Language Learning Charts

>Since ancient times every civilization's ruler has the same idea, when people unite under one will they become stronger than the sum of their parts.

>And what do rulers use to bring people together? Language.

So wich language shall we start with Veeky Forums?

Russian. They're clearly winning the culture war rn. Cucked over America and doing whatever they want globally.

I feel pretty sure that wiki was written by people who do not want to read. I see no recommendations on any popular language textbooks, they seem interested in promoting what software and apps work the best.

Shit advice.
You should hold conversations (You can find language partners online and use Skype, shut ins).
You should be listening to music with lyrics in your target language and translating them to yours. Reading newspaper articles with the aid of a dictionary. Also, movies in your target language, both original and dubbed (Russians don't give a shit about lip-sinc, so the dub tends to be more accurate).
Comics are good for starting, since there is enough text to practice, but not so much you will feel frustrated, particularly given the pretty pictures. And particularly when aimed at children, use a simple vocabulary.

>They're clearly winning the culture war rn
Top kek, just no.
>Cucked over America
What is that supposed to mean?

I want to learn French, German, and Russian. However, I feel like this is impossible to learn on your own correctly. Also, it'd probably take me my whole life.

This is all we have minus the incomplete German chart.

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ohhhhhhh you know what it is

>learning a second language
>doesn't know the difference between vary and very

Well blumpf cabinet does look like a bunch of Russian puppets but currently Russian's aren't winning any culture war desu.

>implying

Well these are made by /int/ users, I imagine for most of them English isn't their native tongue.

You could be reading two of those within 10 years. Maybe 12-20 years for all three. People manage it. It is also likely to realize after some time that you do not care for one as much, so it becomes less of a desire.

2ch.hk
tjournal.ru
meduza.io
rbc.ru
daily.afisha.ru
postnauka.ru
arzamas.academy
the-village.ru
gorky.media

There's no consensus on what to learn if you're native English, so I'm just going to learn Latin. I relate with dead people better anyway.

Is it a bad idea to learn more than one language at once?

Fuck anons, I started learning Italian, I fucking love the sound of it but living in NZ it's essentially useless. Should I keep going or move to French?

How would french be useful in NZ?

It isn't honestly but at least I know and work with French, Italian is nonexistent.

>english is my second language
>all learning resources are in english

Feels like I have a handicap here, learning a foreign language in a foreign language.

guve me guide for english lang

>duolingo
>memrise

I would recommend penguin Russian course for grammar but in terms of actually picking up the language in a way in which you can communicate it having a teacher is essential. That or having a Russian speaker who can chat with you and patiently correct you.

I was doing the penguin course on and off for a while and it wasn't until I started doing actual speaking and listening exercises with a teacher that it began to sink in properly.

>Learning monkey latin.

ISHYGDDT.

>he said in French rapebaby language
lmao

What the fuck does that even mean?
Speak english dumbo.

The learning plan is not worth the image it's imprinted on. It's nothing but one person's opinion, and almost certainly a person who has never even reached an advanced level.

The simple reality of what matters when you learn a language:
- time spent on learning the target language
- exposure to target language (input that is comprehensible or on the verge of being so).

There's fucking swedish and no German?

Since you're never done learning a language and maybe want to learn several languages, it's pretty unavoidable.

>free online resources for latin

read through this: chaharrah.tv/chaharrah-depot/arthouse/latin-attachments/latin-book.pdf

and supplement it with grammatical information from either Wheelock's Latin or just free websites around the internet.

Thank you.

In the other hand you also improve your English.

Ehen you learn the vocabulary reading becomes easy.

I'm learning japanese with english resources. All videos and books I've downloaded are in english. It is good, because I'm also improving my english, which is my second language.

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>you know what it is
What, ebic putin memes?

It is probably a bad idea to start two related languages at once, since you might confuse them. Back in my freshman year of college, I took introductory Ancient Greek and introductory Portuguese one semester. Fortunately, learning an ancient language is very different than learning a modern one, so they didn't interfere with each other much. The main result was that I didn't have time to practice my German (in which I wasn't yet very advanced), so that suffered. Afterwards, I focused on Greek and German exclusively, so I forgot basically all my Portuguese, but I got my skills in those two languages very advanced.

I've been studying French 10-15 hours a week since December of 2015, and only recently had I chosen to take a formal class at my college; I started the course five weeks ago.

I'm not particularly happy with how much I've accomplished, but I'm not too dissatisfied as well. I'm not sure where I stand at the moment. I can translate most French text into English without excessive dictionary-flipping, but going from English to French is killing me. My spoken French is inadequate as well.

Can a helpful Francophone critique what I had written in my exam? What can I improve on? I have a few more examples if it'll help the process. I'll repay in language charts for replies.

are Ancient Greek and actual Greek too different?

