The combined vision of all the thinkers of the Enlightenment amounts to nothing. - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

The combined vision of all the thinkers of the Enlightenment amounts to nothing. - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Glad someone said it.

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Nope.
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i wouldnt say that if i were you

the enlightenment is responsible for most applicable scientific and medical progress, as well as secular capitalism and the end of religious wars.

so he was wrong. marxism is only one of the many products of the enlightenment. and what stalin and lenin did in russia had little in common with orthodox marxism in the first place.

The Enlightenment was a huge step backwards on our path away from progress. If we could sweep away the last three or four centuries and sift the dust for wisdom we would end up with only a naked rabbit of lint screaming, "Go back."

"I think the enlightenment was nothing but the French Revolution and faggots like Rousseau"

rousseau was anti-enlightenment

>End of religious wars
I don't think you've been paying attention to the Middle East for the past 16 years. Traditionalist Muslims fighting against Modern "democracy" is anything but the end of religious wars. Have you seen how many terrorist attacks have been on European soil?

What the enlightenment brought about was waves of mediocre individuals (the masses) who only put value on consumables. The family unit is destroyed. Instant gratification is at the very top of the needs hierarchy.

Idiotic concepts like Democracy are championed. Your vote doesn't actually matter and the voter realizes this, they just like the satisfaction of roleplaying as a decision maker.

But yes, the enlightenment is responsible for medical progress. Now we can prolong our superficial existences.

> Enlightenment
> thinkers
Top keks.

>I don't think you've been paying attention to the Middle East for the past 16 years.

i obviously meant europe and north america, the places where the enlightenment is the dominant paradigm.

the rest of your posting boils down to sprengler-style lamentation and i see no need to comment it, since its a sentiment, not a philosophy.

Muslim rape gangs are roaming the capitals of every European country raping young girls by the tens of thousands while in Europe and America there are weekly Jihadist terrorist attacks.

in the usa, there are weekly mass shootings, albeit they often have nothing to do with terrorism.

on the other hand, i cannot remember the last terror attack in germany or france.

>on the other hand, i cannot remember the last terror attack in germany or france.

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>i cannot remember the last terror attack in germany or france.
Europe in Islamist attacks 2017:
18. March: Orly Airport attack, France
22. March: Westminster attack, UK
3. April: St. Petersburg Metro bombing, Russia
7. April: Stockholm truck attack, Sweden
20. April: Champs-Élysées attack, France
22. May: Manchester Arena bombing, UK
3. June: London Bridge attack, UK
6. June: Notre Dame attack, France
20. June: Brussels attack, Belgium
9. August: Levallois-Perret attack, France
17. August: Catalonia attacks, Spain
18. August: Turku stabbing, Finland (2km from where I sit now)
25. August: August Brussels attack, Belgium
And now the muzzies have gone to sleep for the winter, the spring will be full of new surprises. Also arabs are expected to kill people during christmas. Take note that I only listed attacks which have cost lives, there have been many many foiled plans and unsuccessful attacks around.

>Obviously my post was meant in a very narrow context.
Even in a European context religious terrorism is common. Look at the refugee crisis and how idiotically Europe is handling it. This is all a consequence of the Enlightenment.
>I have no meaningful way to address the negative effects of the Enlightenment.

>what stalin and lenin did in russia had little in common with orthodox marxism in the first place.

does being an American mean you absolutely have to fangirl over the enlightenment? It's quite overrated if you ask me

>the enlightenment is responsible for most applicable scientific and medical progress,
That was the renaissance
>as well as secular capitalism
So, cancer that was made fun of endlessly until the present dau
>and the end of religious wars.
No, just no.
>and lenin did in russia had little in common with orthodox marxism in the first place.
Again, another meme that makes it clear you don't know what you are talking about. Russia was the embodiement of everything Marxism had to be in order to bring about a communist state.

>stalin and lenin did in russia had little in common with orthodox marxism
people still repeating this?

Zero deadly Islamist attacks in Germany in 2017

Compare this to the number of gun nuts shootings in the US and you’ll find what the actual problem is

The Renaissance did little do develop scientific methods, they arose much later

Marx was hoping for a revolution of the working class, which was absent in Russia in the first place. Instead, you got a revolutionary “elite” of intellectuals forcing peasants into Communism and forming a state - something Marx opposed.

There’s a reason Leninism is called Leninism and not Russian Marxism.

The refugee crisis is a consequence of the lack of Enlightenment in Africa and the Near East, where lack of family planning led to overpopulation

So is religious terrorism. It's a product of lack of enlightenment

Being an American means you shouldn't even know about the enlightenment, or anything that doesn't fall under contemporary popculture.

If you read anything other than NYT bestsellers and meme books, you were born in the wrong country in my opinion.

.t European dude working in culture-related tourism, meeting a few hundred Americans a day. Yanks are plebs is my motto.

