I've made a post similar to this in another thread but I think it's worth having further discussion

Repressing and controlling your instincts is necessary for civilization to exist you turbobrainlet

Disassociation does not equal hatred.

Bet you love wearing a chastity cage, libcuck retard feminist

what you're asking for is not fucking the woman at all and instead ejaculating on the floor
rape is not a basic instinct, procreation is. we are one of the few animals that actually evolved the concept of consent, and together with it - tribalism. it's only natural to want to protect your tribe and defend against the other

not the instinct of self-preservation, spastic

>western cultural biases
>literally a series of geometrical patterns

okay lol

he probably loves to see white women mounted by ape-like savages, like the leftist cuck he is

It's absolutely disgusting how we designed the test so Asians and Jews are on top. Almost in ways that match the general stratification of society.
I read something on AmRen years ago that pretty well summed up how I feel about this. It's pretty clear that there are differences in IQ (and other traits) in average between different races but it's a boring thing to talk about. It doesn't automatically lead to any final solutions and in the end everyone is an individual and should be treated as such.

>he thinks fighting for cultural supremacy is an instinct of self-preservation
lol

>With it in mind, would you say that our racism is more naturally inclined towards a sense of competition and exclusivity rather than encouraging resentment of one another?
If I understood you correctly I would say yes. I think the resentment comes out of perceived competition and exclusivity.

That's my personal viewpoint based on what I've read.

racism has nothing to do with skin color... at least not nowadays. Nowadays it's all about behavior. Maybe centuries ago when people were dumber.

lol pretty funny how whites stopped believing in IQ when they realized they were not the masterrace they thought they were haha

The only people who refuse to acknowledge the realities of IQ are leftist cucks

go to /pol/ you moron...

the belief in IQ never went away.

it's a self-preservation thing in the sense that I don't want people from different cultures having anything to do with mine, they can fuck off back to their own
lots of people from different backgrounds come into a region built and shaped by my kind, a region i have an obligation to preserve, and they start forming their own communities, thus keeping alive their own culture and customs and destroying mine in the process. the same with race.
and if that makes me a supremacist then carve a swastika into my forehead and call me the Grand Wizard of KKK

so you acknowledge your asian overlords, good boy:)

i fully submit to Rice Cock
rule my soul and body, o great chink masters

I see what you're saying. I agree with that. It just gets me down to see so much bitterness going around when compassion and understanding would do us all so much better. It genuinely does not feel good to hold resentment for another man and I believe on that basis alone the sentiment should be done away with. I'm all fine with everyone keeping to themselves. And I understand that these spiteful feelings boil when one feels that they are being infringed upon by another "tribe". But I believe that dwelling on those negative feelings will only cause us more suffering. I find a great absurdity in the amount of "intellectuals" who find abhorrence with any notion of empathy towards one another. I understand that it is a hard feeling to develop for many. But I wish more people would try.

The logic is that it’s a great scam, lots of people are willing to accept policies that go against their own interest as long as you guarantee them that they will never be last

in al seriousness though i hope whites come to see things this way - themselves as the Butlers of Asia - as leasy your above blacks, theyre for digging up coal and shovelling and such

Just to continue this sentiment. I'd also like to reiterate my feeling that it is also absurd to develop a notion of supermacy based on who has a higher IQ. That's so silly to me. Especially considering that measurement is not the some of all of man's capabilities. All races have contributed things of value to the world in different mediums. Why are people so obsessed with being "the master race".

Even in the black community I've noticed assertions of our superiority to others and I find it equally as ridiculous as other races doing it. We won't grow from anything if all our ambition is out of spite for one another. I plan on doing what I can to encourage a more compassionate way of thinking amongst other black people. As well as doing away with feelings of inferiority and superiority. I hope other communities do the same.

Modern IQ tests are culturally neutral

My genetics need to prosper while genetics of others don't need to. If I support those with my genetics then I am acting in my own interest. It is entirely logical on a biological level.

