He's in the same realm as Christ in that sense. Irrefutable.
Kevin Jenkins
>point out inconsistencies in Nietzsche's thought I've never understood why people would critique a philosopher for this. They're human beings, not mechanical ideologues who only say and believe things that perfectly coincide with their infinitely elaborate world-view. Of course he changed his mind about certain topics. Any intelligent person does.
Elijah Davis
>tfw the rebel was almost complete shit from this point onward until the art section Why does Camus just blow at writing hard phil? And this really isn't one of those baitposts where I assume something in a question to piss people off; I'm being sincere. His novels are at least good, and the actual philosophy he presents is worth considering, but he just sucks at putting it on the page in explicit form. Am I just interpreting his beliefs charitably? Are they just too "absurdly contradictory :DD" to be put on the page properly in the first place?
Bentley Morris
Having only read Myth of Sisyphus, The Plague, and The Stranger, he seems to me like an intentionally edgy Stirner. Instead of "Do what thou wilt," his general advice was, "Do what thou wilt, provided moral people cut themselves on your edge."
Nathan Turner
>syphilistic mental case! >virgin!
Pick one NIGGA
Ayden Gray
He was probably a chronic schizophrenic, and a virgin. Here there is no contradiction.
William Richardson
got syphilis from his whore mommy kissing him on the lips for finishing all his tendies like a good boy
Jose Evans
He rejected the term philosopher applied to him. He was "just" a writer who had ideas to share. It's kind of a cop out but it makes sense in any discussion about his essays. If you expect hard-phil from Camus, you'll be disappointed. If you expect a set of ideas put forward from a writer who doesn't try to be a "true" philosopher, he's pretty good.
And tbf his absurdism isn't that hard to write about. You don't have to look hard to find good essays about it. What I haven't found yet is one that summarizes his entire set instead of singling out a question or two.
Elijah Murphy
>still attempting to personalize critiques instead of advancing knowledge past necessarily incomplete philosophy the mark of a true pseud
Kevin Perry
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Joseph Green
They can't both be right, though. It feels like you have to either choose Nietzsche or choose Christ.
Noah Davis
"If anyone doubted that the Christian world of today has reached a frightful state of torpor and brutalization (not forgetting the recent crimes committed in the Boers and in China, which were defended by the clergy and acclaimed as heroic feats by all the world powers), the extraordinary success of Nietzche's works is enough to provide irrefutable proof of this. Some disjointed writings, striving after effect in a most sordid manner, appear, written by a daring, but limited and abnormal German, suffering from power mania. Neither in talent nor in their basic argument do these writings justify public attention. In the days of Kant, Leibniz or Hume, or even fifty years ago, such writings would not only have received no attention, but they would not even have appeared. But today all the so-called educated people are praising the ravings of Mr N, arguing about him, elucidating him, and countless copies of his works are printed in all languages."
Nietzsche has already been utterly bootyblasted by superior tolstoy-chan.
Isaiah Watson
>neither in talent nor in their basic argument >neither in talent tolstoy was reading bad translations or was a moron. i agree with Nietzsche on almost nothing, but his prose is incredible
Ayden Fisher
Am I the only one that just can't seem to connect deeply with any other philosopher? Nietzsche seems like he gazed straight through all of the bullshit, but every other philosopher I've read after him strikes me as rather cold. I'd like to connect with some other philosophers, but I can seem to find one with the same thunder as Nietzsche.
Levi Kelly
he was a hypocrite. what more is there to say?
Anthony Butler
Ya dude, his prose are fucking amazing! And hes hilarious. When I read his books I genuinely feel like hes talking to me and teaching. As far as I can tell, no other philosophers are this good of writers, or as witty in an antagonistically matter-of-fact manner. I like Hume, w. James, and yung, but it isnt the same. Nietzsche is the GOAT. Doesteyevsky is just behind him in second.
Jose Mitchell
>disagree with him >"please do!" It looks like you finally understand Nietzsche. Entirely wrong. >its immature so its bad
Luis Gomez
Bad ideas. Stop deluding yourself.
Henry Ward
The ubermensch died today guys
Hudson Price
>Entirely wrong.
But no serious Christian can take Nietzsche seriously, at least not all of him. You can't believe in the Resurrection and also take Ecce Homo as gospel.
Austin Rogers
And Camus banged his head even harder against the front window
Nicholas Rogers
But that's still wrong. Stop being so disgustingly literal. Jesus was the immature Übermensch. Christianity as we know it has been all wrong, but it can be made right again before our lifetime ends and Christ returns.
Easton Peterson
Absolutely. I did feel a decent connection with Plato as well. His dialogues really provoke me to think about the different sides of arguments more clearly. I like to imagine what I would say to Socrates had I been in those situations
Samuel Allen
While Camus walked up to the front door and sucked on the door knob while fingering his asshole
Jaxon Cox
>Christ was an immature übermensch I really can't see how you get this out of his work, he has nothing but disdain for Christ, if anything Nietzsche was more of a "Buddhist" than anything close to a Christian
Brayden Anderson
Nietzsche goes off on the Buddhists. WTF, educate yourself
Andrew Gutierrez
Nicee man, daydreams are great. Cheers user
Ian Reyes
are you implying stirner wasn't intentionally edgy
Brody Ward
>Stop being so disgustingly literal.
Are Christians not meant to take the Resurrection literally?
Asher Murphy
goes off a bit harder on the Christians desu
Samuel Johnson
Why must we imagine Sisyphus at all?
Joshua Walker
True, but that doesnt mean he liked the buddhists
Cooper Jones
He is by far the most forgiving of Buddhists compared to any other faith besides maybe Hindus whom he barely mentions. He had a great admiration for the Buddha and called himself the "Western Buddha" But his understanding of Buddhism was lacking and mostly came through Schopenhauer, but even he recognized the strong similarities between his own philosophy and that of the Buddha.
