This guy is fucking nuts. Disrupting the world order just because the Russian people can't get over the fact they're not special. >The ethnic Russian people, in contrast, are seen as “the bearers of a unique civilization.”48 Russians are a messianic people, who possess “universal, pan-human significance” (p. 189). The Russian people, Dugin insists, can only serve as the core ethnos of a vast empire: “[T]he Russian people (= Russia) never made its goal the creation of a mono- ethnic, racially uniform state” (p. 190)...In order to facilitate the recreation of a vast Russia-dominated continental empire, Dugin advocates the unleashing of Russian nationalist sentiment, but of a specific type. “This [Russian] nationalism,” he writes, “should not employ state but, rather, cultural-ethnic terminology, with a special emphasis on such categories as ‘Narodnost’’ and ‘Russian Orthodoxy’” (p. 255).
>Dugin posits a primordial, dualistic conflict between “Atlanticism” (sea-faring states and civilizations, such as the United States and Britain) and “Eurasianism” (land-based states and civilizations such as Eurasia-Russia)
>Within the United States itself, there is a need for the Russian special services and their allies “to provoke all forms of instability and separatism within the borders of the United States (it is possible to make use of the political forces of Afro-American racists)” (p. 248). “It is especially important,” Dugin adds, “to introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics…” (p. 367).
>Within the territorial sprawl of Eurasia, Dugin’s program focuses upon the formation of three key “axes”: Moscow-Berlin, Moscow-Tokyo, and Moscow-Teheran.
>Because of the threat to Russia’s vital geopolitical interests represented by China, Dugin holds that the PRC must be dismantled. He underlines: “Tibet-Sinkiang-Mongolia-Manchuria taken together comprise a security belt of Russia” (p. 363). Eurasia-Russia must seek at all costs to promote “the territorial disintegration, splintering and the political and administrative partition of the [Chinese] state” (p. 360). “Without Sinkiang and Tibet,” he concludes, “the potential geopolitical breakthrough of China into Kazakhstan and Siberia becomes impossible” (p. 362).
Aaron Jackson
Ah, so that's the missing link.
Jason Parker
>The most ambitious and complex part of Dugin’s program concerns the South, where the focal point is a Moscow-Teheran axis. “The idea of a continental Russian-Islamic alliance,” he writes, “lies at the foundation of anti-Atlanticist strategy… [T]his alliance is based on the traditional character of Russian and Islamic civilization…” (p. 158). “On the whole,” he continues, “the entire Islamic zone represents a naturally friendly geopolitical reality in relation to the Eurasian Empire, since the Islamic tradition … fully understands the spiritual incompatibility of America and religion. The Atlanticists themselves see the Islamic world, on the whole, as their potential opponent” (p. 239).
James Wilson
>In exchange for cooperating with Russia in this project, Germany, Dugin proposes, ought to be given back “Kaliningrad oblast’ (Eastern Prussia)” (p. 228). As a result of a Grand Alliance concluded between Russia and Germany, the two countries will divvy up into de facto spheres of dominance the territories lying between them...At one point in his book, Dugin confides that all arrangements made with “the Eurasian bloc of the continental West,” headed by Germany, will be merely temporary and provisional in nature. “The maximum task [of the future],” he underscores, “is the ‘Finlandization’ of all of Europe…” (p. 369).
Jackson Russell
>A key reason for concluding a Grand Alliance with Iran, Dugin explains, is Russia’s need for a Muslim ally in its struggle against secular Turkey and “Islamic Saudi Arabia” with its dangerous Wahhabism. Turkey, it emerges, is to be treated as harshly as the United States and China. “It is important,” Dugin writes, “to take into consideration the necessity of affixing to Turkey the role of ‘scapegoat’ in this [Eurasian] project” (p. 244). Kurds, Armenians, and other Turkish minorities are to be provoked into rebellion. There is a need, Dugin stresses, to create “geopolitical shocks” within Turkey (p. 352). Like Azerbaijan, Dugin predicts, Turkey could in the future be dismembered by Eurasia-Russia, Iran and Armenia. If, however, such a dismemberment should not occur, then, like China, Turkey must be encouraged to expand exclusively southward, “into the Arab world through Baghdad, Damascus, and Riyadh…” (p.244).
