This guy is very dangerous, he is the next stage of Capitalism

Go live in the fucking Congo then.

>nor content (for their life is continually distracted by false values such as work, building a reputation, cv etc).
Why are these false values? Why does contentment mean complacency to you?

DUDE, I ONLY THINK IN TERMS OF WEALTH AND POVERTY, LMAO

Nice reading comprehension, idiot

well said OP.

What are you talking about? He's huge with normies.

Dangerous to who exactly? How is a society built on the premise that people do jobs equivalent to their threshold for complexity a danger to anyone? In fact, Western society is already fucking based on that premise, it has been for centuries.

What is even the fucking ALTERNATIVE to such a premise? Let people do jobs they can't handle? Let people do jobs they are overqualified for?

The only concern here that I can conceive of is if you are extremely afraid of being found out for the fraud that you are in whatever particular position you're currently in. In which case, you are a parasite.

>In fact, Western society is already fucking based on that premise, it has been for centuries.

Yes and that's why it's been declining for centuries. Your point?

It's declining as fast as it's advancing. It's really all a matter of where you look. You might see endless discussions online about social decadence and catastrophes on the news, but meanwhile, we have enormously mind-blowing technologies being developed and invented, and massive research projects being undergone, as we communicate right now. The important thing is to realize who is focusing on the former all day long and who is watching all of the catastrophes and changing their lives for these things. Protip: it's the declining group in society who are.

Shut up tankie, you don't understand Peterson.

China is evolving, it just thinks it can outwest the west. Truth is it's culture allows for the much memed super autistic math genius because the pressure is there to do well because confucian ideas of a functioning society. But it is just a society built on ever better infrastructure and things, albeit things created by the nurturing of useful skills. But I've met Chinese students and such and they're basically polyps on western culture, one I half knew changed her name to Abigail in honour of her favourite western character Hannibal, all of them use western apps and dress like westerners. None of them in essence thinks for themselves which is why they have the authoritarian system they have at home, held up by Confucianism. I will admit it comes across as an empty vapid place and people, disregarding their history pre opium wars, but it is evolving.

He's pretty normie-tier, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Most of the boys from this generation probably had some loser "do what you want" dad who never taught them the value of hard work. He's basically just a dad for a bunch of NEETs. He tells them to keep their heads down and do their work. For fuck's sake, his most memed phrase is "clean your room".
Literally yes: primitivism bad, civilization good.
>break leg
>die

This. Only leftists hate him because he speaks the truth.

>, but meanwhile, we have enormously mind-blowing technologies being developed and invented, and massive research projects being undergone, as we communicate right now

And? You think I care about """technology"""?

Obviously not, since you are a declining pleb.

Brainlet still thinks in terms of Whiggism and continual progression of history.

>And? You think I care about """technology"""?
How often do you buy a new smart phone? How often are you outside without your smart phone? When waiting, do you invariably fiddle with your smart phone?

>How often do you buy a new smart phone? How often are you outside without your smart phone? When waiting, do you invariably fiddle with your smart phone?

Are you one of these brainlets that thinks if you interact with a field/object/thing/subject that it means you inherently advocate its effect on society?

I don't. You are still a declining pleb. Enjoy being trampled on by the ultrarich's robot servants in the coming decades.

>I don't. You are still a declining pleb

Continue using my language, brainlet. Too stupid to develop your own style?

lol just what I thought... another sheltered urbanfag who has never stepped outside of his technocomfortzone thinking he's Kaczynski Crusoe.

STOMP

Brainlet thinks you can escape the Capitalist system? Brainlet doesn't realise that to reject the Capitalist system and boycott products is to still act within it? Brainlet is too stupid to realise that purchasing products only hastens Capitalism's decline by further using up resources and pushing inflation?

>I'm living in dull comfort and distraction exactly like every other capitalist sheep
>the difference is, I've created a juvenile defense mechanism that fools me into thinking I'm superior
kek low-functioning sour grapes retard detected. Describe your current life. Let me guess: living at home? Think you are smarter than everyone despite any metrics to back up this claim? Consider yourself brilliant but lazy/unmotivated/"don't want to be part of the system"? Think you are some alpha predator instead of a flabby, moody loser who has never stepped out of his comfort zone?

