Are the Yale students correct? Is our literary canon too white?

The English literary canon, which is what these students are complaining about, is white because England was a country made up of white people. We can't refuse study the canon of our native language because our language happened to develop in Europe. That would be absurd.

English-speaking people share a cultural heritage. People giving up on that heritage should elicit a stronger response than "meh who cares." If we don't share a high culture then what do we share?

>Milton and Chaucer are too hard, why can't we read anti-colonialist literature written in the 1970s
So this is what's going on here, right?

It's a misunderstanding of youth who believe English to be the universal language. 'Basic' so to speak, due to the fact that many foreign authors write in English, as well as the quality and availability of translations for anything that these students will have heard of.

Really at heart here is the fact that they are contemporarists who deem part ages morally repugnant and irrelevent, and would rather have diverse voices reassure them of their talent and insight

i don't understand this post. how does it relate to the op?

>Yale English students
>English

learn 2 reading comprehension, brainlet

Who can blame them, in the end? Few people on the planet are mentally capable of reading Milton. If the fools who inhabit our modern universities could not prop themselves up by carping at the masters of the past, they would be in an utter perplexity.

Of course not. Anyway, if it makes them feel better, why not just insert some POC writers of worth like Machado de Assis?

The curious thing about it is that there was a time when Northern Europe had no literature worth speaking about, and we simply accepted that the masters of Greece and Rome then comprised the overwhelming body of literary merit. Europeans in turn only spread civilization and literary culture around the world a few hundred years ago; so it is no surprise there should be as yet comparatively few writers of colour worth mentioning. Five hundred years elapse between the death of Alfred the Great and the publication of the Canterbury Tales.

Academia was a mistake. Burn it all down.

t. Ivy League PhD grad

>English literature shouldn't have so many white people

>it's another 'school of resentment' episode

If what they're saying is that you should read Langston Hughes in addition to Chaucer, Milton, etc, I think that that's a fine endeavor. If they are saying they should remove Chaucer, Milton, etc, then they are woefully misguided. Fortunately, I believe it is the former.

This. Ugh. Why do you give a shit that the best institutions of learning in the world are turning to shit? Like, how does it effect you that the world you inhabit is going to shit? Btw, I'm not left wing at all

There are a limited number of works you can teach in any given sememster. And there are plenty of non-white males in the English literary canon once you get to English 102 and they start teaching the great women authors like Jane Austen and the Bronte sisters. I think these people just don't wanna read Chaucer because his work is too difficult.

Why are the humanities faculties filled with that kind of retards?

All the non-brainlets have abandoned humanities for STEM. I love the humanities, but one Bloom book is better education than entire undergrad humanities degree nowadays.

>Like, how does it effect you
>effect

You are right, the lowering of academic standards will surely have no Effect on our culture.

Are these dudes studying the language, or are they studying IN English? Usually English studies refers to literature, which does not usually exclude writers or ideas that did not perform, originally, through the English language. Many students will read English translations throughout their "English" lit education, and so I think it is strange that you may only read White dudes in your fancy ivy league education.

There was a study recently that showed that a predictor of high levels of ideologically-infused curricula was how many women are a given field, and the humanities are full of women nowadays.

these threads where some clickbait writer screencaps his articles and then sits there bumping them for days on end are a real waste of ad money

>undergraduates

Seems about right.

There isn't a single college student who only reads white males throughout the course of their studies. They mention Chaucer, Milton, and Shakespeare. They're just at the beginning of their English lit degrees.

These fuckers are unbearable. Here, in my country (latin american country), students and even teachers romanticize communism and guerrilla leaders.
In first world things look even worse. Commies and hippies have degenerated into this no sense.

Yeah I know, it did seem fishy.

Is Gloria Alvarez popular outside of Guatemala? There's a lot of good, young anti-commie political commentators in Latin America now after Venezuela turned out to be a disaster

She is pretty popular on internet. However she is the other side of the coin. Libertarianism is a meme.

maybe if someone wrote a book worth studying, then it would be included in the fucking canon regardless of the writers sex or colour

Yeah, but not for the reason they say. It has nothing to do with racism. Reading authors from your part of the world/society is natural.

However, that's not to say that Buddhism, Confucianism, etc. should be neglected (ex: Buddhism should be taught in philosophy classes if we are going to try and teach Schopenhauer and Nietzsche as well).

>Chinese canon with its four great novels
Nigga what the fuck are you talking about? You've got at least the five Confucian classics, the self-titled works of two major Confucian philosophers (Mencius & Xunzi), Mozi, Zhuangzi, Laozi, and Han Fei. And I haven't even started mentioning authors and philosophers beyond 1 AD.

The dialectic is important. She's wrong, but she does a good job of articulating what's wrong with the other side

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Great_Classical_Novels

This is what happens when you force academia to include niggers and women

haha, get it? He used the solecism in his post. You thought he was just going to lean on it for lack of anything to say, but he used it in a sentence, the absolute madman.

