Tfw you realize ironic culture is a product of a mass produced America and you cannot make a connection with foreigners...

>tfw you realize ironic culture is a product of a mass produced America and you cannot make a connection with foreigners because they're too sincere and don't get memes

>foreigners
>sincere
lmao do you even know what water is my man?

David Faggot Wallace

What crippled DFW was clearly his anglo-analytic education.
Philosophically, he's reinventing the wheel, trying to make sense that had been analysed with much more depth and clarity by continental philosophy and critical theory.

He's a compelling fiction writer though.

*make sense of things

I will never not laugh at the greatly deserved ridicule of this hack fraud. Why bother reading someone who couldn't even live with himself? The only sincere moment in the life of David Foster Wallace was when he kicked away the chair. The rest of his life was a lie, the New "Sincerity" was a joke whose punchline was the creaking of a leather belt around the rafter.

His literary career was a menagerie of self help lies told to keep his depression at bay - the audience pussy and drugs were the ghosts at that feast of hypocrisy. The depression was warranted because behind all the gimmicks and the self awareness and the bandannas was no discernible talent

Did Dave like Jazz?

I guarantee David knew more of Continental philosophy than you. He references an essay on Hegel in the first chapter of IJ for fuck sake

>references hegel once

heh, looks like i'm a continental expert now

No, but he did like Huey Lewis and the News

I learned recently about a video-game term that teenagers these days throw around: "overpowered," or "OP" for short. If a character type in a competitive video game is inordinately more powerful than the others, then it is "overpowered"; the game as a result is deemed "unbalanced," and fans will complain on forums that the developers have delivered to them a swift "slap in the face." It's an interesting metaphor. Life, of course, is no game, and it's a truism that it isn't fair. But every once in a while we get a striking reminder of how unevenly Mother Nature distributes her gifts. Take the literary world for instance. By any measure, David Foster Wallace, the author of the acclaimed novel Infinite Jest, was overpowered. If he were a class in a role-playing game, then you wouldn't hear the end of the complaining. When it came to the writing of fiction, Wallace blew his competitors—historical and contemporary both—out of the water. To borrow another term from video gaming, it's fair to say that he "owned" them. When Infinite Jest hit book stores in February 1996, the title's two words were in the mouth of every serious reader in America; every living writer, however, was faced with a different pair of words: "Game Over."

>than you
Are you some kind of spastic? Not that user, but he wasn't comparing his knowledge to the autist's. He's comparing the autist to better - or, should I say, actual - philosophers. I know it's hard to think when you're deep in the water, but try to focus for a couple of seconds before posting.

I guarantee I'm less of a spastic than you are

How do I start writing like this? I want to make an entire ironic, fake book from the persona of an out of touch baby boomer.

It's speculation whether he read such and such or not, but his early focuses of interest were clearly Wittgenstein and formal logic (Broom of The System).
The bigger point is that DFW's social and aesthetic critique is, to say the least, not nearly as profound as thinkers before him who were more or less fighting the same battle. I don't see the point in reading him except for his literary value, since his philosophy is shallow and we've stronger alternatives.

You might think so, and perhaps you're right, but it's not an accomplishment, you know. You're still a spastic and you can't float.

Whatever, user is correct.

>tfw you realize ironic culture is a product of a mass produced America and you cannot make a connection with americans because your a foreigner and they think you don't get memes so they're too sincere because they think your too sincere.

He's beloved because of his blogger writing style. I had a great time reading Infinite Jest. Good Old Neon is good, too. His reputation as a profound thinker is propped up on the backs of easily influenced college students who get swept up in his voice and mistake it for profundity. The ideas themselves are abysmally shallow and self-indulgent. I think he was aware of this, both of how it crippled him and stunted his focus. His work is significant for being a reflection of the cyclical anxieites plaguing many people today. Beyond that, however, I dont think he'll endure. He's a stylist, not a poet or philosopher.

>You can't make connections with foreigners because of memes
*Deeply rooted ethnic and cultural differences

Culture and ethnicity are memes themselves

You could say, anything you don't like are just spooks almost.

t. Butthurt /pol/ ideologue

Americans *literally* have a reputation in Europe for not getting irony. No idea where you got this idea from.

>when Americans claim they do irony

>Europeans don't realize when they think Americans don't get irony we're actually being ironic

Git gud

I took acid and got freaked out because my friend weren't being sincere about, seemingly, ANYTHING they were saying and so all language lost all meaning and I was alone. Dave warned me, I was prepared for it, and so I made it out okay but shit could have gone bad and I felt the anxieties he must have felt too.

Yeah tell me about it.....

Was learning russian a visited a girl in st. petersburg for a week. Obviously knew all the swearwords and how to grammarly apply them correctly... So jokingly I kept referring to her as the male version of a retard when she goofed or did something funny. Ended up with her crying that I thought she was masculine...

Fucking hell what can you do when normal people don't get your twisted sense of humor.

>Fucking hell what can you do when normal people don't get your twisted sense of humor.

