Not remotely better or more virtuous than any political leader despite studying philosophy

>not remotely better or more virtuous than any political leader despite studying philosophy

PLATO BTFO

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Hegesias was the true redpill.

is there a single philosopher who has not been BTFO by history? philosophers are really the intellectual midgets of humanity, the should be mocked, not put on a pedestal by lonely brainlets with no talent for the sciences or literature

> In Paris, he failed to gain entry to the École Normale Supérieure twice.[26][27][28] He instead studied Philosophy at the University of Paris-Ouest Nanterre La Défense, obtaining a DEA degree (a master level degree, with a thesis on Machiavelli and Hegel).[21][29] Around 1999 Macron worked as an editorial assistant to Paul Ricoeur, the French Protestant philosopher who was then writing his last major work, La Mémoire, l'Histoire, l'Oubli. Macron worked mainly on the notes and bibliography.


Interesting. I should've studied Machiavelli and Hegel as well. Even if I didn't become the president of France, I'd at least probably marry my High School teacher.

It has barely been half a year.

>For me, my office isn't first and foremost a political or technical one. Rather, it is symbolic. I am a strong believer that modern political life must rediscover a sense for symbolism. We need to develop a kind of political heroism. I don't mean that I want to play the hero. But we need to be amenable once again to creating grand narratives. If you like, post-modernism was the worst thing that could have happened to our democracy. The idea that you have to deconstruct and destroy all grand narratives is not a good one. Since then, trust has evaporated in everything and everyone. I am sometimes surprised that it is the media that are the first ones to exhibit a lack of trust in grand narratives. They believe that destroying something is part of their journalistic purpose because something grand must inevitably contain an element of evil. Critique is necessary, but where does this hate for the so-called grand narrative come from?
the french actually elected a fucking peterson fanboy lmao

>not remotely better or more virtuous
Wrong.

>PLATO BTFO
Bitch, I bet you didn't even refuse to listen to sad music or roleplay bad guys in your playground games as a kid. That shit will fuck you up.

>balding is aesthetic now

wtf?

who is this semon demon?

For a Jew he's pretty cool.

>“Democracy is always presented as if it were incomplete, because democracy is not enough by itself,”

>"Fascism is preoccupied by the clothing (namely the forms of state organization), National-Socialism by the body (namely the racial eugenics), whereas Monarchism is preoccupied by something much deeper: by the soul (namely by its strengthening through the cultivation of Christian virtues and its preparation with final salvation in mind, salvation dealt with by the Christian Church in the most perfect fashion)."

> incredibly centrist

Oh boy, radical centrist memes incoming.

Noice

Anyone know what he wrote about?

Another proof that philosophy students are retarded

ahaha he's pseud-supreme

nice argument, did you learn that from your classroom debates?

kek sorry I didn't mean to trigger you

keK bro ahaaha get triggereed sjwW!1
#rekt

you didn't have to respond twice

philosophers shaped history, as well as the very idea of history, turbobrainlet

I am actually impressed. In contrast to Peterson, he has the right idea about what postmodernism is.

napoleon and alexander the great shaped history, philosophers just sucked their cocks

The ascent of Napoleon to power and the design of his centralized power apparatus was enabled by Enlightenment thinking, turbobrainlet.

>Alexander the great
>Philosophers just sucked their cocks
You realise he was taught by Aristotle? And Diogenes told him basically to fuck off when Alexander went to go talk to him

"Stand a little out of my sun".

>needs a monarchy
Need a fucking Sixth Republic to purge this filth

How does this differ from Peterson's view of postmodernism? It looks perfectly aligned to me. Grand narratives are at the core of what he talks about.

Peterson spoke about "postmodernist Marxists", which is a contradiction in itself, which panders to the populist and nonsensical alt-right narrative that postmodernism is a continuation of Marxism by other means.

His thought is a step more profound than that of, say, Merkel and Trump, but his politics is still good old neoliberalism, so what gives?

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and? philosophers are the little cuck of history, they lay the foundations of a culture but they never achieve neither historical greatness (in the sense of carlyle's great man theory) nor actual knowledge (meaning scientific knowledge)

He's well aware that it's a contradiction; he's said so numerous times. The cognitive dissonance is on the part of the neomarxists, not him.