Tell us more, philosopher, this is your podium after all :)

If Mike Rowe is Big Bang Theory, Jordan Peterson is Rick and Morty.

Brainlet thinks having a different belief system equates to narcissism? Brainlet believes in egalitarianism?

> If Mike Rowe is Big Bang Theory, Jordan Peterson is Rick and Morty.

Based on how much Veeky Forums loves him compared to Reddit, I think he's more like MLP

This guy is dangerous to no one, which is way more damning.

soooooooooo Plato's Republic

>all that projecting
Nigga, I don't even have a phone.

>we have enormously mind-blowing technologies being developed and invented, and massive research projects being undergone, as we communicate right now.
m8, that's exactly just another part of the "decadence". All these information/communication technology are not only needed as a prosthesis for the social but they also decay the social even more. Which is fine by me, I personally like the irony of technology.

>it has been for centuries
You might open a history book. Capitalism hasn't been here "for centuries", neither has human activity always existed in the form of productive labour. Which is where both capitalists and marxists are short-sighted.

The more I see Peterson criticized, the more I like him.

He's unheard of outside this website designed for losers and outcasts.

I actually laughed to that

>m8, that's exactly just another part of the "decadence"
Nice try, poorfag. There's nothing decadent about increasingly complex technology and measuring instruments or being engaged in their creation, which involves exploring areas of the unknown (which requires daring and excess energy).

>China is a major global superpower with a turbulent history over the past two centuries
>China is a primitive shithole that hasn't evolved
Literally what.

>capitalism
>bad

>a man encouraging young men to take on responsibility, pursue their passions, and start a family
>somehow dangerous

and this is how I know you're a leftist

the only thing this is dangerous to is the state

I can't tell if OP is writing a satire or genuine.
Either way, that's common sense to me what Peterson is talking about.

>milquetoast Canadian liberal becomes e-famous worldwide by saying government shouldn't arrest people who refuse to use pronouns literally invented on Tumblr in 2015
>acts like a foster father to a bunch of autistic NEETs, telling them to get their lives in order and avoid totalitarian, genocidal ideologies like fascism and communism
>this makes some other autistic NEETs so fucking mad that they need to spam a fucking literature board of an anime comedy internet forum with hourly hate threads, decrying him as a bad influence
>these very same people spam meta threads crying about other people shitting up the board with off-topic politics bullshit

Peterson always sounds like he's spouting complete nonsense to me. Especially his talk about how, because stories tend to have similar trends across cultures, that somehow reveals a greater truth about human nature and origin. Although I haven't seen anything by him in quite a while and I've seen very little, so surely I'm misrepresenting him right now.

Also, the fact that he's a Christian makes me very skeptical of him.

This. All he wants is to help you yet lefties get their panties in a twist because he dismisses charlatans

>dismisses charlatans
>is a charlatan

>one I half knew changed her name to Abigail in honour of her favourite western character Hannibal
wew, i mean chinese people getting a western 2nd name has always been a thing, but choosing a girl that was first groomed by her serial killer father, and then further groomed by a cannibal doesn't sound like a very well adjusted choice

she was cute though :3

>that somehow reveals a greater truth about human nature and origin. Although I haven't seen anything by him in quite a while and I've seen very little, so surely I'm
i think it would be more fair to say that they reveal a functioning underlying logic or structure. not necessarily that the structure is eternal, unchangeable, unique, complete, or that alternatives to it may not be created at some point

but yeah he rejects blind adherence to progress and change and warns that when we leave things behind, we may be leaving more than we thought at the moment