Embrace it

Is she hot?

I mean I did keep cracking some perfect one liner nazi jokes.

Hadn't realized that the entire lot of them were at least part jewish...
Didn't stop me though

you bet.

Looks like Ivanka mixed with Chloe

How does one go about finding hot Russian girls to stay with for a week in St. Petersburg?

>be white
>don't be born in the third world

One has to go to school and study it and then make a trip with your buddies to a sister school.

Or alternatively get familiar with young fashion trends on vkontakte. Basically Veeky Forums without all the useless crap. Russians are really hospitable as long as you aren't weird. You can get pretty far with being pseudo literature fanatic with black polo necks and some hipster glasses. Alternatively work out.

Oh and if you really want to impress them, grow your hair out. My friend who's a solid 9 has curly shining black hair which he grew to neck length.

People would genuinely be so impressed by it that they would touch it and talk about it.

What the fuck? Is this some kind of ruse?

t. Butthurt leddit ideologue

what do you mean.
Get on with it. A real cultural enrichment waiting for you.

You don't know what ideologue means, brainlet of ideology

/pol/ is reddit

The fact that you say "leddit" proves you're a 13 year old who plays video games

I believe he also said something like Camus was influenced by Kierkegaard moreso than most think. I know it was from the mouth of a character, but that's some glaring bullshit

T. Leddit ideologue
T. Projecting leddit ideologue

>Says that culture and ethnicity are spooks
>"N-no you're reddit!"

>this thread

I don't know if you realize this but reddit is right wing as fuck these days.

Their era as a trendy liberal hub are long over.

>Leddit is right wing as fuck these days
>The mere existence of people who are center right means that they are no longer a shitlib hub
Pretty sure /r/socialism still exists, user. They're the normie website, and normie "conservatives" are just liberals from 20 years ago, and they don't even make up the majority their unless /r/the Donald actually became so popular it dwarfed the site? They also banned the alt right subs and ban people for having right wing opinions beyond "I like guns and Donald Trump"

>but reddit is right wing as fuck these days.

>dfw

Why is this the first time I've seen this

/r/socialism
>112,543 subscribers
/r/the_donald
>493,562 subscribers

Not to mention saying it's not right wing because /r/socialism exists is like saying 4*2chan isn't right-wing because /leftypol/ exists.

I use reddit, I would know.

Bernie Sanders campaign was the last stand of liberal Reddit. It's all Trump memes and apolitical non-voters now.

...

I just went onto the politics board and basically all the threads were like titles of John Oliver videos with one unironically linking an article from shareblue. The replies were all in tandem with the titles
The other user was right, you're been sipping the kike juice too long

>What crippled DFW was clearly his anglo-analytic education

What you meant was autism

> reddit is right wing as fuck these days.

That's because the people who want to yell about niggers and Muslims go to /r/worldnews comments instead.

There is /r/socialism, /r/anarchy, countless leftist boards that go on unperturbed there. Just because the overton window everywhere has shifted to the right since the election doesn't mean leddit is a conservative bastion.

Most of these "kekistani" fags are just liberals LARP'ing as conservatives because they are pro"nationalism"

great posts. i loved dfw when i was in high school, but by the time i was in my later years of college, i had read enough theory to see how shallow his attempt at philosophizing was. pretty much all the Big Ideas about entertainment and the detachment it creates that Wallace labored over so much in IJ can be found explained better in the first ten pages of society of the spectacle. when it comes to wallace's grappling with postmodernity, he only reaches as far as being able to articulate a juvenile list of complaints: "Irony was only cool when underground novelists did it, now burger king commercials have made it tacky." "wahh how am i going to write a groundbreaking novel when postmodernism has already absorbed every style?" "Postmodern life makes it so hard to find meaning."

wallace made a big fuss about trying to solve these problems and spent his entire career spinning his wheels by tortuously reiterating these points at every turn. what he never seemed to realize is that better thinkers have used this dissatisfaction with modernity as the starting point to discovering what powers man still has in late capitalist society. though wallace seemed well versed in at least one continental thinker in derrida, he never was able to absorb the playfulness of derrida's style and instead aped the jargonous diction without any of the winking humor underlying derrida's approach. this is the irresponsibility of wallace as a thinker: he paints the conditions of postmodernity in ghoulish terms and leaves the reader to fight the battle. "hey, here's 1,000 pages of every way society makes it difficult to emotionally connect with one another, but the real answer to life is that you gotta make your own meaning and love the little things, even if that sounds cheesy, haha." it's cynical. he gestures to this beyond realm of "sincerity" relentlessly assuring you it's there, but never has the skill to conjure the feeling of what this state would be like. some thinkers remain bitterly in the realm of analysis without ever describing anything higher, but they are at least honest about it--baudrillard is such a writer. though wallace was smart enough to sprinkle in the names and theories of continental thinkers trendy in the 80s and 90s in order to appear well versed in the Problems of His Time, he has such little awareness of the economic and political conditions of postmodernity that you know he has little familiarity with the philosophers that an actually educated person is thinking of when they refer to "postmodernity."