>Zero deadly Islamist attacks in Germany in 2017
That's all you picked out from my post? I really can't comprehend the logic of islam apologists
The list I made was incomplete: here are some of the muslim attacks this year in Germany
2017.01.11 Germany, Oberhausen: A man yelling praises to Allah stabs a customer at a store parking lot. 1 wounded
2017.04.29 Germany, Prien am Chiemsee: A woman is stabbed to death in front of her two children over her decision to leave Islam for Christianity. 1 dead
2017.06.01 Germany, Oldenburg: A father of two is stabbed to death by two Muslims for smoking during Ramadan and refusing to fast. 1 dead
2017.07.28 Germany, Hamburg: A man on a mission to kill Christians rushes into a supermarket and stabs five people, one of whom dies. 1 dead, 4 wounded

Mentally ill folks seem to be the big problem in US, but completely clearly thinking folks from a murderous region with a murderous religion are the bigger problem in Europe

In both Brussels attacks the only victim was the assailant you inacurate faggot.

Hang on now, you're comparing apples and golf carts here. "Zero deadly Islamic attacks in Germany in 2017" but comparing that to domestic shootings not grounded in terrorism in the US. That makes no sense friendo as it doesn't take into account domestic shootings in Germany or the number of terrorist attacks in the US which so far as I can tell is 1 in 2017 and for quite some time before that. Plus it only happened a few days ago killing 8 people with a truck. So trying to insinuate that American gun ownership is somehow a bigger problem than terrorists in Islam is a pretty pathetic argument on all fronts, especially considering that legally owned guns are extremely rarely used in crimes.

tourists in generals are plebs

Also take into account that the US is a huge country of 9 834 000 km2 with a population of 322 100 000, while France for example is a country of 643 801 km2 with a population of 67 158 000

Here's a more complete and correct list:
2017.10.01 France Marseille 2 0 A man shouting praises to Allah slits the throat of one women and stabs another to death.
2017.10.01 Russia Tetkino 1 0 Muslim terrorists murder a border guard.
2017.09.30 England Birmingham 0 1 A 14-year-old Shiite is stabbed in a targeted attack by Sunni radicals.
2017.09.29 Russia Belogorsk 2 2 An observant Muslim soldier turns his automatic weapon on non-Muslim peers, killing two.
2017.09.15 France Bourgogne-Franche-Comté 0 2 A man shouting 'Allah Akbar' attacks two women with a hammer, severely injuring both.
2017.09.15 England London 0 29 A 'cell of several Jihadis' set off an incendiary bomb on a passenger train.
2017.09.14 France Toulouse 0 7 A man shouting praises to Allah violently assaults strangers on the street.
2017.08.31 Sweden Stockholm 0 1 A police officer is stabbed in the neck by a Muslim migrant.
2017.08.25 Belgium Brussels 0 2 A Somali asylum seeker attacks police with a machete while shouting praises to Allah and carrying a Quran.
2017.08.25 England London 0 3 A man shouting 'Allah Akbar' drives his car into a group of police and slashes at them with a sword.
2017.08.19 Russia Surgut 0 8 An Islamic extremist stabs eight people outside a row of shops.
2017.08.18 Finland Turku 2 6 A Muslim terrorist stabs two women to death along a city street.
2017.08.17 Spain Barcelona 14 130 A Muslim driver mows down over a hundred pedestrians along a venue, killing fourteen, including a 3-year-old and his mother.
2017.08.17 Spain Cambrils 1 6 Five Jihadis drive their car into a crowd of people, then stab a woman to death.
2017.08.17 Spain Barcelona 1 0 A man is stabbed to death by a Muslim terrorist.
2017.08.16 Spain Alcanar 1 6 A woman is killed in a house blown up accidently by an Islamic cleric making a bomb.
2017.08.09 France Paris 0 6 A Muslim living illegally in France deliberately plows his car into a group of soldiers.
2017.07.28 Germany Hamburg 1 4 A man on a mission to kill Christians rushes into a supermarket and stabs five people, one of whom dies.
2017.07.21 England Norfolk 0 2 A guard and prisoner have their throats slashed by a Muslim yelling 'This is for Allah'…
2017.07.17 Italy Milan 0 1 A migrant stabs a police officer while yelling about being a martyr for Allah.
2017.06.30 Austria Linz 2 0 A 'radicalized' Muslim slits the throats of an elderly couple in their home.
(1/2)