How do I into German?

I've been using Duolingo but I've felt that I've made no progress.

The best book about language learning I've ever read. Never mind the baity title

I'm not sure if this will be useful, but it reads really awkwardly. The entire thing is "she is ____. she is ____". Try to avoid using Elle so many times, and try to not use words like "belle". My second language is french, but it's janky slang Quebec french, so take my words with a grain of salt. You should probably go and ask your prof.

Greek here. They are not even close. Practically, the ancient greek is a dead language.

How similar is Koine Greek to modern Greek?

Memrise will get you more vocab. Look at frequency lists to see if duolingo has missed anything. FSI and DLI courses provide conversations to translate and audio drills. Practice practice! After 6 months or a year of sticking to your basic materials for an hour or more each day, begin to absorb media without the aid of a dictionary as well.

It's really correct and understandable, even though it is indeed a bit awkward, a bit ''childish", I guess it's the exercice that does this, but without context and your age in the text, I would have said that it was written by a child (again, i dont want to be mean, i know you probably had to say "le prénom de ma meilleure amie est" instead of "Ma meilleure amie s'appelle" and other awkward stuff because you had to show the structures you learnt and be academically correct, even if it removes a bit of "realism". I guess it's the same for every language courses. As the other user said, the répétitions of " elle est" is a bit awkward (sorry for using this word top much, but it's the only one i know to translate "maladroit", my english isn't perfect), but again, you didn't have much choice and the goal was to make correct french, not Proust like descriptions, and it is almost completely correct french (exepct for the few things your prof corrected, but otherwise really understandable). Long story short, you're doing well. I'd give you 2.5~3/3.5 but it really depends on your teacher and the level of your class.
Hope i was helpful
Post some more if you want, but i might not be here anymore. It's late here.

What resources were you using before taking the class?

What's great about it?

Truth be told, I definitely agree with everything you pointed out, but I don't think it'll be an overnight affair for me to improve my prose past its current state. This is why I'm having doubts, because when I was writing this, I knew it sounded childish, and I knew it was incredibly simple and even a little mundane. However, I'm quite happy that I was able to get much of the grammar correctly formed; many of the constructions weren't even covered yet, like object pronouns and l'imparfait.

I'm picking up what you're putting down, and I'll definitely try to find other ways to start sentences. My French writing is incredibly elementary, so I dont know too many ways in which I can alternatively start sentences.

plz someone, toss me books, sites, whatever useful resource to learn japanese

go to /djt/
not sure how it is resource-wise, but it's definitely the most complete section on Veeky Forums

Does anyone here know Latin, and if so vulgar Latin or classical Latin? Does a knowledge of Latin help in learning descendant languages?

Is German Memrise not on Android?

>do 1-2 rows a day

what the fuck is a row in duolingo?

I'm working on Spanish, using RosettaStone (offline) levels 1-5, reading Spanish short fiction and occasionally practicing with my friend from Panama. My dad is fluent. The goal is to b we able to go to Spain, work on a boat/the coast and write, become famous and then go to Mexico to pound thicc latina culo.

Any recommendations on how I could supplement my learning?

We just had a thread about it.

Here ya go bauss.

I have enough free time to study 9-5, how would you structure this time towards language learning?

What langauge? Annenberg media created a great french series called french in action. 52 free 30 minute videos for immersion. Try their website, i think they have series on other langauges. Lingvist, duplingo, memrise, babbel, textbooks, quizlet etc for memorizing grammar and conjugations...written.

Youtube, netflix, 'watch ... online free', etc for immersion and pronunciation...spoken.

lmao who would want to learn Swedish, the language might as well not exist, they all speak English anyways.

Sweden has more refugees than your moms vagina desu.

>they all speak english
Majority does but that still leaves millions of people who don't speak fluent English

Is there an Arabic chart

>can't decide whether to learn French or Russian
>days ticking by not learning either because I can't choose

It uses a ton of empirical evidence about the nature of memory, and goes into language acquisition techniques that most modern books ignore (like minimal pairs). It's very detailed and thorough.

Learn the one that's further from your first language (so probably Russian)

i really don't think people should use memrise, duolingo or rosettastone. it's a terrible way to learn a language, they never cover grammar and vocabulary properly, and introduce a lot of toxic vocabulary natives don't use. stay away from these apps.

Memrise is great for vocabulary

magistrula.com/

Not much closer. I'm not Greek, but I've had Ancient Greek classes with actual Greeks, and what mostly messes them up is case usage and some of the now-obsolete tenses. Both of those are still fairly present in the Koiné.

Does anyone know of any guide books on style in German prose? Not necessarily along the lines of Strunk & White, but at least something that'll give me a better idea of how to compose fluently. I already read a fair amount in German, but I feel like there's only so much I can absorb.

