How come most people are christians here?

King_Martha
King_Martha

How come most people are christians here?

girlDog
girlDog

no

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

aesthetics

cum2soon
cum2soon

@King_Martha
migrants from /pol/

massdebater
massdebater

@King_Martha
how come most people who care to post about religion or christianity are christians
Have a guess

Techpill
Techpill

How come there are smarter people than me?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

It's the latest meme

Emberburn
Emberburn

Because Christianity is the only religion that can metaphysically justify itself down to first principles. It is literally The Truth.

Evilember
Evilember

@cum2soon
You'll be suprised how divided /pol/ is between religion and non-religion, and everything in between. It is meaningless unless I had data, but from my experience browsing it non-theism is more common.

Firespawn
Firespawn

They aren't actually Christian. They just pretend to be. None of them believe in the afterlife or the literal resurrection of Jesus.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

@Evilember
there are christian generals on a weekly basis in that board

non-theism is more common

you haven't browsed it then

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@TurtleCat
Wrong we don't worship your Jew on a stick, red pills worship our Lord Kek

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@LuckyDusty
we

r/t_D please go

JunkTop
JunkTop

@King_Martha
Feigning a belief in God is more entertaining than falling back on one's actual conviction of depressed existential dread
At least it triggers redditors

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

It's just the pseud version of the kekistan faggots, at least here on Veeky Forums.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@Evilember
/pol/ is still infested with christians lol

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@TurtleCat
I could be wrong. But can you agree that /pol/ is divided on religion? You do get comments like this @LuckyDusty
just not with the Lord Kek stuff

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Most of the people advocating Christianity on Veeky Forums (or any Veeky Forums board) are probably not practicing Christians. They just find the idea of a nebulous yet unified Christianity appeals to them, their morals and/or plan for society.

In short, this @Firespawn
. And I suspect their actual doctrinal knowledge is pretty severely lacking.

Lunatick
Lunatick

@TurtleCat
there is also a paganism general most days and ocassionally a yhread asking if buddhism is the final redpill or some stupid shit. each of these threads have genuine believers and people taking the piss.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@Spazyfool
infested
*tips fedora*

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

@Crazy_Nice
*respectfully tips back*

MPmaster
MPmaster

These are people who attended university courses in subjects such as comparative literature, creative writing, and literary analysis instead of courses in subjects such as mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology, and astronomy.
It is only natural that they would fill their lack of understanding with something based in literature, philosophy, and mythology.

Soft_member
Soft_member

@King_Martha
Because one can only find salvation through the righteous path.
@cum2soon
They're pagans and Fascists.

girlDog
girlDog

@Techpill
Implying a lot there.

cum2soon
cum2soon

@Soft_member
pagans
I almost got into this until I realised it is literally LARPing.

we are barbarians, by Zeus!
yeah, our tribes decide traitors should be shunned!
we drink mead and we converse respectfully like barbarians!
yes, our Neanderthal ancestors (WHO WERE ALL BLONDE LIKE THE ENTIRE EUROPE! YEAH, BROWN HAIR = NIGGER!) believed in reincarnation and they had THE REAL religion!

I mean, I like Paganism, but this cult that spawned on YouTube and /pol/ is retarded, especially since it is based on Varg's ideas and they are absolutely baseless and he has no proof for it other than his wife's blog and book, which are themselves also baseless and lack any evidence.

w8t4u
w8t4u

@Need_TLC
/pol/ isn't divided on religion, they pretty much embrace christianity, kek posting is not a thing any more in /pol/

@Lunatick
most days

No, pagan generals are such a rare occasion and they usually get shitposted by reactionary christians

Playboyize
Playboyize

@Techpill
projection

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

@w8t4u
Could you please stop embarrassing yourself by presupposing the falsehood of Christianity out of turn?

Skullbone
Skullbone

@cum2soon
What are you on about. /pol/ became christian because of Veeky Forums immigrants.

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Soft_member
@cum2soon
/pol/ is actually really pagan

Since when did people start categorizing /pol/ as a pagan board? Go ahead and post anything pagan related and you'll get called a cringey LARPer.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Because athiesm is for fedoras and we are left asking ourselves if there is something more that created this beautiful world.