Personally, considering my own knowledge of Buddhism is likely greater than his own considering the time he lived in, I don't see their goals are being very different at all. You can justify nearly everything Nietzsche says along Buddhist lines without the need for moral wankery
Christopher Perez
Doesn't mean he hated them, he goes off on absolutely everyone even people he agrees with. And he did like Buddhists considering the praise he does give them (unique because he doesn't give any to other faiths) His only quandary with it is the inaccurate idea that Buddhists are ultra-nihilists who basically make peace with nihilism
Noah Brooks
The buddhas says detach from this world and believes in reincarnation
You cant be this dellusional...
Cooper Bennett
PSEUDS DETECTED
Isaac Roberts
There isn't so much a difference between their world views reguardless Buddhism doesn't care about morals or see the world as evil (or romantically pure)
Nicholas Price
Their highest virtue is compassion, something Nietzsche considers fairly unimportant. Strength and courage have done more for..etc. than compassion. Famous quote
Dylan Cook
Buddha has morals. Nietzsche doesnt. Both address Nihilism. Not seeing much more overlap
Parker Thompson
I didn't say that. Nonsense.
Colton Mitchell
Kierkegaard is as intense and artistic also, read Either/Or.
Jaxson Foster
nice quote, where's it from
James Jackson
Awkward translation, Buddhist compassion is not exactly the same as the Christian concept of it. Read the Diamonds and Heart Sutras >Buddhism has morals No, and even Nietzsche acknowledged their detachment from moral bickering
Jose Thomas
Camus? More like Campoo. He was a faggot frog.
Carson Reyes
Aren't clouds actually fractal patterns though?
Bentley Kelly
>there is only one truth You're misunderstanding both of them.
Benjamin Cox
Nietzsche denied the world but not himself. Cioran overcomed him by denying the world and himself.
Carter Sanchez
>If you expect a set of ideas put forward from a writer who doesn't try to be a "true" philosopher, he's pretty good. But he published what would very clearly be called hard phil. I get that I can lower the bar and just say he's a writer with ideas to share, but The Rebel in particular looked like it was just a refined notebook. It demanded lots of prior reading for very few new ideas. The whole book felt like Camus just got too high on his own Sisyphus and tryued to find the patterns he highlighted in his previous work elsewhere.
And it isn't just like "oh yeah, Camus just isn't a philosopher"; in The Rebel he almost comes off as philosophically illiterate. In the opening pages of the book I think, he puts forward the idea that rejecting suicide and rejecting murder go hand in hand, then starts talking about how the absurd is a contradiction and asking the audience what they can deduce from that. Yeah, what they can deduce from a contradiction. He thinks it sounds clever, but it just sounds retarded and ultimately it made me hesitant to really trust any of his interpretations of the other authors he included in the book.
I don't think that was the point of characters like Meursault was to set an example, at least not in the opening three-quarters of the book.
Sebastian Williams
heh heh le redpilled fedora neckbeard
Noah Green
If you read his notebooks that's pretty much what you'll find.
I might be biased because I'm into the Camus-"aesthetic" and didn't expect much else, but despite his shortcomings as a philosopher I enjoy his works. As you said, if you gotta lower the bar.
Your criticism is valid though and I mostly agree with it.
Adrian Mitchell
clicked on this thread to say this. kierkegaard and nietzsche are the top two philosophers for cutting through modern bullshit, but i ultimately think kierkegaard has a more substantial, upbuilding vision than does nietzsche.
also, instead of having a mental breakdown over a whipped horse, kierkegaard cucked his fiancee with christ.
Christopher Perez
We must look for meaning though, regardless if that's how it is. We can't do otherwise.
Christian Bennett
Nietzsche didn't deny anything
Luke Cooper
>His novels are at least good Rethink this
Dylan Bell
Nietzsche is like that kid who always plays F tier characters in smash and when you win says "well its not like it matters" and that one time of 10 that he wins he'll never shut up about how bad you are and how you should kill yourself
Leo Williams
Read Gorgias
Connor Cox
Dude nothing is real LMAO
Jose Howard
Good riddance
Ayden Rogers
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Nathan Carter
What bok is this from? Hes not saying hes a buddhist--so you know. He just agrees with that one sentiment, at least from this excerpt
Jose Gray
This is Cioran isn't it?
Brody Wright
>Kierkegaard cucked his fiancee with Christ kek, good one
Mason Ramirez
if you think that's bad, try refuting hegel
Easton Peterson
It's from Ecce Homo. Also thanks for the factoid but I'm not the user in the discussion.
Hunter Richardson
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Austin Morris
>implying Nietzsche's philosophy of difference isn't itself a refutation of the dialectic
Easton Russell
Delet this
Landon Scott
this guy BTFO even if you agree with him
>"you're a faggot because you were incapable of imposing your own will upon the world and simply followed mine by accepting my philosophy!"
Blake Watson
Both Scheler and Girard smashed Nietzsche. You guys are falling for the meme.
Nathaniel Gray
Yes.
Kevin Ramirez
wrong try again spinozist
Samuel Torres
He has a point. There are a lot of neet-cha fanboys who hang on his every word as the ultimate authority on everything (even though neet-cha really didn't know much about anything at all). Very slavish and restrictive.
Christopher Rivera
wew, whoever wrote that thing BTFO
Jacob Ward
>refutation of the dialectic I don't think your really thought that statement through. The idea of viewing the historical process as competing wills to power, a struggle between order and chaos, is just another stage of the self-realization of the absolute, a way of looking at the speculative method from the outside, putting the Hegelian clean, rationalistic viewpoint of the historical process into perspective against the unreasonable elements we find in it, grounding it in that aspect of our experience of being.