The central problem stems from letting jews in. Once jews are in they insulate and protect themselves from the white men who built these institutions by bringing up women and non-whites and then using those institutions and their pets to attack white men, as we're seeing here. Women and non-whites aren't developing this animus on their own, jews are handing it down to them.

And how will you account for the fact that scarce any of the white people I ever met with in my life give a damn about good literature, whether they were in or out of a university? I doubt one in a million has the capacity to read Milton; the state of affairs is far more likely to be that the universities are pandering to a low state of culture, and to the massive inflow of undeserving people into their institutions, mandated by government fiat. But of course people like you will forever blame the Jews for all our ills.

>muh ivy tower
Whiny children.
Yale is far from the best, you turdmuncher.

>americans and bongs actually read translations
LMAO
Yeah we read a 'translation' of SGGK because reading it in Middle English would mean it takes twice the time to cover, and we read Derek Walcott at some point as a black author, but do you turds actually read random e*ropean and black authors in translation?

Options:
>old way
Teach many languages (impossible for most due to larger demographic going to universities) and read literature in those languages
>how stupid fucking bongs and burgers do it
Read random fucking translations which in no way can capture the text artistically, only logically unless it is one of the few cases that the author had a part in translation.
>how it should be done (in the superior Commonwealth nations)
Just fucking read English literature by those who wrote in fucking English, there is more than enough to study in a thousand lifetimes.

>"the (online) petition has at least 160 signatories"

Fuck off, this isn't news nor is it being taken seriously.

It's indicative of a larger trend

This. The article's a year old, and no one gives a shit. This whole thread is just some salty right-winger looking to bitch about minorities.

>it's another dumb, loud, obnoxious americans think the world is all about them chapter

Which still isn't being taken seriously.

That worked when like 90% of the important literary works were in Latin, Greek, French, German, and English. Now that we have access to novels by authors writing in over 100 languages, we need to rely on translations to read some things.

You aren't paying attention if you seriously believe this. Mainstream papers like NYT and The Gaurdian pay lip service to these sorts of people, and nearly every college takes identity into consideration when determining its curriculum. Did you graduate in 1979 or some shit?

>authors writing in over 100 languages
great literature only comes from a handful of languages though

>needing to read those things
It's ENGLISH LITERATURE you fucking idiot
THIS MEANS YOU DON'T READ LITERATURE NOT WRITTEN IN ENGLISH
TRANSLATIONS ARE NOT LITERATURE, THEY ARE APPROXIMATIONS

I thought you meant in general. Obviously an English lit class should focus on English lit. Most do, as far as I'm aware.

It's not the global canon it's the western canon. Rightly dominated by dwm's

Have you taken a look at jewish over representation at ivy league universities? There's no ambiguity here, this anti-white animus is perpetuated by jews. Stop letting the gut-level emotion instilled in you muddy your education and understanding of reality.

Jews are overrepresented in academia due to their higher average IQ. It's not a conspiracy.

Individuals incarnate from all corners of the cosmos to experience this world

Go away, Jeff. The only one mistaking nepotism for a conspiracy is you.

Say what you like about Jewish influence in this or that way, but the fact is that, fundamentally speaking, most white people know and care nothing for literature. It is not as if some literary group of white people is arbitrarily being kept out of the institutions. Most everybody is leftwing and cares and knows nothing for real classic literature these days, whether white or Jewish.

Nepotism doesn't hand over chess championships, which is disproportionately won by Jews. It doesn't give you a 112 average IQ. Nepotism doesn't help you achieve in fields where achievement is quantified objectively. Ashkenazi Jews are just smarter on average, which is the explanation for their disproportionate representation in certain fields.

>achievement
>qualified
>objectively
lol

Chess championships are objective.

That doesn't really explain it. Jews constitute about 2% of America's population; Ashkenazi jews, the ones who actually outscore other whites on IQ test by about half a deviation, are an even smaller number. Given a similar distribution and direct correlation between IQ and acceptance into Ivy League, the vast majority of students there should be non-jewish whites and asians. Explain Yale and its 40% jewish community. It's nepotism, plain and simple

Perhaps you mistakenly believe this observation of yours is more profound than it really is. High culture has only ever appealed to an elite; the issue is that the white elite could be relied upon to protect that culture whereas the new jewish elite and their pets want to destroy it.

The analogy he put forward there does fit the bill. There are objective scenarios where this is in fact true. I dislike oligarchic jewry as much as the next sane man but you'd have to be in denial to make a post like that.

You're a low IQ mongrel, Jeff, and I've had this conversation with you before. You don't want to look into the jewish question, fine. So stop trying to talk about. Loading up institutions is a tribal feature of judaism. They do it everywhere.