Hunter Bennett
Isn't every major power's goals ultimately to Findlandize their neighbors? I kind of like this meme, Findlandization. It should have more widespread use.
Aiden Hernandez
>The cornerstone of Dugin’s approach to the Far East lies in the creation of a “Moscow- Tokyo Axis.” In relation to Japan, he emphasizes, “the principle of a common enemy [that is, the United States]” will prove decisive (p. 234). As in the case of Germany, Japan is to be offered an imperial Grand Bargain. Dugin recommends that the Kuriles be restored to Japan as Kaliningrad is to be restored to Germany (p. 238). For future expansion purposes, Japan is to be encouraged to impose “its own ‘new order,’ which it planned to carry out in the 1930’s, in the Pacific Ocean” (p. 277).
Joshua Fisher
>Fascism
Owen Taylor
>While Dugin’s ideas and prescriptions are indeed extreme, dangerous and repellent, it should be emphasized that they are very much in the tradition of the writings of inter-war fascists and of adherents of the European Nouvelle Droite. Historically speaking, fascist “thought” has more than once resulted in explosive expansionism. It should be noted, moreover, that Dugin does not focus primarily upon military means as a way of achieving Russian dominance over Eurasia; rather he advocates a fairly sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services, supported by a tough, hard-headed use of Russia’s gas, oil, and natural resource riches to pressure and bully other countries into bending to Russia’s will. While Dugin, apparently, does not in the least fear war, he would prefer to achieve his geopolitical goals without resorting to it.
Angel Richardson
Are you double-checking these citations in his book? I've heard his English wiki page is mostly alarmist bullshit written by Glenn Beckians
Robert Perez
>In a moment of exultant imperial elan, Dugin revealingly trumpets at one point in his book: “The battle for the world rule of [ethnic] Russians has not ended” (p. 213). It is necessary to speak the unvarnished truth. An official advisor on geopolitics to the speaker of the Russian State Duma is a dangerous Russian fascist. As has been noted, Dugin also enjoys reported close ties to elements in the Presidential Administration, the secret services, the military, and the parliament. While Dugin’s influence should in no wise be exaggerated, it should also not be understated. One is required to ask whether Russian fascism – a tendency which exhibits contempt both for international borders and for international law – has a realistic chance of emerging as the “new political thinking” in international affairs in Vladimir Putin’s Russia. In late 1998, one Russian academic, Andrei Tsygankov, appropriately warned that the discourse of Dugin and of like-minded “Eurasians” is in reality “the discourse of war.”51
Luke Lee
Honestly his course of action seems pretty solid. Of course it's all predicated on the US withdrawing from it's current role within the international system, which doesn't seem likely anytime soon. I wish we had more thinkers like this within the US. It's a shame that he's demonized as *gasp* a "fascist", the worse thing anybody can ever be accused of being.
Jonathan Rivera
Glenn Beck predicted the rise of ISIS back in 2007 desu.
Gabriel Williams
This is quite literally written by jewish neoliberal NATO shill John B. Dunlop of the Hoover Institution.
But then again, I don't see why this is shocking unless you are a pro-western liberal. It is the same ideas as shared by for example Carl Schmitt, Ernst Niekisch and later de Benoist etc..
Andrew Wright
4pt.su/en/content/aleksandr-dugin’s-foundations-geopolitics > Following precepts enunciated by Francis Fukuyama among others, the United States seeks to implant its own political and economic model throughout the globe (p. 127). Moreover, following the prescriptions of Paul Wolfowitz, the United States attempts to reduce Russia’s role to that of a lowly “regional power” (p. 199). In cynical fashion, the United States wants to “transform Russia into an ‘ethnic reservation’ so that it can receive full control over the world” (p. 169). >How is a revived Eurasian-Russian Empire to bring about “the geopolitical defeat of the U.S.” (p. 260)? An appropriate response to the looming Atlanticist threat, Dugin contends, is for the renascent Eurasian-Russian Empire to direct all of its powers (short of igniting a hot war), as well as those of the remainder of humanity, against the Atlanticist Anaconda. “At the basis of the geopolitical construction of this [Eurasian] Empire,” Dugin writes, “there must be placed one fundamental principle – the principle of ‘a common enemy.’ A negation of Atlanticism, a repudiation of the strategic control of the United States, and the rejection of the supremacy of economic, liberal market values – this represents the common civilizational basis, the common impulse which will prepare the way for a strong political and strategic union…” (p. 216). The anti-Americanism of the Japanese, “who remember well the nuclear genocide and the disgrace of political occupation,” must be unleashed, as well as the fervent anti-Americanism of fundamentalist Muslim Iranians (pp. 234 and 241). On a global scale, Dugin declares, “the main ‘scapegoat’ will be precisely the U.S…” (p. 248). Scapegoats, imperial ambitions, subjugation of the Other...dude worships Evola and has been labeled a fascist by everyone with a rudimentary knowledge of his ideology and activities.