Different races have different genetic personalities. They are adapted to different environments and will act upon what worked in where they evolved. Some groups will be more impulsive and violent while others will be more passive and focus on long term plans. As such it is logical for me to pick being around people with better group traits.

You have fallen for the myth that racism is illogical hate. It is the complete reverse. It is logical to care for your family, they are your closest genetic match. Expand the family out in circles. Me > Parents/Siblings > Cousins/aunts/uncles > My village > My county > My nation. I should be putting each of those before the others. Entirely logical and healthy. Being anti-racism is saying "No, I don't wish for people like me to prosper, I wish to sacrifice my success for someone else's genetic group to prosper". Imagine a dog doing that for a cat, you could call them insane

>what's the logic of recognizing patterns and adjusting your behavior accordingly
Uh.... logic?

If IQ tests are biased towards Westerners, then why do Asians routinely outperform whites?

If IQ tests are biased against brown people, then why do brown people perform better on the culturally-dependent verbal sections instead of the g-loaded mathematical reasoning sections?

And to cap it all off, why do brown people actually perform WORSE on so-called "culture-fair" tests that are designed to eliminate Western bias?

>spiteful
>negative feeling
>lack of empathy
You realize your vocabulary, thus your ideas, are extremely ideologically charged, right?
There's nothing inherently spiteful or negative about sticking to your own; that's just a value judgement.

good post sir

ps look up an essay by the geneticist Stephen Jay Gould called 'The Mismeasure of Man' in rebuttal of The Bell Curve

The Bell Curve is not a racist book
I just wanted to get that out of the way

That "rebuttal" was such a catastrophic failure that it probably did more to support The Bell Curve's scientific acceptance than any defense by Murray and Herrenstein

You may have misread me, I didn't claim that sticking to your own was spiteful. I actually agree with the notion. I'm saying that developing spiteful feelings after the fact does not feel good and should not be something encouraged or dwelled on. I don't believe my ideas to be incredibly idealistic because I have experienced their benefit personally, as someone who had been incredibly misanthropic and inclined to resent the white man. And I believe that through proper guidance within each community similar ideas can be cultivated. It will be incredibly difficult, but worthwhile. And no I don't believe everyone will end up holding hands singing kumbaya. I just want people to stop dwelling in feelings that are of no use to anyone.

Racist whites think this IQ test proves I'm dumb, but the joke's on them because I don't know what "regatta" means

You sound like a sniveling little cock roach with no experience in anything at all.

If I run faster than you then I am superior to you at running. It is not "supremacy" to say "I am superior than you at running because I can run faster and further than you".

You act like everyone is equal and that there is no such thing as a positive or negative in life and that some people/groups will be superior based on the amount of positives they have.

Every race except blacks have had huge empires spanning continents. Some of them have regressed since them while others have expanded. It is objectively true to say that white people have contributed more to humanity than blacks have. That whites, Arabs and Asians have pushed civilization forward while blacks have not.

As such we can make the honest value judgement that investing in the negro is a bad investment. We should instead invest in Asians and Whites, who will then prosper for the betterment of all races through a trickle down effect.

But back to my point. You're an inferior male, the way you talk, the way you act, the way you express your ideas say that. You only wish for these ideas because you know instinctively that you are inferior. Your only hope of competing is if you destroy the entire system of competition by trying to devalue it. Your mating strategy is to sabotage the quality testing so that you can sneak your beta penis inside a woman. We see it, we know why you're doing it and we laugh at how pathetic it is.

There is a real misunderstanding of genetics by non-specialists though and its there for sure in the Bell curve.

They are not environment neutral tho fuckface

If whites so smart why can’t they understand epigenetics?

Whites are quite clearly the "master race" if there is one. IQ is a good indicator of potential success but whites are the only group that has evolved a strong, too strong for our own good sometimes, sense of individualism. This is responsible for creativity and thinking outside the box and ultimately innovation. Jews and Asians, despite their high IQs and rote learning ability, have never created much of anything. While whites have created nearly everything.

>has never read Freud: the post

Gould? Lol. Gould was a jew whose reputation was destroyed by his scientific dishonesty.