Baise-la.

I'm on an advanced level in Japanese.
I can give you some tips.
First off learn, hiragana and katakana.
If you know how to read hiragana you can start reading children's books, they are usually written entirely in hiragana.
Download lessons from Japanesepod101.
It's a podcast, pretty useful, there is a lot of English in it at first, as you advance there will be less and less.
An other great resource is a free phone app called Obenkyou.
Obenkyou has everything you need, grammar, kanji,hiragana,katakana.
I never used text books, this app had everything I needed.
If you get the kanas down you can start learning kanji.
After that it's all a matter of aquiring more vocab and kanji.
I collect them into an Excel file and then I import them into Anki.
You'll probably need more than 1 hour of study a day if you want to reach some level of proficiency.
After 2 years of learning Japanese like this, I now can read novels with looking the occasional word up in a dictionary, understand pretty much everything and I can talk about a variety of topics.

One thing I forgot to add:
Don't use animes as your main study material.
Nobody speaks like that in the real world, you'll just sound like a weeb nigger.

I am currently trying a method in which I simply pick a novel from a chosen language, a simple one, take The Stranger, for example, then getting the PDF of the original French text, the French audiobook, and the PDF of the English translation, then using Google translate and some "audio-slicing" software, which I use to cut sentences of the audiobook into different mp3 files, and then listening to the sentences and mimicking them out loud until I master the pronunciation and what the words mean.

I reckon I can learn at least a page every week with enough dedication, to the point of being able to read it fluently and enunciate properly.

It's a very rewarding method as well. Being able to immediately start saying entire sentences and knowing what they mean, word by word, is a very satisfying experience, even if the sentence is just a fraction of the language.

I figure, with each new page you learn to read fluently, you will begin to slowly attain a decent grasp and feel of the grammatical rules, and also, less words will need to be learned with each page, since the same words will keep reappearing.

Any german language flowchart?

Post the finnish chart

ありがと ござ売僧、せんぱい。

>ござ売僧
何

What should I read if not manga/VN/so on?

sorry if my japanese is too advanced for you ;)

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汉语说的同志,你们可以建议中文文学?我是中文三年级的学生。我已经看过三国演义(孩子版)和一些故事。

Really good as well
If you want to avoid repeating ''il y a'', you van use ''il se trouve'' (or just ''se trouve'' in this context), or ''se situe''. Only for writing, though, while it is correct, it will make you sound wierd. While speaking, repeating "il y a" is fine, and depending on your audience you even use the contracted form "y'a" (not official don't write it ), and even "c'est" (in this context at least, it does not work if you want to say "il y a un magasin au bout de la rue".
There's also a couple things your teacher didn't correct: " la bibliothèque a trop de livres"; it would be better to say " il y a trop de livres dessus ", otherwise it sounds like your bookshelf owns the books (it's also true that without the exclamation, " trop de livres" means really "too much books", in a negative way, like if you genuinly wished you had less). And " finalement " doesn't translate into "finally". Rather, it really expresses a change in planned actions, like " je ne voulais pas y aller; finalement j'y suis allé" (that's a terrible sentence but you get my point.) So here it sounds like the fact that there's a carpet under your sofa is in contradiction with the rest. I guess it translates into "in the end". In this situation, it's better to use ''enfin''.
Sorry if i'm hard to understand, maybe it's better to speak of it with your teacher

Is chinese (Mandarin, I presume) actually as hard as they say?

You can read manga or VN but learn appropriate Japanese too.
The hierarchy of the speakers is expressed in Japanese to a degree that is unlike any other language.
You'll need to study the rules first to get a feeling for it.
Don't go around in Japan addressing people as omae or kisama,you'll get laughed at.
There is some difference between how men and women speak too, so you may sound like a femboy if you can't differentiate.
I have heard from Japanese people countless times how weebs learned Japanese from anime and how they were confident they are good at the language but sounded like morons.
Imagine that a latino kid learns English from rap lyrics and you get the idea.
The problem is not with anime or manga, the problem is with people who solely learn from anime or manga and don't study the official language.

Ah, I see, thank you.

Yeah. I've been studying for three years and am always upset with my lack of progress. But I can read simple stuff like articles and stories pretty fluently now and hold decent, albeit retarded sounding conversations. I've just had a hard time finding chinese conversation partners that don't flake out.

How much time per day, on average, do you spend?

OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE'S A FARSI CHART
MAMNOON DADASH

check out the /djt/ thread on /jp/. It's very strongly reading focussed and neglects verbal skills but it's excellent for what it is, you'll be shitposting on 2ch in no time.

having a friend who speaks the language is also pretty good. i have two iranian friends that are almost always willing to help me.