Ian Sanchez
What is wrong with believing in NATO, being Jewish, or subscribing to Neoliberalism? You think you can tack on 'shill' and suggest anti-semitism and thus his research is nullified?
Samuel Cruz
Nothing necessarily, it just seems to me you believe everyone has these ideas internalized and agree with you on democratic discourse, violence, freedom etc.
Alexander Lee
Not who you're responding to, but American business and financial institutions are disproportionately staffed and managed by Jews, neoliberalism exists to advance American business and financial interests, and NATO exists to perpetuate neoliberalism.
Eli Perry
The US is hardly some innocent otherized scapegoat for Russia, we're geopolitical adversaries. If your goal is the advancement of Russian national interests, it would be irrational to ignore the threat the US poses, and vice versa. I don't see how that makes him a fascist, if anything his rhetoric stands in opposition to many of the tenants of fascism-
>An appropriate response to the looming Atlanticist threat, Dugin contends, is for the renascent Eurasian-Russian Empire to direct all of its powers (short of igniting a hot war) A fascist would want a hot war, fascists saw war as not merely a means that should be avoided but an end in and of itself. They weren't just "not opposed to war", they couldn't imagine a health nation without near constant war.
Angel Thomas
Any great power that gives up on it's messianic dreams becomes decadent and spiritually dead (see: Sweden, Spain, and so on) and will eventually be consumed by a more vigorous people. You can hardly blame the guy for wanting Russia to be strong and independent instead of becoming another cringing lackey of the Atlanticist system.
Also, does Dugin ever address the problem of Russia's declining birthrates?
Josiah Cook
Religious sentiment, Dugin urges, should be placed front and center: “Russians should realize that they are Orthodox in the first place; [ethnic] Russians in the second place; and only in the third place, people” (p. 255). There is a need, Dugin goes on to insist, for the “total churchification” of Russians, for the Russian nation to come to be viewed simply as “the Church” (pp. 255-256). Such an emphasis, he believes, should – together with a persistent focus on the glorious past and bright future of the Russian nation – help serve to bring about the “demographic upsurge” so desperately needed by Russians today.
Eli Williams
No one takes him seriously here t.russian
Daniel Green
Russia has had a small increase in birthrates compared to the 90s though.
Jose Harris
You know Andreas umland is a pedophile right?
Jackson Wright
Any respected contemporary russian nationalist thinkers? all the practical nationalists close to the Kremlin have no intellectual footing, including sorokin
Jason Nguyen
>This guy is fucking nuts Yes, that's what every Russian poster ever has told you. He's been a staple meme of Russian-speaking internet from the birth of LJ to the latest reincarnation of 2ch and nobody takes him seriously IRL or online.
David Rivera
this guy is like a russian Varg. no one takes this retarded LARPer seriously here
Joshua Edwards
Hello redd*t, how's it going
Justin Jones
This is exactly why he's not a fascist in the first place. He's just Russian Varg Vikernes. Which makes his books fun to read. I mean come on, now.
His chapter in 4PT on gender is 100% good shit
Angel Lee
Dugin is a meme and spouts ridiculous shit, but most detractors havnt read a paragraph of his work, do they believe his work isn't serious?
Samuel Hall
Who cares if Dugin is a meme? He is also (unfortunately?) a genius.
Luis Gutierrez
He's going to be remembered as a god damn supervillain in the future.
Brody Rodriguez
Honestly though, OP, if the world order is so special and the russian people aren't special, then why are they blowing out that same world order at their leisure?