In groups are mostly cultural now then genetic. It works in families, but two Arabs are as much related as Spanish guy and a Russian. Genetics differences then are so little and on such vast samples that is ridicolous (races as you know them don’t really exist).

The genetic part, once you are distant enough to fuck goes outside the window as the piece of pseudoscience that it is.

I think you're projecting that last paragraph onto me. I hold these values because I wish to live by them and through them become closer with God and help my people. Amongst other things naturally..

I'm not saying that one person can't be "better at running" than another and that they shouldn't acknowledge this. I'm saying excessive pride leading to bitterness is wrong. If you don't feel that way then ok.

I understand that speaking sincerely on a website saturated in irony and vitriol may come off as inappropriate. But I'm not sure why you feel recognizing that gives you some great understanding of my psyche.

I would love to read more of whatever document that is. Would you please, kindly state the source?

>applies the sexual fantasies of a coked-out nihilistic kike to everyone he meets: the reply

If you don't like Gould, you can go with H. Allen Orr, or Richard Levins, or Massimo Pigliucci.

At the top: Human Accomplishment by the same author of the Bell Curve, Charles Murray.

>They are not environment neutral

The average IQ of 100 is based on whatever is average in white people. Whites as a group are always the average.

The reason we see Asians doing better is because there are more of them. Since high intelligence is a genetic mutation the more of you that exist the more mutants you will have. As such since Asians aren't held back by having low IQ like blacks, they have far more genius mutants than any other group.

>I don't know anything about anything, but you should not know anything about anything like I do.

>thinks freudian theory is relevant in 2017

I'm not even white, cuz.

It's funny how the most pathetic claim you're projecting when you point out what they're doing. They can't argue against you so they have to turn to "no, u" like a child.

You're a pathetic excuse for a man so you try to devalue those better than you. Your entire ideology is to drag everyone down to your level so that you don't have to compete.

You're not even self aware of what you're doing and how pathetic you sound.

IQ is an american scam for selling tests at high prices.

IQ predicts high SAT scores. SAT scores determine what college you get in. College determines your future career.

Yeah wow, I'll call the IQ Nostradamus.

Doesn't know freudian theory is relevant in 2017.

Thank you, friend. I will add this to the book queue.

Please explain how tests take into consideration factors as:
-nutrition
-family's education
-educational resources in the neighborhood and family
-life security
-mental illness that comes from poverty and abuse

>tfw to intelligent to not systematically invade and oppress the native peoples of the world

t. the white race

Whites also have the greatest amount of genetic variation of any group. Just as we are the only group that doesn't have mud-colored hair and eyes, we also have a widest range of genetic intelligence, including the most +++ IQ individuals. Asians are also more like high functioning robots than creative geniuses as you're supposing. Take it from someone who's lived over there.

You boys should know it is ridiculous to reply to Freudposting, and it needs not be encouraged.

IQ wasn't invented for anything like that. It predates the SATs by decades

>Everyone who states facts is a libruuuuul
Back to plebbit.

Depends what you mean with self-preservation. Arguably, the fact that people have been able to suppress their self preservation instinct on the personal level (preservation of the I) and redirect it onto a larger structure (the family, the state, God etc) has been the deciding factor for the success of their civilization.

How does this book solve the issue that a society would obviously places higher emphasis on their own achievers? It seems obvious that as western culture has its direct roots in the big four we'd pay greater attention to their history rather than ones from countries in the periphery.

I never said Asians were creative. Whites are clearly the most creative race. Asians are very good at refining something and sharpening it to a point only autism can.

There is a reason why Asians being bug people is a meme.

But it has been proven that even while raised in the same, sufficient environments (read: black children raised by whites in upper middle class families), blacks consistently get lower scores than whites on both biased and culturally neutral IQ tests. Literally type race and IQ on youtube and you will quickly find the sources.

I don't think Murray gets into what you're asking. He's a bit of a cuck.

