/SFfG/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

Thanksgiving Edition.
>What are you reading?
>List some books with turkeys
>List some books with food porn

FANTASY
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SCIENCE FICTION
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries (incomplete, mostly pre-Millenium):
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Which fantasy you voting for?

>half the books are flashbacks
WHAT WAS HE THINKING
These books would be so much better without these never-ending boring pieces of crap

And which SF?

Currently reading A Scanner Darkly. I've got about 100 pages left.

I'm hoping to pick up a copy of Flow my Tears, the Policeman Said sometime soon. What's the best PKD short story collection?

which books sir?

stormlight archives, duh

I Read Myth
I am Reading Oath
I will read Stone sky
Wouldn't vote for either of them.

>that scene when elayne declares to rand
my heart gone dokidoki
there are any others anime-book of fantasy?

Brian McClellan was taught the art of ANIME by Sanderson himself. He's still a little rough, but hopefully he'll get there some day.

Sanderson filled this book with memes.
>skeptical kid thinking shallan wants his boipucci
>sweaty kaladin saying "trust me i am not an impostor"

Oh boy, What a nice book!
This story gave me a lot of feelings and I recommend you this post-apocalyptic book.
If you like introspective sci-fi, well, "Earth Abides" is for you.
I've liked very much the slow process of deindustrialization of the little society and returning to nature.
And I was very impressed by the inner growth of the main character.

After all the story in this book is simple, but full of emotions.
For me, the it is definitely better than "The Road" by McCarthy.

any fiction or Sci-fi book related to the Greek and Roman Empire?
I want to learn latin and I need to get in the mood reading some fiction.
Any recommendation will be thanked

What did you like about Oathbringer?

Borne or Thrawn desu

It was a fun and engaging book that did a good job keeping tings relatively tight while massively expanding the scope of the story.
Also lots of cute girls

Have you read Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank? Might be right up your alley.

Babylon's ashes.

Thank you, user!

Szeth and nightblood.
lift not being as annoying
Shadesmar adventure, wish it had gone on a bit longer
human sized delicious brown girl syl.
that entire last battle scene was pretty nice.

No Scifi, but go for Soldier of the Mist

>reading star wars fanfic garbage

Neck yourself

Can't think of any sci-fi like that off the top of my head but if you want some fantasy:

Lion of Macedon by David Gemmell (Greek)
The Misplaced Legion by Harry Turtledove (Roman)
Furies of Calderon by Jim Butcher (Roman)

Would you tho?
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>List some books with food porn

Redwall. It's one of the two reasons why I love that series.

Is Perrin going to continue being Faile's bitch? I honestly feel like skiping his chapters. He's even moodier than Rand who has a good reason for it unlike wolf boy l. Oh.and Mat's okay except he's always with the Aes Sedai whom I can do without.

WoT is trash, no idea why it gets any praise aside from the fact that it's long.

>Is Perrin going to continue being Faile's bitch?

Yep, for the rest of the series.

Non, I've only read Norse Mythology so I don't think it's fair for me to vote. Any of the others good?

In a way, yes.
In the final three books he becomes a lot more self assured.

Mat becomes a fucking comedy god by the end of the books.

Keep reading, the final three books make up for a lot of the boring politics.

And if you're at the aes sedai camping infront of the white tower, just skip like 75% of that book.

i liked dalinar's arc

ty for your comments

i voted for red sister but it's been knocked out. Changed to oathbringer.

Robert Harris' Cicero trilogy but set in the last years of the republic. Robert Graves' I Claudius other obvious shit.

Steven Pressfield Gates of Fire, Mary Renault's Alexander trilogy.

Can't really think of any overtly classical/ancient world themed sci-fi fantasy, bit of a dearth. Red Rising or Ilium at a push.

cool phishing link.

halfway through shadow rising and boy i am loving it, it's always nice to see egwene thinking she is a badass just to be shut uped by rand

I think I will make some anti-WoT marcos.
Suggestions everyone.

How far along are you guys?

fuck you kill yerself nerd lol
have you no life
>1 years 70 books
lolololol
go get a pussy your sissy

56, but some of them were pretty short poetry books

Give Egwene a chance man.
She doesn't deserve it, but you'll enjoy the books more that way.

>tfw /co/

>i don't even read

Honestly not doing that. Why would I spend 3 years writing a book just to phish for email addresses? For what reason?

If you are concerned you could try signing out of google. It might help bypass any phishing aspect of the site.

I read Red Shadows (1928), the first of the Solomon Kane short stories written by Robert E Howard, who is better known for Conan. Solomon Kane is a gaunt, gloomy, rapier and pistol wielding 16th Puritan wanderer, a religious fanatic who believes he is God's appointed instrument of vengeance against evil men.

