Why are you a Traditionalist?

Good post
Retard

This but unironically

>progress is inherently good

T. Brainlet

>anything can be conserved

t. brainlettinho

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t. geniuses

>technological and economic progress

>he fell for muh new economy meme

the golden age of capitalism was over by Reagan's time. Deindustrialisation has resulted in atomised post-ford hell. Former people hooked up to handheld skinner boxes, wrecked by neuroses, no job security, mounting debts, no future. Everyone is miserable. You start to envy the olds in flyover country with their slot machines and their fetanyl, at least that seems more cathartic than the endless postponements of post-ford kafka redux. Your work and social media environments are mechanisms of control, meant to keep you in line. The new economy massproduces first world governance and pseudopolitical subjects. True 'meritocracy' means totalitarian rule by experts, children raised by genderneutral specialists from birth and taught to code from preschool, their every developmental metric monetised by social investors.

T. Ching Chong Bing Bong

Someone's mom got drunk and forgot to feed her schizo son his meds.

>Everyone is miserable.
Is this what losers need to tell themselves? lmao

Traditionalism is built upon shit metaphysics though.

>tfw someone shittalks schizophrenia

>We got a call from La Borde saying that a guy had set fire to the chateau chapel and run off into the woods. Gilles blanched, I froze, and Felix called for help to find this guy. At that point, Gilles said to me, ‘how can you stand those schizos’?”

that's the shitty Platonist Advaita's fault. easy enough to fix

Sacred science would like to have a word with you.

But "economic progress" is far from incompatible with such ideas, look into some lefty Traditionalists like Henri Hartung.

What did he mean by this?

>Progress

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

he means he's a muh Guenon style pedo mooslim, that's what.

I'm only a traditionalist when it comes to art and gender stuff and abortion.

I am not.

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Because I realised that we don't know shit but yet we are truly arrogant, convinced of our superiority and always shitting on our ancestors.
And then I saw a bigger picture and understood that nature has unchangeable laws that you can observe and that get you closer to an objective truth.

>redditvola

Because Life is unfair and the false religion of Equality has been shoved down my throat since i was a kid

No more.

Does half of Veeky Forums get a psychotic reaction every time they hear trigger words like traditionalism, conservatism, Peterson, Jung, Evola..?

cute post
you can fuck me if you're west coast

Fewer than 30 replies in 14 hours seems like a big reaction to you?

one reply is not equal to another.

It will collapse soon, Brother. This manufactured and inverted Aristocracy of mud people and women will consume itself from within.

The remark was about the quality of the posts, not one bit above
>Xoxoxoxoxox

>half of Veeky Forums
>not about quantity
k.

Should I read this guy? I check the first few pages of a pdf. this better not be some self-help get rich scam

because im a jaded virgin who resents everything that doesn't square with the fascist metanarrative that ive come to believe in through reading blog posts on reddit

I'm not. Traditionalism is silly. It's always just a special form of modernity that organizes itself around cherry-picked ideas of history. Not that it would be any better if it was legitimately based on tradition, of course.
Fuck tradition. Give me reason, logic, evidence, philosophy, science.

>No more.
whatcha gonna do about it, you fat /pol/edditor

Fascists, ~~Traditionalists~~ and esoteric totalitarians/aristocrats are all dilettantes who are only into their ideology for the aesthetics.

Whatever i want soy-kun

What's the point of having a lot of sex if you can't form a meaningful relationship, get married, have children?

You might as well stay home and masturbate to anime. You'll ultimately end up dying alone and unfulfilled just like those bitter virgins.

report non-literature threads
sys.Veeky Forums.org/lit/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=10293163

do you not know what traditionalism is? Traditionalism doesn't mean "oh boy I wish it was the 50s again; I just love white protestant America."

We are discussing an author. It's no different than someone posting a picture of Joyce and saying "why do you like him?".

>teehee! if I pretend like I don't understand this thread is offtopic then nobody can say it is! i'm such a cheeky boi! teeheehee!

I understand your concern. But you must admit this is the most capable Veeky Forums is of actually discussing literature. Aside from phil threads we are swarmed with nonsense like
>mfw i like pop culture, books for this feel?
>mfw i'm depressed and roam london with no gf, books for this feel?
So I gladly accept any thread that will discuss philosophy instead of the /r9k/ idiocy. This is as good as it gets, user. Veeky Forums is not too lit. So don't try and tear it down from the peak, chip away at the wort of Veeky Forums, report the pop culture threads and when they are gone, then worry about the phil threads.

errr, that is what progress means. i think you mean change isnt inherently good.

Chuckled quietly

>whats the point of pleasure if you're not having my specific form of pleasure

>Deindustrialisation
the west is far from deindustrialisation, i mean i know what you mean but this system relies on overproduction and the only way to do it is through the industry. rich nations are only sending their industries to cheaper lands but in no way there is a deindustrialisation
Modern society = industrialisation

While what is happening is true it isn't because of change that it happened it is because of stagnation; mainly by the working and middle class in the West letting themselves get fucked in the ass by the rich.

>le capitalist/communism truly know what people want because are based on materialism

I'm not.
I like traditions. I really do. I appreciate them, and I like them. But as far as I'm concerned? Traditions means doing weird demon dances on certain days.
If you use them as an excuse to try and prevent progress? Dumb. Don't do it.