The studies that correlate it to better career outcome are all made or financed by groups who are trying to sell it to companies to use it to select personnel.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Job_performance

It's the same with people that sell the mbti and the whole industry of personality test that dumbasses in hr constantly invest in.

It's the same reason why the APA and the DSM are so much test based. Because people invent test and then sell them to hospitals as diagnostic tools for millions of dollars.

Once you leave the US no one cares about IQ and finds it a pretty silly test that has no utility other then score cognitive abilities of people (i.e. you get someone after an injury and you want to see if he is reasoning ok or if the injury affected his cognitive abilities).

Isn't it suspicious that this form is super popular in one country, and completely disregarded in university departments literally everywhere else?

They don't and they don't need to, that's my point. Why should a test neutralize factors that effectively change your overall intelligence? It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do

Racism is an inherent biological trait. Observation of nature/the animal kingdom validates this. Humans are tribal creatures and are naturally inclined to associate/cooperate with others who naturally appear to be a part of their tribe.
>What is the logic behind racism? Im talking beyond the biological reaction of "he looks different than me, i cant trust him!"
Forced integration is a failed experiment. Not even /pol/-tier memeing, just look at the state of current sociological affairs throughout the west; more so whites than blacks, but both groups are (to varying extents) sick of being told that we must be accepting of each other when there are blatant cultural/biological discrepancies. Both whites and blacks are reacting to all of this in their own ways, but it's reaching a header, and things are only going to get worse before they get better.

you said they have more genuises

Yes because I'm going to get my scientific knowledge from youtube.

Tell me which study it is and I will lead you through it's bullshit methodology, because if something like that would have proven, the discussion on IQ would be completely different today.

No one is saying it's the end all be all, and whites itt who are acknowledging that jews and Asians score on average higher are saying that it can't measure for creativity, with spatial tests being somewhat limited, that have led to whites inventing nearly everything.

Mean IQ of populations is the most important factor anyway.

Meanwhile every genius since the Renaissance has been German or British...'genius level IQ' is some proud soccer mom tier bullshit

>literally predicts grades in the education system, job performance and lifetime economic success better than any other metric
>it's irrelevant though lmao, only idiots care about it

Didn't know Leonardo was a german.

>Meanwhile every genius since the Renaissance has been German or British
Imagine being this illiterate.

There has been multiple studies on this.

The problem you're having is that you think "science" is some sort of magical entity that changes society. You're acting as if the current political system doesn't suppress things it doesn't want out there. The reason why the discussion on IQ is controversial at all is because the West is suiciding it's self on equality and a denial of biology. It doesn't matter how much evidence you present, you're not going to stop a cult that screams racist as it's form of heresy.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

Taking things absolutely literally is a sign of a low IQ, sorry guy

The point is that it doesn't. Verbal IQ predict how well you will do in school. More logic based IQ predict your SAT which predict the school you will go.

And again: explain why no one else in the world literally gives a shit about it? Are the only good psychology departments in the US?

Imagine having this bad an inferiority complex

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
>130 children

Ok.

actually, yes.

There are no world class colleges in Europe outside of Oxbridge. Not sure about Asia but thats so culturally different you cant compare.

> lwhite american
>thinking you're superior in any way to a nigger

I don't think what you're saying is true. Though I explained the reasons for my belief to you, you insist that they are otherwise, why is that?

I said you were projecting because the things you told me are not actually related to my ideology. It seems more like a reactionary claim to your own ideology feeling threatened.

Do you think this makes sense? I tell you that I want compassion to permeate and I have adopted such values through spirituality. You hear this, and tell me that it is actually some secret desire to lower the playing field so I can get a leg up. Why do you think this is true? Why do you, a person on an anonymous forum, think you understand the ideology of another anonymous man, without knowing his true character at all?

It would be like if I told you that your responses were a result of a hidden inferiority complex. Or that you secretly envy a black penis and that's why you go out of your way to denounce it online. Does that sound absurd to you? If so, then you may understand how I feel hearing your claims about me.