The list doesn't fit to two posts and it works so that first is the date, then the place, then the number of fatalities, then the number of injured, then a brief description of the incident.
2017.06.20 Belgium Brussels 0 0 A suicide nail bomber attempts to aerate passengers at a train station.
2017.06.19 France Paris 0 0 A suicide bomber targets police along the Champs-Elysees.
2017.06.18 France Lot-et-Garonne 0 1 A young Jihadi nearly stabs a French farmer to death while yelling praises to Allah.
2017.06.07 England London 0 1 A unveiled woman is slashed with a knife by three women chanting about Allah and quoting from the Quran.
2017.06.06 France Paris 0 1 A radicalized Muslim attacks a cop with a hammer outside the Notre Dame cathedral.
2017.06.03 England London 8 48 Three former migrants to Europe shout "this is for Allah" as they plow into pedestrians on London Bridge and then proceed to a market, where they stab anyone within reach. Eight others are left dead.
2017.06.01 Germany Oldenburg 1 0 A father of two is stabbed to death by two Muslims for smoking during Ramadan and refusing to fast.
2017.05.22 England Manchester 22 119 Children are among twenty-two young people blown up at a concert by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2017.05.18 Italy Milan 0 3 A militant Muslim stabs three people at a train station.
2017.04.29 Germany Prien am Chiemsee 1 0 A woman is stabbed to death in front of her two children over her decision to leave Islam for Christianity.
2017.04.27 France Reunion 0 2 An Islamic radical shoots two police officers.
2017.04.21 Russia Khabarovsk 2 1 An Islamic State gunman storms a government building and kills two people, including a visitor.
2017.04.20 France Paris 1 2 An Islamic extremist sprays a police car with bullets along the Champs-Elysees, killing one officer.
2017.04.08 Russia Malgobek 2 0 Islamic militants step in front of a police car and spray two officers with machine-gun fire.
2017.04.07 Sweden Stockholm 5 14 A 'radicalized' Muslim steals a truck and mows down five pedestrians, including an 11-year-old girl.
2017.04.04 Russia Astrakhan 2 0 Islamic State gunmen take out a pair of traffic cops.
2017.04.04 France Paris 1 0 A young Muslim man throws a 66-year-old Jewish woman to her death from a balcony while praising Allah.
(2/3)

2017.04.03 Russia St. Petersburg 15 49 A Fedayeen subway bomber sends ball bearing and bolts through a subway car, aerating fifteen commuters.
2017.03.22 England London 5 29 A Muslim man mows down pedestrians on a bridge, killing a teacher, tourist and an elderly man, before stabbing a police officer to death. A fifth victim succumbs weeks later.
2017.03.21 Italy Foggia 0 1 A Muslim 'migrant' attempts to rams his car into police, then attacks officers with a knife.
2017.03.18 France Paris 0 1 A man 'here to die for Allah' is gunned down by airport security as he tries to snatch a weapon.
2017.03.17 France Paris 2 0 A father and son's throats are slit by a family member yelling 'Allah Akbar'.
2017.02.03 France Paris 0 0 A man wielding a machete charges guests at the Louvre while shouting 'Allah Akbar!'
2017.01.11 Germany Oberhausen 0 1 A man yelling praises to Allah stabs a customer at a store parking lot.
2017.01.01 Turkey Istanbul 39 69 A man screaming praises to Allah guns down thirty-nine celebrants at a New Year's Eve party at a nightclub.

Also this report is of what is not listed here, that is to say the failed attempts: europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/2017-eu-terrorism-report-142-failed-foiled-and-completed-attacks-1002-arrests-and-142-victims-died

Medical progress is the dumbest meme. It's basically treated like this argument to end all arguments on the subject of whether or not technological progress is good or not. Oh user, you say that now, but back then you'd die of cholera in your 40's. Well no shit, now I get to live 40 extra useless years and die in agony in a nursing home in my 80's when all of my closest friends are gone and all hope of an honorable death is gone b/c I'm a crippled, senile invalid.

>inacurate
It's spelled inaccurate, Achmed

Autism and has nothing to do with the thread

Take your /pol/ two-digit-IQ discourse elsewhere

Most children died before reaching the age of 3 back then, so there's a high chance you and I wouldn't have this conversation without medicine

And there's no recorded decline in happiness with higher age in surveys. In fact, boomers still make more money than young people

>can't handle discourse on contemporary hot topics
Ya really dun' understand what's up nowadays by staring at those dusty ol' books, huh Prof!

>Most children died before reaching the age of 3 back then
And now they're killed by the millions before they're even born. Using medical progress as an example doesn't even make sense because our civilization doesn't value human life.

>science cannot know nuffin
>muh Orthodox mysticism
wtf i am now a christian

>muh real communism
to laugh or to cry

>the enlightenment is responsible for most applicable scientific and medical progress
the best scientists were christian, you don't need to abandon philosophy, morality, prayer and spirituality to build rockets and guns and nukes and giant polluting machines that destroy cities


> well as secular capitalism and the end of religious wars.
secular capitalism and secular socialism-marxism are disgusting plagues upon the human race that reduce primary considerations to economic and material interest.

>the enlightenment is responsible for most applicable scientific and medical progress, as well as secular capitalism and the end of religious wars.
No it's not. Scientific and medical progress was made by scientific and medical geniuses. Secular capitalism was made by politicians/the people jointly. Religious wars were ended by politicians/people jointly.

The Enlightenment is just some broad, not-completely-objective term used for some philosophers of a certain time period and place with certain ideas.