>Americans
>Understanding irony

Give me a fucking break.

look up wallace's library at the university of texas. in terms of academic texts, he has a sizable collection of analytic works while the continental thinkers in his collection are mostly limited to literary theorists. in studying "postmodernism" as a concept, he had a myopic novelist's view, limiting his engagement with the continental tradition to the cherry picking of bits and pieces of philosopher's "theories." (this of course is a terrible way to approach any thinker--as a patchwork of theories that can be effortlessly lifted and applied to different applications of thought.) while i won't fault him for preferring the analytic approach to philosophy, it's fraudulent of him to write so much about "postmodernism" as a concept while demonstrating so little working knowledge of the massive about of literature that has been written on this subject. he stays at about the second year of graduate school level but postures as the tormented genius.

but if you look at any of his interpretations of wittgenstein, you see that he's an execrable interpreter of philosophy. ultimately it infested everything he wrote. ya hate to say it but bloom was right: "He can't think."

There's also /r/conservative, /r/libertarian and countless other right-wing boards on reddit doing just fine. But what is your point?

>Most of these "kekistani" fags are just liberals LARP'ing as conservatives because they are pro"nationalism"
Oh, so they're not "true" conservatives?

>But what is your point?

That one side is clearly way more abundant than the other. Even Conservatives on reddit are just Jewish indoctrinated centrists

>depth and clarity
>continental philosophy
spew

But it isn't. /r/socialism is the biggest far-left subreddit there is by far and all 2/3 of the ones I've listed are bigger than it, with /r/conservative only being a few thousand subs shy. Radical leftists are one of the smaller demographics of reddit, not the dominant one.

>Even Conservatives on reddit are just Jewish indoctrinated centrists
Yeah and /leftypol/ thinks /r/socialism are a bunch of weaksauce liberal centrists too. But the Overton window of chan sites is not the Overton window of real life.

>"true" conservatives?
Not really, no. Libertarians aren't inherently right wing either btw. Conservatives today were what liberals we're 20 years ago, and if we continue that trend then the conservatives of tomorrow will be the liberals of today.

Their is nothing reactionary or conservative about promoting extreme egalitarianism. Right wingers in the US are mostly just right leaning liberals

If you're going to pull the "there's left libertarians too" card, I should not need to point out those are not the libertarians /r/libertarian is for. It's for the right wing kind.

Also the definition of conservative
>averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.
>(in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas.
This is what those subs are all about, in this time equal opportunity is decidedly a traditional value. What you seem to think "conservative" is would be better described as "reactionary".

Kindly kill yourself reddit

>he wants to make fun of my generation
Are you one of those millennials?

What a profoundly stupid post.

>favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas.
>Free Enterprise
>Private ownership
>"""""Conservative""""""

Wherever you got that definition from is confusing liberalism with actual conservative values. Those are all liberal ideals. Individualism and free Enterprise is literally how liberalism started.

You guys are smarter than DF dubs, I'll give ya that.
But you'll never sell as many books.
aaaaaaaaayyyyyyy

Glad to know the good folks at /pol/ know better than the Oxford dictionary.

> Individualism and free Enterprise is literally how liberalism started.
Except here's the thing, individualism, capitalism and free enterprise have been around for centuries. If conservatism in your view is going back to before that it is no longer conservatism, those views are extreme radical reactionary views. It is no longer about being averse to change, it about wanting to change things back to a way they historically were.

>unironically citing the dictionary

I can only imagine what a fat little cocksucker you are

That's okay.

>individualism, capitalism and free enterprise have been around for centuries.
>Centuries
Classical liberalism didn't start until the early 19th century, so it's only been about 2 centuries since it started , and it wasn't popular everywhere in Europe at all the same time. Belief that ad populum is not a good form of governance is true conservativism, whether people like it or not. De maistre, Edmund Burke, Carlyle, etc

christ thank you for this

you summed up pretty much exactly how i felt coming down from reading IJ

No, when you talk to foreigners there's a culture gap you both feel, so you both act artificially polite and somewhat awkward. People who know each other well enough do this same ironic shit. Everyone is secretly an asshole once you get to know them better.

ding ding ding

Holy shit

Motherfucker my whole country is a meme. The amount of irony and resignation contained in the middle class of any Latinamerican nation is such that I had developped icycalm levels of egotism as a defense mechanism before I knew how to read a clock. And this type of experience is common to any third worlder aware of how shit their country is.

The only reason Americans believe they're unique is because they don't have a clue about any other part of the world.

>libertarians aren't inherently right wing either

This is your brain on americanism

>pro mass immigration
>pro legalisation
>to each to his own
they certainly have some left leaning beliefs

Is that you papa?

This is why I love DFW, in a time when women and niggers were telling themselves "anyone can be a great writer" BLAAAAAM
Mighty whitey takes the stage yet again and just demolishes everything in his path