Ultimately, it's fine. I'm responding, knowing that you'll probably just either not respond or reiterate what you've already said. But maybe you'll hear me out? Or maybe you'll continue. I really don't know, but I hope you do consider that you may just be very angry and arrogant.

Happy 12th birthday!

You pseud:

cwur.org/2017.php

And most of the differences on impact is because of financing with professors teaching a semester in the us to finance their research and that's where it gets published.

So this thread seems to have devolved into a bunch of posts arguing whether or not IQ is effected by race. Let's conclude that it is. This being so, why do you feel that is effective grounds to debase one another? Why is it not simple enough to say "i can do this and he can't" and move on.

What do you think inspires men to develop the notion of superiority to another race? Or rather, what do you think inclines men to romanticize the idea of a "master race"?

>What is the logic behind racism?
It's part of the sexual competition that sets in with puberty. It seems to be a lot more prevalent in dumber people with poor self-esteem who feel sexually inadequate and have low social status.

>whether or not IQ is effected [sic] by race
There is no question that it is. But you should take your naive humanism to reddit. IQ is a proxy for talking about human difference in the face of the jewish elite preaching equality throughout the west as they did communism throughout the east last century. The point is to break down the lies so that whites can eventually remove the non-whites being shoehorned into our countries by the millions.

>whether or not IQ is effected by race. Let's conclude that it is. This being so, why do you feel that is effective grounds to debase one another?
Ok, in that case, why would any sane white person, taking into account this conclusion we've established, that their IQ is higher than that of a black person's, opt to work with somebody who visibly (based on skin color) has a lower IQ? That doesn't make any sense, and is more likely to be a losing trade for the one with the higher IQ, assuming the IQ difference is great.

I think that's a valid point. However, it doesn't necessarily account for the fact that not every white person that man works with would have a higher IQ than every black person he worked with. It'd definitely work if there weren't thousands of exceptions on either side. Even if the general consensus is that one is lesser than the other. It doesn't mean that it'll be inherently true on a case by case level.

I feel you. I definitely agree that my ideology is not at all suitable for the modern world in terms of practicality. We've been so conditioned into these sorts of "equality isn't real" systems that it sounds silly to suggest otherwise.

Can you (or anyone) elaborate the issue whites take with POC being brought into their countries?

My ideal society (as a black man) is for everyone to just fuck off from each other and show love to people they don't understand. Granted, that doesn't really seem attainable these days.

No one cares what you think. The way you speak and your ideas tell us who you are. We can see through your bullshit and see that you're just weak.

You have to project your weakness onto other people in order to keep any sort of ego that would other wise collapse your mental health if you admitted to it.

You wish to destroy the hierarchy because you cannot compete within it. The reason you wish for compassion is because you know there are superior people around you and you need them to lower themselves to your level. You need them to give up their superior position so that you're no longer inferior.

The language people use tell you about their personality. It tells you what type of ideology they buy into and how they see the world. Your language, your approach to this topic screams beta male. The type of guy who thinks feminism will get him laid because if he destroys the family and makes all women into sluts then he might get a little pussy. That's the level of pathetic you come across as.

My ideology is based on natural law. I don't feel inferior. I don't need to project my inferiority onto others as you are doing. I know I can compete within natural law. I know that I am a strong enough man that I don't have to collapse the system to achieve things in life. I do not fear you or any one else's criticism of my ideology because I know that ultimately there is only natural law and everything else is simply a temporary blip before it collapses and reverts back to natural law

>that their IQ is higher than that of a black person's
By that logic if their IQ was higher than the average person then why would they opt to work with any person?

There we go folks! We have a winner! Roll up! Roll up! Come see the amazing Negro!

The reason why this guy is so obsessed with equality is because he comes from an inferior race. He's trying to argue that he should be allowed into a superior white country because his race never built anything but spears and mud huts. His entire motivation is not about compassion, it's about being a parasite off of functional races since knows his cannot compete.

This threads done. Mods should lock it. It's just a negro trying to mind fuck his superiors.

>You wish to destroy the hierarchy because you cannot compete within it.
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