WebTool
WebTool

@Deadlyinx
k

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

We are straying away from the topic. But I want to write one last thing on /pol/. I don't think there really is a single coherent ideology there. And unless we had access to some kind of data we can't say which one is dominant or not.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@Emberburn
/pol/ is actually really pagan
I never said that. I just said it originated from Varg and his followers on /pol/.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@Emberburn
Every time Varg releases a new video they have a thread on it.

TechHater
TechHater

You see, reddit is atheist. So,

eGremlin
eGremlin

@King_Martha
iN THIS AWFUL DAY AND AGE, A MAN NEEDS A MORAL COMPASS. tHE TEACHINGS OF jESUS OF NAZARETH ARE AS GOOD AS ANY, AND IF EVERYONE SUBSCRIBED TO THEM WE WOULD BRING ABOUT A BETTER WORLD

JunkTop
JunkTop

@DeathDog
1 person makes a thread therefore pagan

Varg is a laughing stock among /pol/acks

whereismyname
whereismyname

We're all world-weary here, but some are cowards too.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

@King_Martha
Because their parents were and they never learned how to be able to separate themselves from the teat intellectually.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

@King_Martha
I unironically think that it's at least 50% due to Gene Wolfe's meme status.

FastChef
FastChef

@BlogWobbles
meme status
If you bother with one fantasy/SF writer, it should be Wolfe.

JunkTop
JunkTop

@BlogWobbles
Lit is the best place to get great recs on philosophy, especially Catholic phil. Wolfe is memed, but not that much and he isn't an author that usually converts people.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@FastChef
He is vastly overrated, Herbert, Lem, Dick all shit on him.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@BlogWobbles
I've no idea who he is except that he writes spaceship books or something and I post here all the time

Supergrass
Supergrass

@Need_TLC
t. His parents were Christian and he still hasn't learned to get over his teenage rebellion phase

Spamalot
Spamalot

@GoogleCat
Herbert
mediocre writer, tv anime-tier philosophizer
Lem
I like Lem but there's no reason to rate him significantly higher than Wolfe
Dick
dude I did too many marijuanas and now I don't know what's real anymore
There, that's the plot of every Dick story

Soft_member
Soft_member

@GoogleCat
Have you actually read Gene Wolfe? Lem is the closest to Wolfe of those three, and I do not understand how you could possibly rate Lem and not rate Wolfe ("Three Storytelling Machines" could be a Wolfe story, for example). I don't even understand what Herbert is fucking doing being mentioned in your post.

likme
likme

@Supergrass
Most religions are same shit/different coat of paint; there's nothing special about Christianity whatsoever. Questioning the religion your parents' indoctrinated you into since birth is not rebellion, it's caring about what you're going to devote your life to.

Methshot
Methshot

@Spamalot
There's more to PKD than that. If you want Wolfe-ian shit think of Rautavaara's Case or A Maze of Death. PKD usually wants to give you the resolution though, and is not half as complex as a writer, whereas Wolfe wants you to figure it out for yourself.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

@MPmaster
STEM can explain everything about the physical world, but nothing about anything transcendent or based in faith and feeling. You can measure the properties of a house someone has built all you want, but that doesn't have anything to do with meeting and getting to know the builder. The power of literature/humanities, on the other hand, is that they let you get at realms beyond the purely physical, search for the meaning behind it by understanding more about how others feel and believe about their experiences of the world, ultimately how they experience God and how you can. I think that's why Veeky Forums tends to have a lot of Christians; not because Christians gravitate towards literature, but because finding the truth in literature ultimately brings you to the truth of God.

StonedTime
StonedTime

@Emberburn
Believing this shite

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

@likme
Most religions are same shit/different coat of paint

Thats objectively retarded

MPmaster
MPmaster

@TurtleCat
Those stopped a long time ago

Soft_member
Soft_member

@TalkBomber
You can do all of the things you described without a belief in God and everything can be explained through through the cold complex logic of the physical universe

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

@Soft_member
Do you come to literature hoping for something that mirrors the cold complex rationality of science or for something greater, something that could give you hints as to maybe what it all means on a level beyond that?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

@MPmaster
no it didn't

cum2soon
cum2soon

@SomethingNew
That search clearly shows its not a real general, just occassional threads

massdebater
massdebater

@haveahappyday
But they are one and the same

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

@cum2soon
i-it's not real general!

ok bud

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@PackManBrainlure
Dude if its not generally there, its not a general. I just did a search in /pol/ and there is none showing

Emberfire
Emberfire

@PackManBrainlure
Who gives a shit go and do something productive

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

There are actually people on a board of supposed 'intellectuals' or worship a dead, middle eastern terrorist who drunkenly got himself nailed to a cross for being a dumbass mother fucker and thinking he could somehow overthrow Roman occupation in Israel
You were all played like fiddles and YOU KNOW IT.

DeathDog
DeathDog

@TurtleCat
Sure, but what else is there?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@TurtleCat
This

FastChef
FastChef

@Emberfire
hit a nerve did I?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@King_Martha
Christianity is by far the most Veeky Forums religion.

@cum2soon

Veeky Forums missionaries have worked hard to combat the heretical pagan and nihilistic elements in /pol/

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

@Burnblaze
generally means 24/7

shifting goal posts again?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

@FastChef
No but you're a boring fucker and even witnessing the crushing penury that your posts convey, personality wise, makes me embarrassed for you

Nojokur
Nojokur

@BunnyJinx
work hard to combat the heretical pagan and nihilistic elements in /pol/
/pol/ is more christian than Veeky Forums

Illusionz
Illusionz

@StrangeWizard
Oh piss off you repugnant fuck

farquit
farquit

@Ignoramus
If you're embarrassed for me, why are you seething?

takes2long
takes2long

Memes for the lulz and since a significant group here is dissafected christians angry about how nonchristian everything is being.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

@Spamalot
Croats get out

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

@Ignoramus
Might want to take a break from the mean internet people champ

Methnerd
Methnerd

@farquit
Seething
I'm not, I'm sipping an ice coffee - it's sunny; very chilled

TreeEater
TreeEater

@TurtleCat
Literally this. Jesus wasn't the messiah, he was just a jackass who talked too much, too loudly in front of his superiors.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@SomethingNew
Let me teach you young'un.
/pol/catalog#s=christian

Emberburn
Emberburn

@Poker_Star
Wasn't me, I love Dick.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

It's the origin of Materialism/Darwinism/Liberalism.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

@Emberburn
I'm sure you do

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

@Gigastrength
No thanks

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Skullbone
Let me teach you

pic related

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@Illusionz
don't worry, I'll pray for you

whereismyname
whereismyname

@GoogleCat
Really? I mean is this where god belongs?

Emberburn
Emberburn

@King_Martha
Because like religion is an ideological cocoon in which to hide oneself to keep the existential uncertainty at bay, literature is an intellectual cocoon in which to protect ones opinions from the same standards of scrutiny actual knowledge of the world normally has to endure.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

@Emberburn
What the hell is actual knowledge of the world?

5mileys
5mileys

@LuckyDusty
YOU CAN'T KNOW NUFFIN YOU CAN'T KNOW NUFFIN

Actual knowledge of the world has given us medicine, mapped the stars, genetically engineered trees which produce many species of fruit on the same branch, and proven that much of religious doctrine is demonstrably false. Play your word game all you want, but good ideas are such because they endure scrutiny. Religion survives because it deals exclusively in what cannot imaginably be proven or disproven, just as literature is mostly framing ideas in play-pretend because you couldn't make them work in real life.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

@5mileys
Actual knowledge of the world has given us medicine, mapped the stars, genetically engineered trees which produce many species of fruit on the same branch, and proven that much of religious doctrine is demonstrably false.

Yeah but all that shit is written in books

StonedTime
StonedTime

@cum2soon
@Emberburn
LARP-ing is such a dumb word. How the fuck can you even being to establish the difference between genuine belief and "role play"? If these people know about paganism and live as according to "pagan principles" (whatever they are), then they are pagan.

Even though the people in the comment section of Varg video seem a bit thick, don't discount them as insincere "LARPers". I'm willing to bet they believe fully in the shit the spout.

LARP-ing to me seems like a word used to denote people who sincerely act in a way I find cringy

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

@kizzmybutt
Fair enough.

eGremlin
eGremlin

@StonedTime
You need to go deeper

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

@King_Martha
/pol/ had a massive rise of religious belief between 2013-2015, with it hushing up due to the refocusing of /pol/ on the election. Other boards that absorbed this thought over time retained it while /pol/ itself got flooded by Redditors who are very influenced by r/atheism.

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Fuzzy_Logic
This is especially notable as religious /pol/ was heavily Catholic. Veeky Forums and /his/ got the most of it.

iluvmen
iluvmen

I would say the vast majority aren't actually Christians, they're just larpers who are mad at liberals and Islam.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

tfw unironically a believer
It sure is getting hot in here

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

@iluvmen
@iluvmen
@iluvmen
larpers

Are you saying that the people on /pol/ conveniently converted to Christianity purely for pragmatic reasons and that they have no genuine faith?

Or are you just saying that you find them cringy?:

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@CouchChiller
He very clearly said the first one

Nojokur
Nojokur

@Burnblaze
Here too, brother.

Illusionz
Illusionz

@PurpleCharger
Yeah but being a by the book Catholic sort of requires you to have some grievances with liberals. Maybe not so much with Islam though.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

@Burnblaze
same yo

King_Martha
King_Martha

@Illusionz
It requires you to have grievances with conservatives, too. Religious views transcend political.

idontknow
idontknow

@King_Martha
Christians of Veeky Forums I would like your advise please.

I want to believe and to become a Christian but at this time I don't truly believe in God, I believe in aspects of God like God has put certain people in the places they are. I do believe that Kings are appointed by God for a reason.

I struggle putting into words what I believe at this time.

I want to be a Christian and I want to believe, I won't lie a good percentage of why I want the above is because I am interested in Christianity.

I don't know how to go about the above, what branch of faith should I join if I can.

My Mother is a Catholic and my Father protestant (He doesn't believe any more)

I don't think I would be able to be a Catholic because I don't believe the Pope is God's voice on earth.

Snarelure
Snarelure

@idontknow
I believe in aspects of God like God has put certain people in the places they are. I do believe that Kings are appointed by God for a reason.

Thats ridiculous and heretical

WebTool
WebTool

@Snarelure
I don't know and I don't understand.

But one thing I do believe in is the Monarchy. That is something I believe from the bottom of my heart

TechHater
TechHater

@WebTool
You sound like a Pagan, there is only one Lord and he died for our sins.

happy_sad
happy_sad

@TechHater
Again I don't know and I don't understand.

I understand that believing Jesus died for our sins is a key point in Christianity but it is not something I am fully understanding off.

I think I believe that Jesus is the son of God and died for which I assume is our sins.

I think my problem with believing is that I believe the aspects around God but struggle with God himself.

I would say I believe in the Son, the holy spirit and the Father I struggle with finding solid ground on what I think.

It's really hard to put into words what I believe and what I don't when I am not sure.

Skullbone
Skullbone

@Sharpcharm
It's a pretty old meme. Besides, /pol/ was a Christian board since the 2012 happening worship died down. Habbening worship died August 2016, but it was a mere shadow of its former self. This is the state of the site.
/v/, /b/ and Reddit influx to /pol/ in 2014 made atheism more prevalent and the post quality shifted sites and boards. Veeky Forums is largely Christian due to the need to know a lot more than the 'enemies'. Where is this knowledge? In what we defend. Our culture, our language, history, tradition, literature, religion...

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

@happy_sad
Start with the Greeks, work your way up to Hegel, it'll all be clearer then

Evilember
Evilember

@Skullbone
/lit/ is largely Christian
lol

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

@whereismyname
The healthy don't need a healer.

FastChef
FastChef

@idontknow
Even if you're open to hearing what the Catholic or any other church has to say in contradiction/interpretation, I'd start by reading the Bible and see where you naturally gravitate. For now just choose a church where you'll be able to be a contributing, active member.
I do believe that Kings are appointed by God for a reason.
This belief is historically based on a misinterpretation of Romans 13. It's nothing to do with God ordaining monarchs (how does the text exclude democratically elected leaders?), it is about how Christians should act in response -- submit to authorities as Paul did (he broke Roman law by preaching the Gospel, but did not violently resist his arrest but submitted to the authorities and used it as an opportunity to preach further).

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Evilember
Obscure words are great when you know that there is a prevalent view. Heck, from a literacy perspective it could be argued that eurocentric thought is Christian.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

@FastChef
Democracy is evil. It sore

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

@FastChef
Democracy spreads the sins of the leadership among all who dwell within its borders.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

@New_Cliche
@Spazyfool
This is a good example of the Christian LARPers people are talking about in the thread. No serious interest in engaging, but they use the religion to meme about whatever nightmare politics they believe in.

Do you go to church, anons? Which church?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

@King_Martha
Christians are pathetic, scared morons, as are all theists.

Spamalot
Spamalot

@FastChef
That is some nice insight there, my Dad has an old King James bible. It has the Scottish deviant of the British coat of arms in the front. I don't know if that means anything other than it is the King James bible.

I will read that I guess, there is a church near me called St Michael the Archangel church. I am thinking of going to a service tomorrow morning.

askme
askme

@New_Cliche
@Spazyfool
Of course. Any system of government which is not God alone sovereign and all humans serving each other in perfect obedience to Him is evil, as are many of man's contrivances in this fallen world. But the fact is that Romans 13 says nothing about that, nor about monarchy or tyranny or communism or any other system, merely submission to the judgement of authority of an unspecific form.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

@Spamalot
King James used something like what you described when he was King of Scotland but before he was King of England, maybe that's why?
Service would be a good idea, make sure to meet the church (congregation) too, before or after (probably tea + biscuits). The fellowship of believers is important in a church.
Bible study may be suited to you too if they have one, in my experience they're not under the assumption that attendees are believers/seekers/atheists/whatever and they're not pushing to convert anyone (when someone is already willing to turn up to a study, Scripture can do rest of the talking) (although I've always attend uni-student-heavy studies so I don't know if this is true with more established congregations). It's a good way to get to know how to read and interpret Bible passages yourself.

whereismyname
whereismyname

@MPmaster
unironically believing this.

you were raised a protestant, weren't you?

Nojokur
Nojokur

@GoogleCat
I mean he used a coat of arms like that, not a Bible.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

@GoogleCat
@Nojokur
This is the picture after looking at it

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

@AwesomeTucker
My bad shit take

5mileys
5mileys

@King_Martha
Christianity hates women, just like the beta nu's that come here.

Inmate
Inmate

@Spazyfool
Democracy spreads the sins of the leadership among all who dwell within its borders.

Thats a good thing, it forces people to take moral responsibility for their state

TreeEater
TreeEater

@5mileys
A Woman has the title "Queen of the Universe", is thought to be the greatest human ever that wasn't also God
Women treated much better than under paganism (source: Schopenhauer, who really hates women)
Female monarchs were a thing, had actual power to a great extent
Modern feminism started with liberal British Protestants that took things too far
Hates women

Booteefool
Booteefool

@StonedTime
Until I found one of them posting webm of them sacrificing a child to the demons they worship, then I find no reason to call them something else other than LARPers.

girlDog
girlDog

@Booteefool
I'd still call them LARPers even then tbqh

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

@happy_sad
It's really hard to put into words what I believe and what I don't when I am not sure
Most people of faith then. Everyone has struggled at some point one way or another. Also, God didn't appoint any kings.

hairygrape
hairygrape

@King_Martha
They aren't.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Veeky Forums in general is filled with people who claim to be X whilst knowing next to nothing about X. It is the same here.

From my experiences here however, I have found 'Catholics' (atleast, those professing to be Catholic) to be the most insufferable people to be found. It would probably be better if there were less Christians on this board, so I wouldn't have to read their horseshit.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Me? I want to go to heaven

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Bourgeois scientism is a bitter gray pall that never actually provides any joy, only trains you from birth to think there's nothing else, and that time-killing mindless hedonism is "joy"

People inevitably turn toward spiritual and mystical possibilities as they gradually realize this, and the Christianity is objectively the best and truest religion. Some people turn to Buddhism or Hindu mysticism instead, but they are slightly harder to get into, and most Westerners realize that Buddhism in particular doesn't fit the Western soul.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

@RumChicken

I found you to be found

happy_sad
happy_sad

@King_Martha
How come most people are christians here?
because its an easy to understand monotheism cosmology with an extremely low barrier to entry practiced by most religious English speakers.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

larping is popular

lots of people post the posts, read the theology, and bash on non-believers, yet don't go to mass

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

@TurtleCat
Mass is the most LARPing event there is

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

The stench of stale fedora still lingers amongst the heads of many of these nu-christians.

SniperWish
SniperWish

I was raised Christian but dropped it around college, became Buddhist.

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