>They lay the foundations
>They never achieve historical greatness

stefan molyneux laid the foundation of the rise of trump. tell me, did he achieve historical greatness?

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>in the sense of carlyle's great man theory
>actual knowledge (meaning scientific knowledge)
>calls others intellectual midgets

The amazing thing is that the bait, crude as it was, actually worked.

4/10.

>nor actual knowledge (meaning scientific knowledge
Scientific knowledge is not the totality of knowledge, brainlet. Sciencecucks can't even legitimate their own bullshit.

> p-please m-mr rocket s-scientist a-admit that you n-need philosophers to study scientific epistemology to legitimize the value of your research
you sound panicked

You should check out the philosophical writings of Niels Bohr, they're fairly interesting.

The fact that the last generation of truly brilliant scientists (Bohr, Einstein, Heisenberg, Planck) were all philosophically interested, and that the lack of genius in recent times coincide with a general lack of interest in and even disdain for philosophy, really, really activates my almonds.

I think Plato was talking about a group of philosophers with full control. Not a single person who doesn't have that much power to begin with.

>did his masters on Machiavelli
how on earth do people trust this sly bastard

>In Paris, he failed to gain entry to the École Normale Supérieure twice.[26][27][28] He instead studied Philosophy at the University of Paris-Ouest Nanterre La Défense, obtaining a DEA degree (a master level degree, with a thesis on Machiavelli and Hegel).

So he failed at STEM and turned to philosophy. Makes sense.

i am personally fascinated by the relationship between philosophy, humanities and science.

is there some good book that tackles the relationship between these fields?

the alternative was the counter-enlightenment in the face of le pen

HOW DARE YOU SPEAK ILL OF JUPITER
HIS THOUGHTS SPARKLE WITH A COMPLEXITY FAR BEYOND THE COMPREHENSION OF PLEBIANS SUCH AS YOURSELF

>the only great scientists are the ones I did my high-school report on

> who's shinichi mochizuki
> who's perelman
> who's edward witten
lmao philosophical brainlet strikes again

This is either a perfect bait or the biggest piece of namedropping pseudointellectualism I have I ever seen.

Name one scientist post-WWII who did anything close to what Bohr did.

damn my respect levels for Macron just peaked

He's way better than anyone in western Europe right now

Chompsky

Having a basic grasp on philosophy does not make you a good politician.
He continues the disastrous aimless politics of Hollands and Sarkozy.

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What disastrous politics?

what about that guy from tesla, who will bring ppl to space in 2020?

you mean the guy almost entirely funded by the government because he can't run a business in the free market and who delegates the research work to other people because he can't do it himself?

France is in its worst shape since decades, both economically (high levels of unemployment, McJobs on the rise, zero growth, rising govt debt) and socially (wave of terror and desorientation).

Yippie! Having the needs of the people and the functions of the state dictated and justified by the grand narratives for the ruling class. Glory days! Glad we could return--

How dumb are you people? The power has structure never changed. It takes more than a few bois snipping their peepees and dikes painting their hair to destroy the myths we live by.

Damn, I wanted to move there. Guess I'll just go to Germany.

Nice.

i guess you didnt get it. he's like a science steve jobs bruh

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Seems more like a temporary downturn due to the global financial crisis last decade.

ehehehehe nice one XD

You can still move there if you manage to get a good job. France is still a first world country, even if it is in decline. And it is still pathetically beautiful here and there.

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Even before the crisis, you had an unemployment rate of around 10% and above, plus a good deal of shit-tier jobs. 25% youth unemployment.

That is not normal for a country that used to match Germany in terms of erxonomic performance.

> MUH FREE MARKET

that's rich. how come that so many philosophers worshipped on Veeky Forums didn't sell a copy of their works while they were alive? sounds like free market is not that rational, isn't it?

aaaaaand? you know that every economy is growing, you do? also GDP can be raised by inflation

How can anyone look at the state of interpersonal relationships in the 21st century and not think that the cultural critics won? If it's something that's remained unchanged, then it's probably something inherent to the human personality

not sure if sarcasm or naive seppo

dumb frogposter

blomph

Why naive? Germany is actually growing. I have almost 0 chance to find a decent job here.