"Only" an elite? Who were John Bunyan and Jane Austen, who never knew a word of Latin? Or Dickens, equally ignorant of it, and in his childhood a worker in a boot-blacking factory? Most of our great writers, certainly, have come from the lower orders, not an "elite," if by that you mean a certain class of people. Even in Elizabethan times, Marlowe was the son of a cobbler and Ben Jonson of a bricklayer. And then as for readers; between 1846 and 1870, Dickens sold 750,000 copies of Bleak House: in 2015, E. L. James sold a million copies of her filthy pornographic nonsense. The distinction as to the general state of culture is, I think, pretty evidence from that circumstance alone. Again, in the Elizabethan age, the public went to see Shakespeare, including the "groundlings"; in the modern age, they turn on the television for American Horror Story.

No they aren't.
>objective
>fact
>true
*laughs in yiddish*

>the rules of a chess game aren't objective

I am fully aware of the reality of Nepotism (unlike this Jeff dope who apparently chooses to lie to himself about it) but you are being a literal moron right now.

Jewish IQ is entire standard deviation higher than whites, and half standard deviation higher than East Asians, who similarly dominate technical schools like MIT. The thing is that a group with even a slightly higher average IQ end up manifesting major differences on the extreme high end of the intelligence spectrum. Also, success tends to compound over the generations. A high IQ father who becomes successful ends up having a high IQ son who can take that success even further. While someone born from mediocre stock has to start from scratch. If you're a Marxist who thinks that intergenerational success is illegitimate, then come out and say it. But natural hierarchies develop because people generally care enough about their kin to want to pass on their success, not because they're attempting to oppress anyone.

Strike two. The term "appealed to" =/= "created by."

Work on your reading comprehension, idiot lol.

>A high IQ father who becomes successful ends up having a high IQ son who can take that success even further.

Oh, so a high IQ father would only ever choose to pulls strings to get his son into influential positions if the provision was that his son was also high IQ and could likely further the success because of it, right; because no Jewish father would ever do that if the son was average or lower for the ends of Jewish assembly alone.

Half of your point about standard deviation has some basis in reality but this second half of your position is laughable trash. You will go through the most ponderous leaps to avoid addressing uncomfortable realities.

>77 replies for a year old article about campus bullshit for a school nobody here even attends
How is this even Veeky Forums related? I doubt anyone outside a handful of Yale students even gives a shit about this and yet I see some of you working yoursleves up into a frothing rage over it. How boring is your life that you waste energy getting excited about year old news?

If you wanna address the issue of nepotism address it per se. Tying it to Jewish success in particular, while completely ignoring the role of natural hierarchies like IQ differences, makes you look like a conspiracy theorist. Honestly, it reminds me a lot of the black rhetoric surrounding white success.

Why should people care that the academic study of their culture will be mutilated? they can still read their books'n'shiet

You obviously did not manage to get past the first couple of sentences. Your reading ability is as unpromising in this thread as it was in the other.

>makes you look like a conspiracy theorist

Are you seriously implying that there are zero conspiratorial agendas at play here?

Honestly, you're a seemingly bright stupid person: the most middling of all types.

People are too stupid and disorganized to enact global conspiracies in secret for more than a generation

Are you kidding? The Rothschild alone have turned this into an art form.

This is an old ass article from 2016. Still, part of me is happy that Trump got elected and these postmodernist fuckfaces were absolutely BTFO

The family is made of up individuals who have varying degrees of control over certain institutions. Some exerting negative influence, others positive or neutral. They're just a really rich family that uses its wealth to exert its power, like every other rich family in the world. We know of the crazy shit some of them do; it's not a secret.

>rules are objective
IQ is a nonmetric

>it's not a secret.

Really? They just happen to be a really rich family and there's no conspiratorial elements at play at all here. I see. People in the media feel perfectly free to talk about them on television and large publications only they curiously never happen to because why even bother.

Why do you do this to yourself, Jeff?

It's almost as if complaints about not having enough racial diversity are not actually about racial diversity but are simply anti-white.

>IQ is a nonmetric
How does it feel to be arrogantly ignorant about a subject?

>want to read good books
>dont want to read books by white guys

Not happening.

Because non-whites are intellectually and creatively inferior and can't write for shit

Translations are fine you autistic retard

THE USA no longer wants to breed Englishcock sucking puppets.

THAT'S ALL THIS CANON WAR IS

Retard corrupt niggers like Bloom make money from being knowledgeable in irrelevant English trivia.

You niggers claim that SJW are all hyper-sensitive but you think everything is anti-white.

Population boom. Poor retards have spread like a disease thanks to whiteys medicine to stop them from dying.

Chaucer predates the idea of 'white people', you might as well call him British.

>to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up, they know nothing and their opinions do not matter
muh white male writers happened at some university in the uk and the head of literature or whatever said the pretty much the same thing.

Because most people also don't speak english

>LE HORSE SHOE THEORY
No, I don't think everything is anti-white, I think ideas that somehow only apply to white people and are bad for them are anti-white.