What are some good books for deprogramming a Marxist?

Industrial Society and Its Future

Just make her economics

*learn

The list so far:

The Gulag Archipelago
Demons
Industrial Society and Its Future

It's obvious that she dislikes herself and is projecting her self hatred onto those around her, subscribing to an ideology that panders to the indulgence of her failings and weakness of character.
I wouldnt approach this politically, it seems to go far beyond that

What should I do, then?

I don't know, I'm not good at helping people.
Dostoevsky helped me and would be a good idea but i doubt she would read him or find him interesting.
The Gulag Archipelago would be good because it both exposes Marxism and could help her with empathy or stir something else in her soul. But it's a very dry book for those not interested in the subject and again i don't know if she would even bother with it.
It's hard to help people with books, especially if they are unwilling and let's face it, tumblr and marxism is much easier than any sort of improving

Origins of Totalitarianism
Is God Happy?

Like the other user said though, why not let her read her literature, why change her opinion by feeding her opinions she doesn't hold? Try to convince her by reading these yourself, unless she has already outed her interest on these subjects.

This is a hypocritical post

What books from him are opposing Marxism?
Currently reading Crime and Punishment and I see very little of it.

Well Demons, but i was recommending Dostoevsky because he could also help with some of her personal problems. Demons or The Brothers Karamazov would be good choices for that

"Did anyone here my answer to the question of how to cure - 'redeem' - a woman? Give her a baby. Women need children"
If you can actually get her to read some Nietzsche: Thus Spoke Zarathustra. But really though, she's probably doing only what she can do. Some people don't have the capacity to resist getting sucked into retarded ideologies.

books aren't going to work a helicopter is the only cure for communism

>buying books for someone to convince them to relinquish marxism
you're going about this the opposite way that you should be

if you find it boring you should probably stop because its all the same. i just finished volume 1 today and fucking loved it. going out to buy the second volume tomorrow

so she's a depressed liberal and you think she'll start exercising instead of posting on social media if she reads a book about prison camps? and what does marx have to do with any of this? i really don't follow your logic here.

LIBRULS

What exactly did you love about it? It's all "article 66 said we can kill some anti commies, so we did, let me tell you about (random rusky name) that suffered greatly, millions such cases". It kinda got boring after a while.

>not working is communism
You're confusing communism with the negative side of capitalism again

MURXUSMS

USSR and Marxism are not the same thing

>wanting to deprogram her instead of earnestly debating her with your opinions
People like you are why I can never be fully against the gulag

So basically no data and just anecdotal evidence?

you should get your sister or whoever it is professional help instead of using it as an excuse for memeing on Veeky Forums. you're going to feel like a piece of shit when it turns out she killed herself while you were busy with your redpill fantasies.

marx was a neet who impregnated his maid then kicked her to the curb with his bastard son

>marx was a neet
so just like the average Veeky Forums pos...
>who impregnated
never mind

>My sister isn't happy
You're missing the point

Someone can find Marxist critiques cogent and at the same time be critical of communism. Marxism is a critique of capitalism not necessarily an endorsement of communism. Read any Marxist thinker from the past hundred years. Sounds like you could learn a lot from her.
>B-but marx was a communist! Believing Marx is believing a communist!
It's also possible to think critique of pure reason is genius and at the same time think kant's ethics and aesthetics are fucking retarded.

>Basic economics by sowell
Real eye opener for me.

Marx is the foremost economist, dork.

There is no 'deprogramming' a Marxist. Marxism is an infinitely more coherent and inteligent approach to materialism than capitalism. But marxists are naive in thinking they can aim for the communist utopia while retaining some semblance of freedom and individuality. Capitalists think - wait no they don't think.

But FUCK materialism. There is no solace to be found in an industrial society - capitalist or communist. The only logical conclusion to it is transhumanism. We will be engineered to fit the need of the system. It's been happening ever since the industrial revolution, but we'll clearly see it with the bioengineering breakthrough.

Mmmmmm I love it when my wife makes me Economics for breakfast.

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Stirner is the only good answer, but then you can't be a rightcuck anymore. Look into the debate between Marx and Das Stirn, it makes Marx so angry he has a meltdown in The German Ideology and dedicates a chapter to the sardonically named "St. Max"

I know that Das Kapital is a classic economics text, but that would be like making her learn Aristotle's physics instead of learning actual physics

PJ O'Rourke.

No need for a book when a visit to his grave will do

It's ironic that it's the case, but also moronic to think it's a critique of Marxism.

actually its because the state refuses to upkeep the property (too busy bribing corporations with tax cuts and funding imperialism) which is vandalized constantly by room temperature IQ troglodytes

Have you ever considered making her read Marx and Engels?

implying anyone who posts on /pol/ was around for 2008 Veeky Forums

It's impossible to deprogram a materialist.

Kolakowski spent the entire first half of his life studying Marxist philosophy, so when he went for debunking it, he actually knew what he was talking about.

Yeah. Everyone who wants political discussion of I higher calibre than r/theDonald had to move to ''the chan that I am not allowed to post the name of on here because hiro doesn't want me to divert traffic away from here so he has its name be interpenetrated as spam''Chan back in 2015. Veeky Forums is one of a few boards I still use here. Veeky Forums is still great. I love Veeky Forums

This. Das Kapital will make all Marxism look retarded.

Oy Vey

The prospect of helping is noble, but you can't dent people like that.

>The Book of Daniel
>Kings II
(If she says shes against Christianity, just tell her it was written by Jews)
>Neuromancer - William Gibson
>VALIS - Philip K. Dick (He wasn't actually a >leftie, he was just minscontstrued by Hollywood)
>The Magic Mountain - Thomas Mann

If you think Marxism is wrong, something to ‘debunk’, then chances are you’ve never seriously studied the humanities to any decent degree.