In 'Red Shadows' Kane encounters a dying young woman, and swears to avenge her killer, the leader of a brigand gang. The story follows a solo manhunt from the caves of France to an African jungle and has a high body count and some memorably grisly tribal spectacles. On this evidence Kane is a gloomier and more conflicted character than Conan, but there is much for Conan readers to enjoy in the action and exotic scenery. Solid pulp fare, 3/5 dinosaurs.

Minority Report: Volume Four Of The Collected Stories

so why was Oathbringer so fucking bad?

I thought that was a plasma pistol, got my damn hopes up.

Just picked up Excession at random from a charity shop - could I start with Banks here, or is there stuff I'd need to know from previous books? Got the impression the Culture series was sort of loosely connected, if at all.

You can start anywhere. IIRC the only ones that have recurring characters or plot continuation are Consider Phlebas -> Look to Windward and Use of Weapons -> Surface Detail and even in those it's not central to anything. Excession could be a bit dense without prior knowledge about Culture, though.

Robert Howard wrote across a lot of genres: mystery, horror, westerns, boxing stories, whatever market would pay. I think If he lived through the 1940s, when he would still be in his late 30s/early 40s, he would have tried space opera/sci-fi - probably something like John Carter.

I think WoT really improved after book 3, Shadow Rising to the end of Lord of Chaos is the best part of the series.

i am a bit of mad
just finished reading the part where mat and rand go to rhuiedain(?) and it just slips to perrin, and i know after perrin it will go to egwene and then to nynaeve and elayne, i will only read about rand and mat at the end of the book.

What fantasy book has good romance? I want the feels.

The Steel Remains by Richard Morgan

How he constantly used literally to make me remember I was reading something by the same author who used "awesomeness" in his fantasy magnum opus

The Lions of Al-Rassan

kek

I'm about 20% through. A lot of leftist propaganda so far. Don't know if I can finish it.

I LOVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEE WOT
would i like oath bringer?

Did you like the scenes in the last couple of WoT books where Mat acted ridiculously out of character for poorly written jokes that did not make sense in universe? If yes, you'll love Sanderson's other works.

Sanderson is to fantasy literature what Whedon is to capeshit.

is it this bad?

Holy shit is this analogy true.

theguardian.com/books/2017/nov/23/science-fiction-triggers-poorer-reading-study-finds

>Their study, detailed in the paper The Genre Effect, saw the academics work with around 150 participants who were given a text of 1,000 words to read. In each version of the text, a character enters a public eating area and interacts with the people there, after his negative opinion of the community has been made public. In the “literary” version of the text, the character enters a diner after his letter to the editor has been published in the town newspaper. In the science fiction version, he enters a galley in a space station inhabited by aliens and androids as well as humans.

>After they read the text, participants were asked how much they agreed with statements such as “I felt like I could put myself in the shoes of the character in the story”, and how much effort they spent trying to work out what characters were feeling.

>Gavaler and Johnson write that the texts are identical apart from “setting-creating” words such as “door” and “airlock”: they say this should have meant that readers were equally good at inferring the feelings of characters, an ability known as theory of mind.

>This was not the case. “Converting the text’s world to science fiction dramatically reduced perceptions of literary quality, despite the fact participants were reading the same story in terms of plot and character relationships,” they write. “In comparison to narrative realism readers, science fiction readers reported lower transportation, experience taking, and empathy. Science fiction readers also reported exerting greater effort to understand the world of the story, but less effort to understand the minds of the characters. Science fiction readers scored lower in comprehension, generally, and in the subcategories of theory of mind, world, and plot.”

>Readers of the science fiction story “appear to have expected an overall simpler story to comprehend, an expectation that overrode the actual qualities of the story itself”, so “the science fiction setting triggered poorer overall reading”.

>The science fiction setting “appears to predispose readers to a less effortful and comprehending mode of reading – or what we might term non-literary reading – regardless of the actual intrinsic difficulty of the text”, they write.

hmm looks like there needs to be more "literary science fiction" about balding old white English professors having affairs with their students and being miserable.

Sanderson didn't improve at all over the years. In fact he's even worse because he thinks it's okay t have characters like Lift in a series

Shadow Rising is 3 separate stories, you can read all the Rand/Mat chapters, all Perrin chapters or all Nynaeve/Elayne chapters independently.
Just switch around as you get bored.

>spren have 4 genders

>Aes Sedai
In most fantasy prejudice against magic is usually portrayed as ignorant but man the people of Randland have good reason to be wary of magic and to stay away from those fucking witches

Androl was worse.

>The Guardian
>“Literary snobs read SF stupidly”

Sanderson turned Mat into a character who only quips even though before he had a lot of nuance.