>This is as good as it gets, user. Veeky Forums is not too lit.

This is true. Veeky Forums reads less than /co/ and /co/ barely fucking reads.

>progress
cool buzzword

Yes, actually. Which word should I have used?

define progress then name some that have been hindered by tradition.

Progress = change for the "good".
And I never meant that tradition was an actual obstacle, but tradition is brought up an awful lot as an argument against change in general. Sometimes it doesn't even make sense. Tradition against same sex marriage, or student loan reforms or what have you.
"tradition" is a buzzword too.

I'm not, I just live more traditional values because when I don't my life turns to shit

Capitalism (and by extension liberal democracy) has yet to offer up a suitable motivation for life outside of better apartments and bigger TVs. With the withering away of traditional superstructures of meaning (the much maligned "grand narratives" of religion) man is simply cast adrift. His best efforts are always channeled towards hollow ends.
The great efforts of the 20th century to ameliorate this condition were epic disasters and now modern man has lost even his Promethean enthusiasms, and entered into a long period of spiritual suicide.

wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world?

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What can be done, user?

perennial philosophy
read frithjof schuon

I fear what is too often preached is a retreat from the world, into erudition or mysticism. Nietzsche and Evola both advocated for a kind of supercilious individualism, which in its was just a reaction to the more radical commercial/nomadic individualism springing from the classic enlightenment ideal.
But one cannot conquer the world by renouncing it.

Because civilization can't be given for granted and without civilization we are just cave men.

t. based atheist poster

Underrated

Because old buildings are prettier desu

this but unironically
(that which I just said being unironic itself)

>civilization

>It's always just a special form of modernity that organizes itself around cherry-picked ideas of history
That's because it seeks to preserve what's best in history, you tard.

Because I got bored of anime and inceldom.

I don't know what it means to be a traditionalist.

>What can be done, user?

Nothing. Society will crumble and we will be forced to adapt. We will graduate from the 3rd density to the 4th. Then, the messianic age.

t. brainlet

Civilization is a social construct and tradisionalism is a meme. Progressivism is the only way fordward.

Yes, because I don't want to play vidya all my life, and suddenly turn 40 and wonder what the fuck happened to my life. Entertainment is the true opiate of the masses.

Define "good".
Utilitarian idea, it's just pleasure for the individual? A more deontological perspective; The natural Rights of people are more enforced and respected for more people? What is this specific set of rights that you're referring to?
What is "good"? Until you can say that there is no such thing as "progress" in the way you define it.

Because I'm a racist misogynist NEET who dream of a time were I would be respected and powerful.

Why aren't you?

>Civilization is a social construct
And...? Why would that mean it should be discarded?

ITT: People who think traditionalist is a synonym of conservative

I'm not a traditionalist in the pure sense, but I believe our culture is straying away in a very bad way and we must look to the past ideals to find our way again. Mainly I am angered by the sheer lack of aesthetics in post-modern culture, as well as the lack of intelligence and education. It's cliche as all hell but we really all are turning into cattle, we get sucked dry get forced into shittier and shittier conditions, and the elites get away with everything scotch free.

because i honestly believe that traditionalism is right and modernity is evil
modern life is shallow and pointless, my whole life I've sought a light in this seemingly endless tunnel of modernity and finding the wisdom of the old ways has given me a direction to follow in life (at least intelectually)

you wouldn't be respeced or powerful at all in such a world believe me
traditionalism is veneration of femininity if anything and doesn't recognize categories like race or nation (they are inherently modernist)
not to mention the position of NEETdom

>he can't handle right-wing viewpoints without resorting to muh /pol/ boogeyman
>he thinks this board is exclusively for leftists

because pic related.
tradition is where our timeless truths are robed in variant colors, where life has meaning, and human nature is potentially able to flourish and express itself well.

>Define "good".
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/good
are you just going to get more and more pedantic until I give up?

>>who are only into their ideology for the aesthetics.
>implying that's not the patrician choice

it is obviously the form that allows one to realize all the other forms, you retard

The vast majority of traditionalists are the type of people who wouldn't last two minutes in a """"traditional"""" society but don't have to face that fact and live in a grass-is-greener delusion about themselves and the past.

Horrendous incel NEETS who both hate chads and numales for taking all their women believe that society 100 years ago would somehow have been more conducive to their particular brand of autism wooing the ladies when in fact they would have been just as unloved (by everyone not just women) at almost every point in history as they are now.

>traditionalism is veneration of femininity if anything
But it also demands proper conduct from them.

Nothing wrong with technological progress, and there is no economic progress.
What is bad is social "progress".

>Horrendous incel NEETS who both hate chads and numales for taking all their women believe that society 100 years ago would somehow have been more conducive to their particular brand of autism wooing the ladies when in fact they would have been just as unloved (by everyone not just women) at almost every point in history as they are now.
hey now! being the village fool was a respectable position!

This. Basically we should be chimpanzees armed with nuclear weapons, the world would be a better place.

the funny thing is that the same people angry about what amounts basically to "natural eugenics" will support artificial eugenics the next post. just decide if you like it or not once and for all

I like traditional intellectuals for their aestheticist perception of the world. Evola is one of them but my favourite is Mishima-senpai