Eli Campbell
It allows for simple dismissal of his work and the man himself as a buffon, I remember reading one of Anton shekhotsovs articles who is his sharpest western academic critic admitting he was baffled by his work on Heidegger, Dugin has in part made his name in the former Soviet union as one of the foremost scholars of Heideggerian studies. But it's less important to acknowledge the totality of his thought than the stories of his ramblings about Kazakhs worshipping a giant cat in lake baikal
Eli Lee
>Geopolitical realism lol How is this shocking?
Jayden Torres
He's right about the necessity for a multi polar world. The US is a belligerent imperialist power.
James Baker
>The ethnic Russian people, in contrast, are seen as “the bearers of a unique civilization.”48 Russians are a messianic people
Juan Phillips
That sort of idealism in practice means you have to direct massive amounts of your resources away from productive investments towards maintaining the exponentially increasing costs of empire. Your living conditions at home will eventually begin to worsen and your foreign subjects will hate you none the less and be costly to keep in line. America isn't a republic, it's an empire and like all other empires it's facing the same fate but since it can't formally recognize itself as such and likes to pretend otherwise that leads to all kinds of confusion.
Caleb Ross
>people still entertain mental midgets pushing for the creation of monoethnic states i guess this is why trump was so popular. MAGA
Noah Brown
What's wrong with that? Jewish globalism is screwing white people.
Christian Jones
Dugins desires a multiethnic empire though
Sebastian Green
>monoethnic >literally shills for the concept of "Eurasia" so this is the power of Veeky Forums
Leo Adams
I ordered his book. Probably on a list now
Henry Lopez
>guy talks about the fourth way, i.e. anything that rivals post liberalist dystopia >muh fascist! Fascist! If he's against globalism then he's a fascist!
Why is this board so closed minded when it comes to politics? The guy's arguing about contemporary politics, fascism and communism are things of the past, they didn't work out.
Classical liberalism is far gone too, he argues that it became post liberalism and it bred postmodern nihilistic cultural and civic degradation as a direct consequence.
If you're happy with the end of history and you really think that enriching globalist magnates is something good to society, then at least stop pretending to be a communist or a marxist, because that's exactly what marx used to oppose.
John Perez
Being disillusioned with the wealthiest and safest world of all time is fine. Despite these facts, we're at a nihilistic and empty stage, ideologically. But think about Russia today: it's legal to beat your wife, there's no freedom of the press, corruption is rampant, homosexuality is outlawed, there is an active secret police and a history of disregarding human rights. Stalin is a rehabilitated national icon. I would do anything in my power from preventing Russia from achieving anything close to a Eurasian hegemony, given their current regime and value system. Would you want to live in a country where your father can legally beat your mother? Capitalism didn't work in Russia. But maybe that's because of the *uniqueness* of the Russian people. I.e. the susceptibility to autocrats and an imperial ruling class. Not because of a systemic failing of capitalism.
Noah Bell
seconding this user
Eli Watson
I would think that you didn't really read his books if you're implying that he's trying to impose the russian way on the anglosphere
Specially because it's the other way around, the anglosphere is always trying to impose their way of life in the entire world, and always creating massive problems wherever they go by trying to do it, such as the crisis currently going on in countries like lybia (which russia is trying to solve, actually) once the importantion of the anglo way of life also equals the importation of postmodern ideals that aren't compatible with other cultures that have nothing to do with it
Chinese people are way below the bar if you're implying that russians can't live in a proper manner, yet you buy the iPhones they produce from their slave labour, and therefore finance their oppressive system deprived of the freedoms you hold so dear
Why is Dugin a fascist for pointing these things out in his books?
Russia is currently facing massive trade sanctions, why don't they do the same to china? Of course the russians have the right to oppose post liberalism, they don't even take any part in that system anymore, apart from trade with china and iran.
Don't give me that line that the world is being shaped in a wonderful manner by a globalist totalitarian dystopia just because in the west the problem of poverty is getting gradually solved. The rest of the world is starving just as they were in the past, the problems marx told us about in his books weren't completely solved and never will be as long as the global system won't change
You talk about russians kneeling to autocrats, but we all do the same in the post liberal system. Actually, we don't even have the right to choose not to. That's the sad part about it.
Sebastian King
finlandization
Austin Diaz
>it's legal to beat your wife >homosexuality is outlawed
wtf i love russia now
Luis Gray
*Findlandization
Aiden Butler
seeing white nationalist types praise dugin is inconceivably bizarre, and yet they do it. why?