Lets make a list of all Aes Sedai who aren't completely irredeemable cunts:

>Verin
>Pevara

End of list

>Lift became awesome
This shit is so jarring

Hey /sffg/ how many plot threads is too many?

I've got
>4 main characters with arcs to complete
>4 secondaries who need to be killed off
>6 gods – including a sleeping god, an imprisoned god and a false god replacing the imprisoned one – each of which have their own apocalypses to cause (though 5 of them can have already done it)
>3 important secondary villains with their own shit going on
>a whole host of tertiary villains
>and only four books to deal with all of it.


soldier in the mist is one. butcher's Furies series is another

Fantastic beasts since it's the only one I experienced. Definitely the best episode of Doctor Who I ever saw

Reminder that it was the female branch of Aes Sedai responsible for nearly every bad thing that happened. The men went out and fought and managed to seal the Dark One and became cursed while the females stayed behind because they thought they could play god by building giant amplifiers. In the future these amplifiers broke after using them on one particular curse so in the end the Lewis Therin was proven right. In Rand's time most of the Darkfriends come from the Aes Sedai. They're so arrogant even though they haven't accomplished anything

>In Rand's time most of the Darkfriends come from the Aes Sedai.

Just to elaborate on this: It's mentioned there are about a thousand Aes Sedai. When Egwene is conducting her purge of the white tower, somebody mentions that they found at least 200 black ajah, "so far". That means at LEAST one in every five Aes Sedai is a darkfriend, a rate literally hundreds of times higher than any other faction. Whitecloaks were right the whole time.

I should have dropped it right there.

Black Ajah can channel which makes them worth more than the normal darkfriend

>They're so arrogant even though they haven't accomplished anything
Egwene thought Rand would only be a little stronger her at most. She wasn't even a full Aes Sedai yet she thought she was more special than the Dragon Reborn

b-but edgedancer

because it just completely falls apart structurally - scenes that have no business existing are in the book instead of scenes that are jarringly missing (Shallan admits that Kaladin killed her brother just before they are to fly to that island to open the gate? lul timeskip) which results in the reader feeling like he didn't really read a 1300 page tome

>1300 page tome
That's longer than all of BotNS and yet it feels like nothing happened.

Eshonai's death pissed me off. I expected fucking something significant to happen with her after being a part of the last 2 books, instead i got LOL she drowned off screen, lets follow her sister instead and fucking teft suddenly having a roshar heroin problem and saying about 50 radiant oaths off screen, the fuck?

nah, lets focus on shallan being a super sneaky spy again for several hundred pages.

>teft suddenly having a roshar heroin problem and saying about 50 radiant oaths off screen, the fuck?

obviously you can't develop side characters without giving them POVs that clog the book - GRRM has already proven that it is the the most efficient way to write books

I started reading Book of the New Sun.
I'm enjoying the prose a lot but to be honest I am having a hard time following the plot, let alone understanding the underlying meaning of it.
I realize this question is pleb as fuck but are any of his other works a bit more accessible?

All you need to know is the Culture is a hippie-communist utopia with ultra-high technology, unlimited resources, run by anarchist AIs, with a huge boner for influencing weaker civilizations to be more like themselves.

Basically the federation on roids, but without the military structure or the prime directive.

On average yes. Peace is probably harder though. His Latro/Soldier books are great.

>scifi readers struggle to understand why anyone would write PSY101 experiment in space
>scifi readers don't bother inferring character feelings because the characters are aliens and they haven't been described other than passively enduring this rather than massacring the slope-shouldered apefolk who wrote this
>"scifi readers r dum"
Yeah, that's a valuable social science you have there.

Kys if you even need to ask about that fucking mess.

All I get is "people can't into imagination" out of this.

That's not what it says. It says that the general population is inclined to treat science fiction as insubstantial and as sole entertainment as opposed to something of literary value.

my mind just came up with too much lore on this one, and I can't figure out what to do to break it up while still having some of the key things I want in there.

The way I see it, I can get rid of or push into the background most of the gods and tertiary villains, but there's still so much I want to do that's impossible to fit in

Because people are stupid and if you take them out of a familiar environment they lose focus or interest.

Kill your darlings.

I can kill them in a story, but to erase their very memory is something I cannot

>leftist propaganda
>author doesn't believe in gay marriage

nigger W H A T

Homosexuality is a symptom of capitalism and doesn't exist in the USSR.

Why take such obvious bait muh man?

He's a mormon you dumbass.

There's literally a gay marriage in the book along with a few paragraphs of Sanderson jerking off over why there's nothing wrong with it.

Oh, it hurts to think of what could have been.