It's growing, alright.

>PLATO BTFO
But Macron is not a geometer.

>the french actually elected a fucking peterson fanboy lmao
And a monarchist, as per . In France. Yes. And they did all of this to escape the "nightmare" of voting an old woman scared of some Muslims. And there are people out there that somehow still think he's some manner of liberal (in the American sense, "social" liberal for Europeans).

Welcome to 21st century politics.

wtf I love macaroon now

but prove him wrong though

Dude, I'm Italian. Why the fuck should I care about a couple of refugees (we have even more here, so idgaf) if the alternative is starving or living with mamma till she dies. Are you american?

The /pol/ narrative has little to do with day-to-day reality. Germany is peaceful and everyone has a chance

>state of interpersonal relationships in the 21st century

They are roughly the same as they were centuries before. Perhaps better, because people do not have to worry about survival all the time and have more time for introspection

They're not roughly the same as they were centuries before. There's been a wave of atomization and social dislocation since the Church stopped serving its communal roles, and since families went from extended to nuclear, and as marriages went from life-long contracts to decade-long temporary arrangements. We live very differently to our pre-20th century ancestors.

>Dude, I'm Italian.
In that case nevermind, good luck migrant

Thanks

You are adopting a Sprengler-ian or Rousseau-an view of Western civilization as one in constant decline.

In the times you speak about most people never had an elaborate private life. Most were farmers and workers that lacked basic self-awareness. They worked 60h on a factory, fucked, died. The individual quest for happiness was barely a thing back then.

École Normale Supérieure isn't just STEM though as far as I know.

> The school has achieved particular recognition in the fields of mathematics and physics as one of France's foremost scientific training grounds, along with notability in the human sciences as the spiritual birthplace of authors such as Julien Gracq, Jean Giraudoux, Assia Djebar, and Charles Péguy, philosophers such as Henri Bergson, Jean-Paul Sartre, Louis Althusser, Simone Weil, Maurice Merleau-Ponty and Alain Badiou, social scientists such as Émile Durkheim, Raymond Aron, and Pierre Bourdieu, and "French theorists" such as Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida.


Although my knowledge of this is limited since it's only stuff my French friends talked about, but iirc taking the exam to the Ecole is only allowed to those who had very good results in High School and spend a year or more in preparation for the exam with weekly tests (so basically extra High School years). And failing the exam just means that you get to go to another Uni with no extra effort on your part.

Yep, it's not just stem.
It's basically a school for the best of the best. We have a similar one here called Scuola Normale.

My views aren't as straightforward as Sprengler's. This is a fairly recent phenomenon, and is taking place alongside notable improvements in our material conditions. The notion that peasants never had elaborate private lives is questionable, but besides the point. The point is that every social movement we've had to free us from the tyranny of the collective have only served to alienate us from one another, and to atomize the individual by telling him that the only duty he has is to his own subjectivity.

Junge du bist so ein Haufen Scheisse. Hast du mal die Augen auf gemacht? Warst du mal draussen oder sitzt du nur in deinem Keller? Wenn ja, wohnst du im Bauernkaff? /Pol/ Narrativ hin oder her, hier gehen Sachen ab die vor 10/20 Jahren undenkbar waren

Du hast mich gefragt und ich hab nichts gesagt. Willst du bis der Tod uns scheidet . Treue sein für alle Tage. Sie lieben auch in schlechten Tagen.

Machiavelli, Nietzsche

I ciociari sono terroni? Non l'ho mai capito

Heil Hitler

cazzo t'aspetti se ti laurei in lettere?

honk?

Ma chi cazzo ha parlato di lettere turboricchione

>Nein
Deine Antwort auf "Warst du mal draussen?"
Okay.

che percorso lavorativo hai alle spalle allora?

Ancora mi devo laureare, sto al secondo anno.

The only issue that truly matters is immigration and his philosophy hardly prepared him to handle it.