Historically, men translated the Odyssey. Here’s what happened when a woman took the job

vox.com/identities/2017/11/20/16651634/odyssey-emily-wilson-translation-first-woman-english

"Emily Wilson, the first woman to translate the Odyssey into English opens with the line: “Tell me about a complicated man.” In its matter-of-fact language, it’s worlds different from Fagles’s “Sing to me of the man, Muse,” or Robert Fitzgerald’s 1961 version, “Sing in me, Muse, and through me tell the story / of that man skilled in all ways of contending.” Wilson chose to use plain, relatively contemporary language in part to “invite readers to respond more actively with the text,” she writes in a translator’s note. “Impressive displays of rhetoric and linguistic force are a good way to seem important and invite a particular kind of admiration, but they tend to silence dissent and discourage deeper modes of engagement.”

> “There’s an idea that Homer has to sound heroic and ancient,” Wilson told me, but that idea comes with a value system attached, one that includes “endorsing this very hierarchical kind of society as if that’s what heroism is.” Telling the story in plainer language allows readers to see Odysseus and his society in another light.

Wew lads

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yes, yes, >complicated man hahahaha >women hahahaha yes, yes, hahahaha, this thread again hahahaha yes, yes

>making a thread about a Vox article
>giving Vox any kind of attention whatsoever
very wew indeed

How do you fuck up greentext so bad

who gives a shit

her translation is actually well worth reading. I've sampled books I, VI and IX and she did a good job. pleasurable to read

>roastie translates odyssey
>turns the endeavour into a political screed
How typical. This is yet more proof that education should be withheld from women.

>teaching girls to read

>direct linking
unv.is/vox.com/identities/2017/11/20/16651634/odyssey-emily-wilson-translation-first-woman-english

How come Asia, India, Russia don't have SJWs? Why is it only the most privileged whites?

>a person translated a book, now let me decorate that with irrelevant Vox ideological talking points
ok then, do you have something to say about the translation or is this just boring shit nobody cares about?

OBSESSED

Well, China and India have been practicing agriculture for much longer than western and northern Europe, so the hunter gatherer genes were bred out of them more thoroughly.
Russia has SJWs actually, it's just that you don't know of them because they're confined to the Russian language internet, mostly (like the French).

Oh yes, my model is that left-wing politics have an evolutionary origin in the hunter-gatherer mindset, while right-wing politics are a recent innovation from when humans began practising agriculture. Agriculture creates surplus food and specialised labour, which allows for the formation of a stratified society, while hunter-gatherer living is more egalitarian, since typically most men can and do have to hunt and most women can and do have to gather to ensure their subsistence.

As a test of the hypothesis, note that Scandinavia is the most left-leaning region in Europe but also the very last region to adopt agricultural living.

(I'm talking asocial issues only, i.e. left = egalitarian, right = hierarchical.)

>getting heated over a clickbait Vox article

i wish every nu-/pol/ fag would stop posting here. you are shit at posting. go back to lurking only.

>not getting it's hyperbole

>Russia has SJWs actually, it's just that you don't know of them because they're confined to the Russian language internet, mostly (like the French).
but they are Veeky Forums and show their titties in russia, it's very different

>tell me about a complicated man
Sounds like the beginning of a romantic novel.

>tfw can't even tell anymore

affluence

>“There’s an idea that Homer has to sound heroic and ancient,
Yes, because that's what Homer is, you cunt.

>that idea comes with a value system attached, one that includes “endorsing this very hierarchical kind of society as if that’s what heroism is.” Telling the story in plainer language allows readers to see Odysseus and his society in another light.

I can only get so mad.

Why do you care?

>Asia
East Asia has a fuckton of SJWs especially in South Korea.

>vox

Because when people like the author try to "redefine heroism" it's the reason why people think they're heroic for shoving a dildo up their ass in public

Fuck you.

What the mother fuck are you talking about?

Post pics of your boipussi and we'll take it from there.

Obviously meant for

Fuck you.

Which reply is meant for whom?

who is responding who now? is this you?

Tell us more about your theory user, how did you come to this conclusion? Has some author discussed this idea before?

Is it you John Wayne? Is it me?

This is one of the most retarded things I have ever read.

>Has some author discussed this idea before?
A notable, more recent book is Cristopher Boehm's "Hierarchy in the Forest: The Evolution of Egalitarian Behaviour".

I will take that as a compliment, given how it's coming from an obvious pseud.

>hunter gatherer genes

M9-1, you're bafflingly stupid, don't understand how genes work and need to shut the fuck up.

nice pet theory, but that doesn't explain why the swedes were huge into eugenics between 1934 and 1975

i prefer the theory that says that swedes are like a more autistic version of germans, and that when they try to follow any social theory they can't do it like reasonable people and improvise along the way, instead they go into autistic overdrive and crank it up to 150%, that also makes them a society highly based on consensus, where everybody follows everybody else and tries not to stand out too much, so as soon as the tide turns right wing when the egalitarian shit fails they will probably go crazy and start murdering people like autistic retards instead of trying more reasonable measures

Eugenics used to be a progressive, left wing idea; it was pushed heavily in Britain by Shaw and the Fabian Society.

And the Democrats founded a certain Klan

America is the worst cancer. You fuck up everything.

> that doesn't explain why the swedes were huge into eugenics between 1934 and 1975
Sure it does. Egalitarian types are also highly conformist, with a homogenisation impulse. The Swedes did not have an eugenics program to increase the hierarchisation of their society, but to minimise it. You seem to be very poorly informed about the actual history of eugenics and the way in which it was practised. Linking it with right-wing politics is an anachronism. Before WW2 the whole political spectrum was pro-eugenics, what differed was the end goal.
Right-eugenics = the creation of a superior form of human; left-eugenics = elimination of disparity in ability between different members of society.
So the left was much more focused on, for example, sterilising retards, while completely ignoring trying to "breed" people for "higher" traits, like for example the Germans did in the National Socialist era.

You're so out of your dept it's not even funny.
Fuck off.

depth*

What a mess. Anyways, to the guy I originally said >Fuck you. to, if you're reading this, fuck you. I really mean it. Man oh man. I come back from my shit day to this shit board and I see a fucking Vox article thread about some harpy's apparently Marxist-inspired translation of the Odyssey. Just fucking kill me.
>gurg problematic hierarchical value systems1
Fucking fuck you, hemorrhoid licking twat. I'm watching the few things I like get raped by these faggots. Rolls out value system as a buzz word. She does this for no reason. She has a value system too obviously. There's no reason, just rhetoric. "Look, I'm fighting something!"
> endorsing this very hierarchical kind of society, as if that's what heroism is.
Aaa
> “Impressive displays of rhetoric and linguistic force are a good way to seem important and invite a particular kind of admiration, but they tend to silence dissent and discourage deeper modes of engagement.”
Translation: I wrote at a 9th grade level because I want as many people as possible to buy my FIRST WOMAN'Stm (she isn't even, by the way) translation, so I made it real fuckin' easy to comprehend, and to cover my tracks I tacked on some vapid shit about how all the evil oppressive men who came before wrote in a manner trying to do the original Greek justice just to "silence dissent" and "discourage deeper modes of engagement." What the fuck am I reading?

That's retarded dude. