Convince me to read Marxist literature and become a Marxist as a white guy

If you're competent enough to play the capitalism game, then it's in your best interest to ensure its survival even if you're currently poor. If you honestly asses your abilities and opportunities, and realize that you and you're family are going to stay poor forever, then you can fuck with Marxism.

youre still not using the surplus value produced by your laborers.

you know, you really should read the material youre trying to shit on.

gas the tripqueers user war now

I don't know. its not the 1920's anymore

This. There's no 'alienation', 'exploitation', and 'poor people' anymore. Only leftist cucks whose brains don't work gravitate to marxism

Marxism is a jewish ideology or thought system designed and structured in opposition to you. Becoming a Marxist as a white guy makes no sense and is essentially like wearing an "I'm stupid" sign on your back.

I don't know what you mean. Take my question at face value. I just want your take on what Marxism can give me? I'll read the literature once I've had a taste.

You are an idiot. Get off this board if you just want to preach your far-right bile.

You can go to socialist alternative meetings and political rallies to get pussy

Try Kevin McDonald's Culture of Critique and Hitler's Mein Kampf if you want to know the truth of bolshevism. If you like Marxism it's like you have poop inside your brain

Mein Kampf is some of the worst literature I have ever read. No thanks on your other suggestions if it's grouped with that gunk.

Yeah, there's less time left for us to live on this rapidly used up planet that we can't just skip to the next one.

I don't care what you call it or yourself, but people need quickly figure out that the modern world's setup is incredibly fucked up and left the way it's going will only result in our extinction.

Capitalism is the force that's instilled greed and sociopathic behavior as normal, desirable and the new morality. And no, returning to Christ or whatever theism (Including Trotskyism) isn't the answer either. Rise up as individuals, but individuals that can work in collectives, take your world from the snotty kids and their bully protectors. Drop the phony rewards of capitalism, the spook of wealth in money, bring that übermensch into the real world.

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Just read Marx and decide for yourself desu, no one here is going to sum it up as well as Marx himself. The Manifesto is his "easiest" work but it's also probably the least important in terms of Marx's thought (it's very influential historically though). Read the German Ideology.

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>a tribal cannibal in new guinea and a factory worker in france have more in common than a factory worker in france and a shopowner in france
This is what communiggers believe.

>tribal cannibals in new guinea practice capitalism

makes u think

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Nice

socialism is fucking worthless without some form of nationalism

the multicultural socialism that is part of modern marxist thought is a fucking disaster sentence for almost everyone. this is not even /pol/ tier, it's basic logic.

You're brain is damaged. There is no such thing as a nation.
Read Stirner, Hitler youth.

It's only shitty for white people. It's not shitty for the mud people who are storming the gates to take white people's resources and rent seek off of institutions only white people can build.

>who are storming the gates to take white people's resources
With the help of the Sauds the whites are taking their resources.

All this wouldn't have happened if we had abandoned capitalism in the 30s, you dumb freaks.

They sell their resources; whites are giving theirs away. Big difference.

Though let me add that I'm glad you come around here and give these stupid ideas of yours such a laughable whirl in the public space. You do more damage to the side blaming abstract ideas like capitalism instead of the people responsible than I ever could. Good work.

First step to becoming a good Marxist is to kill yourself

>superstitiously treating technocapitalism as a natural manifestation of some vague liberal jeffersonian crypto protestant ideal complete with a God ie. 'muh invisible hand' that rewards proles for adhering to muh protestant work ethic instead of an hostile AI from the future assembling itself out of dead labor.

you primates are so quaint. 'libertarians' are merely the folk american version of melanesian cargo cultists.

t. temporary embarrassed millionaire

Have you ever experienced alienation, an existential crisis?

>he doesn't want to crack open natural teleology and the continuum of linear time itself

>as a white guy
>What's in it for -me-?
A diminished standard of living.

Unless you're a successful business owner or make money off of stock, capitalism is not working for you. Doesn't matter your race or nationality or religion. You still have to worry about credit and a mortgage and wage stagnation and live at the hand of your employer.

A transition toward a cooperative economy, in which industry is socialised and wage labor is abolished, means you now own the fruits of your labor and have no boss but the public, of which you are part. Your labor does not go to benefit your specific company but instead your entire community. You will have a shorter workday, better living conditions, more control over your own labor, and automation will mean vacation rather than elimination.

The only group of people who have something to lose from the abolition of capitalism are the capitalists. The vast majority of people, in almost every country, are proletarians oppressed under the thumb of capital whose lives are made brutal by its demands. Socialism offers an alternative, and to deny this alternative is to deny your class and fight for the property owners instead.

i'm more worried about transgenders than about capitalism, honestly. the left would just give power to the transgenders and the sjws, groups known for being hostile to white people

Your instincts are right. The issue is not capitalism or the system, it's the (((group))) making the bulk of the decisions about how those are run.

Sure but who gives a fuck about "the left"?

Communism is made by proletarians, not a few thousand overzealous activists who have little real-life influence outside of angry meetings at liberal arts colleges. Many self-proclaimed socialists are just liberals who recognize that wage labor oppresses people alongside racism or sexism, and are isolated in bubbles totally divorced from the real international movement of proletarians.

Being a communist isn't about biting your nails because a president made a racist comment or even protesting the financial sector in the streets. It's the recognition that the capitalist mode of production is destructive and unsustainable and that through its abolition a better world is possible.

fact: communists are just useful idiots for the jewish transgenders

You must sacrifice yourself for the good of the proletariat because reasons, goy

Jews have a disproportionate position in global capitalism thanks to their prominent role in Western history, but certainly don't control capitalism. Killing every Jew, as you might wish to do, would do nothing to curb the exploitation of capitalism except allow some major banks and businesses to take on a new, non-Jewish leadership.

Of the 20 latest economies, which amount to roughly 3/4 of the world's GDP, only the US, UK, France, and Russia have noticeable numbers of Jewish people in prominent positions. In these four countries the vast majority of capitalist leaders are not Jewish and in the other 16 there are practically no Jews at all.

Kantbot, don't you have better shit to do than to post on Veeky Forums?

Jewish trans people do not run the world

>sell me on far-leftism
>REEE GET THAT FAR-RIGHT BILE OUTTA HERE

sound's like you've already been sold, m88

Fuck off, most white guys are part of the proletariat

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize''- George Orwell, probably.

Your life is less comfortable and fulfilling than it ought to be thanks to the pressures of capital

Socialism, as in the global movement away from capitalism, allows you to change that and fully realize the products of your labor and enjoy a more emancipated existence

whoa I didn't realize the world is run by pregnant women and kids with cancer

>the world is run by pregnant women
Not too far from the truth tbqh
>you came in me, now I get to take half of your property

There is no more proletariat in the west you dumb commie, they've been replaced by a universally lumpenproletariat whose votes are bought and paid for by an hereditary political elite that preaches marxism and redistributes the wealth of the middle classes (mostly to themselves and their peers, partly to buy miscreant votes) while obeying the edicts of "progressive" and "forward thinking" international billionaires to replace both middle and proles with ignorant foreign subsistance-farmers. Oh yeah, and there's also bourgois pseudo-intellectuals who like to wear ski masks and throw trash cans through the windows of small businesses in the name of the "working class" whose organizations are directly funded by billionaires.

Get your head out of your own ass

bad bait

Don't be a Marxist. Three acres and a cow for every individual.

Not who you're replying to but why?

There's nothing remotely Marxist about American politics. To suggest this shows a complete lack of understanding.

The United States is a predominately proletarian country. While we're less proletarian than others, given the substantial chunk of our population which makes their money from stocks and bonds, most Americans are wage workers who perform socially necessary labor for a price low enough for their employer to make a profit.

Because you bought the cultural Marxism lie, you believe that cancerous liberal politicians have something to do with communism. They do not. We hate people like Soros and Clinton just like you do. Difference is that we recognize that these figures are just the progressive face of a global capitalist system, rather than some unique moral evil from whom all our problems emanate.

t. bugman
t. bugman

because you sound like an exaggerated parody of a conservative from /pol/

If you're actually sincere you should be able to recognize that liberal free trade and immigration policies are not anticapitalist but instead a set of measures undertaken by the ruling class to preserve and heighten their status

bugman, bugman, bugman

none of you are free from the bug curse today

You get to be a sophist on the internet.

do you wanna be trampled by the march of history?

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It's a lot more complicated than that. The policies and approved standards of "capitalism" everywhere are not really set at the national level and are controlled largely at the international level through institutions that jews use as proxies for control. There is also the matter of central banks that issue national currency, have governments beholden to debt, and are therefore able to have a say in how capitalist policies are managed within the nation. And then there is an overarching culture that provides further incentives.

People's misunderstanding of what "capitalism" is is borderline ridiculous at times on here. Capitalism is whatever we want it to be and can work on whatever scope we want it to. It functions through incentives, which is why every major corporation goes along with a liberal/globalist agenda: that zeitgeist is providing its incentives. You change the incentives, you change what capitalism looks like. If you instill a culture of pro-whiteness, develop a western-only trade block, and allow policy to be made by nationalists who have the long-term interests of their people at heart instead of alien parasites who want to enslave the goyim, then "capitalism" will look much, much different.

Capitalism is not the problem, jews are the problem; the capital system is set up to work in jewish interests instead of White's interests; make it start working for white interests and people will no longer view it as some abstract evil entity corrupting society but something generally beneficial that is helping to promote a healthy society devoid of jewish sickness.

What do creatives and artist have to gain from Marx? As a painter, under capitalism I have been able to spend the majority of my time pursuing and developing my creative interests independently, while making a disproportionate return on my labours by selling my art, which is the product of those labours. I find my situation to be both highly acceptable and fairly autonomous and it's all thanks to the art market, which I fail to see existing in a communist state.

Thanks for making me cringe

What I learned from this thread:
>Jeff is a liberal dimwit
>butterfly is the true queen of Veeky Forums

>race
>genetic
pick one

>Marxism.
Why? It has failed for 200 years and it's main theses have been debunked thoroughly, either by critiques or Communist establishments.

At the time those people had no excuse, but you should know better

It's pretty much just positivism and militarism (during the socialist phase), so lots of people could get into that here. You can still be a racist arsehole as a Nazbol, or you can go full agorist as an anarchist druggie. Up to you.

>A society is an expression of the genes of its population.

Explain North and South Korea then.

The failures of the Soviet experiment don't debunk Marxism any more than Leonardo's failed flying machines debunk the belief that human flight is possible

It's an important to understand where socialism went wrong. Marxism is a doctrinal system masquerading as some sort of quasi-science that promises utopia if everyone follows it. Communism isn't the necessary progression of capitalism, death is. We will never have le ebin socialist revolution unless we make it a point to rid ourselves of the hegemony that perpetuates it first. At no point will society just arbitrarily decide to move forward with the powers that be which are content in their own self-preservation still existing.

>no point will society just arbitrarily decide
Let me be clear. Society can decide but that decision will not result in its intention.

>Marxist
>literature

Pick one m8

>Marxism is a doctrinal system masquerading as some sort of quasi-science that promises utopia if everyone follows it.

Right. But one must see it in terms of the wider scope. Christianity, communism, and liberal multiculturalism more or less share the same utopian vision and attack non-believers in the same fashion; and it's no coincidence that these were all either developed or heavily promoted by jews. These are jewish ideological systems that have been foisted upon whites because they are universalist and therefore enable jews to find free range from within which they can operate and exploit their host. While we're bogged down enforcing dogma to abstract, universalist principles, the parasite is freely eating away at us and pilfering our nations.

Marxism is not for you. It's not for anyone. It has caused death and destruction in its wake and it cannot find the success of capitalism, ever.

>Communism will work this time! says increasingly starving man for the 50th time

What if I wipe her ass and tie her shoes?

I would like to purge myself of abstract notions as well. First, I will start with the ability to distinguish between objects. Now that I do not know the difference between bread and garbage, one can say that I am more "free" of the parasite telling me to eat particular forms of food. Clearly the result of an abstract, universalist principle. I'll try to come up with further abstractions that have been plaguing my mind after I'm done sifting through trash.

>What's in it for -me-?
Nothing. Your views in your head don't change the world around you in anyway.

I am far from a Marxist but I don't think it makes sense to frame his writings in a predominantly race-based way.

It's not like Marx was writing "for the blacks" or "for the whites" or anything, he was trying to describe capitalism and construct a historical dialectic based on class conflict. Framing his writings in terms of race is kind of anachronistic.

It's like asking "should I read Adam Smith, as an iPhone user?" The fact that you're white has no direct bearing on the reasons for reading it or your intellectual response.

>your far-right bile.
you are retarded if you think factory labor in the west is as bad as it used to be in the past century

Making sure the light on the machine is green and not red is easier than factory work a hundred years ago but I wouldn't call it better.

You'll lose weight.

There is no such thing as surplus value. It's a non-empirical assertion that exists only to justify theft.

The only people Marx was writing for were parasites like him, and the only thing Marxism was ever used for was the benefit of the parasitic Jewish nation of which Marx most ironically wrote negatively.

Bakunin was right.

Someone gets it. To understand Marx, you have to understand the jew and how the jew thinks. Communism was a set of in-group instructions to world jewry about how to mobilize poor people against the European elite so jews could fill the power vacuum. Jews aren't idealistic in the European sense, everything they do is intended or designed to increase their own tribal power. It's just how their brain functions. Idealistic white people who think they're making the world better and more "equal" (under Christianity, communism, and liberalism) are the useful idiots carrying out the jews' plans for them.

>What's in it for -me-?
Absolutely nothing in the modern day. Old school Marxism is dead (despite the protestations of internet commies) so you'll just end up hanging around third-worldists and neoliberals. You should still read him though, both to know your enemy and for his influence.

>to know your enemy
nice slip u got there boi

Well, obviously OP is either adversarial or skeptical toward Marxism. I can't say that I care for it either but hey.

I can no longer tell whether these kind of posts are supposed to be ironic. If they're sincere then there's a giant mass of people on Veeky Forums with quite serious delusions. Surely that can't be the case.

race is a biological fact produced by evolution

no you don't get it
Marx wrote ''On the Jewish Question''
maybe you would want to read it before thinking he seeks to defend the interests of jews. INb4 he does it unconsciously !

Well, you can see here that the mere mention of Marx will trigger nazis so hard, so if you are into that it's worth it.

If you are just curious start with Terry Eagleton's Why Marx was Right. It's basically the easiest book on Marxism there is, and while it softpedels a lot of the hard political stuff, it will at least make the arguement that even if Marx isn't right, the points and critiques he makes are worth taking seriously. Alex Callincos' The Revolutionary Ideas of Karl Marx will give it to you from the perspective of an activist, rather than an academic.

If you want a basic take on his view of economics Mandel's Introduction to Marxist Economics is very short and good.

Other than that, if you want to read Marx, orderwise I'd say;
Pt. I of the German Ideology, he lays out the basics of his theory of history, something which will be foundational for everything afterwords.

Wage Labour and Capital, is an easy first pass at his economics.

I personally think there is nothing in the communist manifesto that isn't better said else where, but i guess for its historical value read that.

The Preface of Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy reiterates his materialist view of history.

Then Capital. Make sure you get the penguin editions. While for most Philosophy Penguin is the last place you want to go, their Marx collection is made of new translations which are regarded as by far the best in English.
Capital is not nearly as difficult as people make it out to be, it's just long. The first few chapters aren't the easiest but after that it's really not a bad read.

If you need help along:

Ben Fine's Marx's Capital

Michel Heinrich's An Introduction to the Three Volumes of Capital

The YouTube Lectures from David Harvey on Capital.

Rubin's Essays on the Labour Theory of Value and Brunhoff's Marx on Money are great for those particularly difficult bits in Marx's Theory.

I like you

I'm a run of the mill far-right /pol/tard but damn this sounds appealing to me.

Abolishing the international capitalist class was half of what far rightists wanted to do.