Christopher Bailey
White nationalist types don't really 'praise' Dugin. Some people like Richard Spencer want to apply Dugin's Eurasianist concepts to the West. Most others see Dugin and his followers as allies of convenience in opposition to the liberal world order.
Ayden Kelly
fair enough.
>Some people like Richard Spencer want to apply Dugin's Eurasianist concepts to the West. what do you mean? do you mean this literally, because the idea of spencer supporting the concept of "eurasia" is strange to me, although i admittedly know little about him.
Adam Martin
His particular alt-right is internationalist.
Luis Ward
The way that Dugin wants to unite the many cultures and peoples of Central Asia under Russia as a sort of Eurasian superstate, Spencer wants to unite the cultures and peoples of the West under a Western superstate. He's taking Dugin's worldview and values and applying it to the situation in the West.
Grayson Lee
Your conception of the 'alt-right' is too narrow.
John Hughes
Spencer's reading of Dugin has to me always seemed odd, as far as I understand Spencer, it seems to me like the others in the "alt right" movement want to essentially recreate conditions of early modernity except with "white" unity (and in his case a western superstate) while a major part of understanding Dugin is a rejection of the conditions of modernity and the way forward.
I feel like perhaps this would be rectified if readings of Dugin were always paired with German conservative revolutionaries such as Carl Schmitt, Oswald Spengler, Ernst Niekisch...
Lincoln Turner
>Japan still hates America Belle epoque Just called, they want their world view back
Charles Edwards
Wouldn't it make more sense to forge an alliance of convenience with America to take out China, then stab America in the back later? Always better to destroy a rising power than an established power, because an established power will inevitably become a declining power, while a rising power will become an established power with an indeterminate period of supremacy.
Jaxon Lee
>China >rising power The 90s called, they want their memes back, and also; fuck off Nick.
Luke Cooper
bump
Julian Sullivan
>Also, does Dugin ever address the problem of Russia's declining birthrates? Russia has the best birthrates among the countries in Europe* and developed Asia, and they're growing, not declining.
* Excepting France and the UK, but their birth rates are high because of you-know-who.
Leo Hill
>it's legal to beat your wife, No. >there's no freedom of the press, No. >corruption is rampant, Yes, albeit at USA levels, not Albania levels. >homosexuality is outlawed, No, but severely ostracized. >there is an active secret police No. >and a history of disregarding human rights. Yes, and that's a good thing. >Stalin is a rehabilitated No. >national icon Yes. So is Peter I, who was way worse than Stalin in literally every respect.
Nolan Russell
>It is the close link between Church and national consciousness, patriotic consciousness, which renders Uniatism so totally unacceptable in such countries as Greece and Rumania, and it is this phenomenon of Orthodox nationalism which I find the least attractive feature of Orthodoxy today.
>An extreme example is the widespread philosophy in the Church of Serbia which goes by the name of the mediaeval royal Serbian saint Sava - hence Svetosavlje, 'Saint-Sava-sm'. The creation of the influential bishop Nikolay Velimirovich, who died in 1956, it argues that the Serbian people are, by their history of martyrdom, an elect nation, even among the Orthodox, a unique bearer of salvific suffering, an incomparably holy people, and counterposes them in particular to their Western neighbours who are merely pseudo-Christians, believers in humanity without divinity
-Fr. Aidan Nichols OP
The idea that [insert slavic group here] are the chosen people is common in Eastern Orthodoxy. I blame trying to one-up the Jews.
Jose Ortiz
Sounds pretty based tbqh. Explains a lot of the civil unrest going on in Am*rica and Europe. Those crazy fucks in Russia are fuelling the energy on both side of the political isle.
I was watching some interviews with him and Dugin's an interesting guy. I might order his books.
Daniel Cox
>Not latching onto the latest and coolest esoteric political movements every couple of years.
>OP makes a thead trying to demonize Dugin >a lot of people get genuinely interested in the subject and even consider buying his books instead
Lmao
Redd*it always btfo
Nolan Hill
Damn, you caught me
Samuel Roberts
This is also precisely why Orthodoxy is not the One True Church. How could it be, when it doesn't believe in the words of Paul: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, man nor woman, all are one in Christ Jesus"?