anyway he is a pleb

You're a brainlet. These are just words he uses, but you also know that the use of these words by themselves do not give you any indication on how to follow them, so what he does? He tells you how to follow them, he tells you how you should follow passions, how you should have a family, what are your responsabilities and so on. he is not only telling you that you have to do something, but he is also telling you the way in which that something has to be done, and in this second part of the process his ideology creeps on his less educated listeners.
Dummies like you will hear the words "responsability" and think "that's good, he is good", while not thinking about the obvious conclusions of what he is saying.
In the same way, for example, he will tlel you that he is not a nihilist, while also telling you that he is in fact a nihilist and that he believes in things for purely psychological reasons. Somehow his philosophical claims get mixed with his psychological ones, and he knows that, so he will talk about very practical things and imbue them with as much of his ideology and value hierqrchies as possible, and then he repackages this potpourri into a psychological advice. People say "sort yourself out" and in that 3 words sentence a world of unfounded implications is present.

He clearly knows what he is doing.

China is not advancing due to Confucianism, in fact you migt even say that they are advancing because it has been eradicared from their common sense.

Yeah his total agreement with standard dogma really speaks to me.

yeah totally man fuck those postmodern neomarxist sjws

Lol, C.S. Lewis made that same claim in Miracles and Elizabeth Anscombe BTFO out of him for it

everyone is allowed a twitter post written using a quarter of your normal IQ from time to time

OP, how is this the message you take from Peterson? "He serves to quench any sense of spirituality out from under our noses"? You have to be trolling because that's almost the complete opposite of what he's advocating, most notably in the "maps of meaning" lectures/courses and the book they're based on.

He also speaks very little of economy and his musings on Marxism are virtually always placed in a context of the totalitarian manifestations of Marxist doctrine rather than Marxism as an economic model.

i mean in his book he tries to extrapolate godels incompleteness theorem onto moral and cultural systems. seems like a pretty common theme to me

>and this is how I know you're a leftist
and him saying that he's the next stage of capitalism didn't?

i feel that jordan peterson ,the idea, has far out paced the man, jordan peterson.

he's just another thinker trying to give the worried and tired masses an answer that they can use and hold on to.

>capitalism hasn't existed for centuries

This is only true if you think capitalism != markets, which have existed since early civilization

whoa dude, pass me the joint

>brainlet took high school philosophy and has a philosophy infographic or two
Post a thread when you grow up, kid.

I'm not the guy you're squabbling with, but you're one pretentious cunt. You call him "brainlet" and "dummy" yet you have a numerous typos, shit grammar, and poor reasoning.
If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd have already cured cancer and solved the planet's energy crisis, but instead you're calling people names on Veeky Forums and preening about bullshit in vague terms.
Get cancer and die in a house fire, mate.

My dude, this is an advocation for Socialism.

That interview was epic as fuck though, regardless of whether you agree with anything they say.

It really annoys me that leftists can't even give their own devils their due.

>the only thing this is dangerous to is the state
how is having a job and a family dangerous to the state?

>this whole post

States in the West actively work against nuclear family, stability, family values and jobs.

>Also, the fact that he's a Christian makes me very skeptical of him.
He's a cultural "Christian" at best it's mission impossible to get his opinion on the existence of God and somehow even harder to get him to say if he's a Christian or not.
youtube.com/watch?v=6bvmwlX1upQ&ab_channel=CogentCanine
From what i know of him Christianity is this almost utilitarian civilization wide foundational myth.
Even if he was Christian though why would that make you very skeptical of him ?

holy shit he looked uncomfortable there

what video is this from?

Boy upon re-watching those "epic meme pop culture references" every 5 seconds get really annoying really immediately

No idea you could probably find it in the comments i think

>claims to speak for the preservation of traditional moral values
>hasn't read or didn't understand Parmenides and consequently misinterprets how 'muh logos' functions on a fundamental level

>Even if he was Christian though why would that make you very skeptical of him ?
Because Christianity is a load of bullshit and if he's reached the conclusion that it isn't there must be something wrong with his judgement

I understand the argument you are making, but even if you say that "capitalism" is only mixed market capitalism, it has already existed for "centuries". There wasn't a central issuer of "dollars" prior to the fed, but there was "capitalism" in the British colonies prior to the US. It was even mixed market capitalism with taxation and government spending on market industries.