You also must have a minuscule knowledge of 20th century intellectual history - Marxism was central to the thought of some of the most important intellectuals - are we swapping Benjamin, Lukacs and Adorno for fucking Hayek and muh basic economics?

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XD

anyone who reads this book and is still convinced of Marxism doesn't deserve to breath

that's the problem with Marxism. You hide behind a veneer of intellectualism to justify its atrocities

>ideologies cause atrocities

Looks like someone opened the brainlet cage again

so if Arabs were unconvinced of their religion would they still be slicing heads off and blowing up buses?

>You hide behind a veneer of intellectualism to justify its atrocities
Codreanu literally put children on meathooks and butchered them in public

"Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" by Anthony Sutton is a worthy read, it highlights how Communism is just another flavour of international ist monopoly capitalism.

No, reductivist, ideologies only "cause" damage when they stick in the mind. An ideology of itself (which is rather a nonsensical concept) can cause as little damage as a lobotomized (thoughtless) human. They need vectors to spread.

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there's plenty of history proving that Marxism is indeed a dangerous ideology. Anyone who wants to reinstate it is effectively saying that want to enslave everyone while they get a comfy spot in the politburo because they're one of the "Enlightened" ones

wikipedia.org/wiki/Legionnaires%27_rebellion_and_Bucharest_pogrom

>"He(Gunther) recognized three of his acquaintances among the "professionally tortured" bodies (lawyer Millo Beiler and the Rauch brothers). He added, “The bodies of the dead were hanged on the hooks used by slaughterers.”"[4] The American minister to Romania, Franklin Mott Gunther, toured the meat-packing plant where the Jews were slaughtered with the placards reading "Kosher meat" on them. He reported back to Washington: "Sixty Jewish corpses were discovered on the hooks used for carcasses. They were all skinned . . . and the quantity of blood about was evidence that they had been skinned alive".[8] Gunther wrote he was especially shocked that one of the Jewish victims hanging on the meat hooks was a five-year-old girl, saying that he could not imagine such cruelty was possible until he saw the evidence of it firsthand."

Again, ideologies in and of themselves are not dangerous. Only ideological people are dangerous.

Economics is shit and probably satanic too

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& not even that. Ideologies only become dangerous when they seek to attain ideological hegemony.

Does that edgy quote from a fiction writer disprove the fact that your Husbando tortured a 5 year old before skinning her alive?

Communists wanted a global revolution. Corneliu wanted to kick subversives out of Romania and keep them out

>Communists wanted a global revolution
Only Trotskyism wanted that. Have you never heard of Socialism in one country?

>Solzhenitsyn
>fiction

I don't deny that the Iron Guard killed people. But the Iron Guard also didn't have a mandate for global revolution and putting everyone who spoke ill of Stalin in a hell on earth prison. How dare you call Solzhenitsyn a liar you fucking subhuman

so it's just an accident that after Russia became red half of the world did too?

Solzhenitsyn is know to have put unverifiable rumors and wivestales into Gulag Archipelago.
It is just an anti-communist version of Human Lampshades or Jews being turned into soap.

No. It was an opportunistic power and land grab by Stalin after WWII so that he could have a larger buffer between Russia and the West. If Stalin was a Fascist he would have done the same thing.

Solzhenitsyn's work is much more concrete than Elie "it happened but it didn't happen" Wiesel. I also don't think it's a coincidence that every book store has tons of copies of Night and the Manifesto and Solzhenitsyn has been completely forgotten until Memerson started talking about him.

Lenin wanted the same thing, it's painfully obvious how hard you're trying to save face for him by throwing Stalin under the bus.

Bullshit dude Communism is essentially internationalist. Stalin steered the Soviet Union towards the more nationalist "socialism in one country"

>workers of the world unite

Communism is just another flavor of globalism

i really enjoyed his sarcasm and rhetorical questioning type style. i really wasn't aware of the shit that ent in the soviet union so it was eye opening to me i guess. the entire section on the trials i found really interesting. i can see how you think its repetitive in a way, but I'm enjoying the content so i didn't really notice.

>how hard you're trying to save face for him by throwing Stalin under the bus.
I never said that Stalin's expansion into the Warsaw pact was bad. In fact, It was a really smart idea. He had the political capital to do it and it made one country into a multi-National bloc capable of waging a half-century long cold war against the entire rest of the world.

Are you implying that Stalinism is not a kind of Communism?

Oh fuck off you stupid Nazi, Poland joined the Soviet Union willingly.

>Stalin's expansion into the Warsaw pact was bad. In fact, It was a really smart idea

the only good thing about the iron curtain was that it kept the countries behind it uncucked. Poland, Hungary don't take any shit for a reason

Anti-Communist ≠ Nazi

Western Liberalism has killed more people than Communism and Fascism combined
I Hope this is an ironic post.

what year does "Western Liberalism" begin? 1789?

I was thinking more 1776 but yes around then.

Darkness at Noon.

I don't think you know what materialism means

one can argue that the population wouldn't be spiraling out of control if it weren't for capitalism. I highly doubt whatever estimate of people killed by western liberalism you've made is equal to that

Someone didn't read it.

The guy actually wrote an essay about the history of Jews in Russia. He said that both the Jewish people and the Russians need to take responsibility for the radicals among themselves. I think our friends at /pol/ should consider that.

>You can kill as many people as you want as long as more of them are born.
Isn't that supposed to be my line?

the problem is it never got a proper English translation