind.

And I'm a naturalized immigrant from cuba. XD

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

@Firespawn
Kinda drunk (Shut up, it's thursday and I'm a spic).

You're about to usher in the greatest identity politics you've ever seen. Remember the last time American whites where in a fight to the death? Remember what they did? They fucking figured out how to split the Atom and fucking nuked Japan twice, and had both the resources and the plans in place to drop a nuclear bomb every two weeks on Japan, until they decided to surrender. They used 60% of the nations electricity for this project. They had the means and the plans to drop 2 nukes a month, FOR YEARS, or until the Japs surrendered. And these people who have been shackled by commie thoughts, are the people you choose to piss off?

I'm not even mad, I'm just amazed at the sheer arrogance of the whole situation.

I've never been more thankful in my entire life to be American thanks to Trump (who I voted for) and never been more thankful to be a European Spic. I look forward to serving as a sunterkommando if it means I get to identify commie spics and kill them. That's why I had to leave cuba and whatnot.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@Firespawn
Oh, where art thou, cuck?

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