Tl;dr I know it is really hip and edgy to say that "capitalism" as a system is such a terrible thing, but stop being a goofy goober when you argue that point.

>I can't tell if OP is writing a satire or genuine.

There are a bunch of either trolls or buttblasted fuckwits trying to imitate both the worst parts of both /pol/ and leftists here lately. The former currently outweigh the latter by a large amount of posts, but it wouldn't surprise me if a reversal kicks in soon and we start seeing more ruse posts of people pretending to be typical leftists.

So anyone who doesn't think that Christianity is "a load of bullshit" has problems with his/her judgement ?

Go away pseud.

Yes. At least in that aspect.
That doesn't mean they can't reach the right conclusions regarding other things, but holding a belief of that sort is bound to inform one's personal philosophy, so that in many ways it will just be a rationalisation/apology of the religion.

I mean, wouldn't you be skeptical of a Scientologist philosopher, just based on the fact that they're a Scientologist? Granted, Christianity is not a mind-control cult in the way Scientology is, but it still informs one's beliefs. When one's beliefs are based on bullshit, it's not a very good sign.

The Christian belief system is definitely a step forward from the Jewish one, imo Christianity was progressive as hell for its time, but as a person who understands that magic is just a word we use to label things we don't understand I can't get around the impossible amount and nature of miracles Jesus allegedly brought about, healing and resurrecting people by nothing more than a word and giving his disciples the power to perform miracles as well.
Seriously, I'd be much more willing to believe he was the child of god if he'd just gone around preaching a new covenant and died on the cross, branded a heretic.

t. commie

>He also continues on the false debate that is the false dichotomy of capitalism vs socialism

Why is this a false dichotomy? Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production whereas socialism the public/democratic ownership of the means of production. They are, by definition, diametrically opposed.

Have fun avoiding the empirically verifiable details of our material reality to focus on your "spiritual" metaphysical sophistry, OP.

It would depend on the topic though ultimately we're just going off different premises i assume both of you don't believe in God i might be wrong though
And no i'm not Christian

>imo Christianity was progressive as hell for its time
That doesn't mean much and i think judging Christianity based on a pre-existing set of morals instead of the claimed divine nature is going about it the wrong way though ethically you could definitely make the case for much of what Christianity even using modern secular and humanist premises.
As for miracles i recommend reading this ;
sophia-project.org/uploads/1/3/9/5/13955288/newman_miracles.pdf
It's only 7 pages long

How is it a false dichotomy, when you literally just explained how it is a mutually exclusive dichotomy?

>It would depend on the topic though
Of course. I mean if a Christian is talking about math, how to make sculptures, economics or other things, they're not as likely to be compromised by their beliefs. But if they're talking about how one should live their life, then I'm going to have to take whatever they say with a pinch of salt

I know, that was my point. I was challenging OP's post.

>you're one pretentious cunt. You call him "brainlet" and "dummy" yet you have a numerous typos, shit grammar, and poor reasoning.
>If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd have already cured cancer and solved the planet's energy crisis, but instead you're calling people names on Veeky Forums and preening about bullshit in vague terms.

Veeky Forums in a nutshell

>you could definitely make the case for much of Christianity
That's the problem though, as long as people believe that Christ was literally God they don't *get* to make the case for one part of Christianity while distancing themselves from the rest without the risk ofa good portion of the less educated population either relapsing into dogma or no longer finding the belief system believable at all as the gap between Christs teachings and their practical beliefs and way of life increases.
Instead of truly thinking for themselves within a moral framework they understand as a living tradition which they have the right and the duty to improve upon they will be chained to the past, or that past will be lost to them.

t. dumbass who hasn't read german ideology or theses on feuerbach and is stuck in idealist mysticism

big agree

thanks

no problemo buckerino

I'd be willing to bet that you didn't even bother with German Idealism because your commie friends told you that it has been debunked since the materialist turn.
If not, what did you think of Schillers on the aesthetic education of man?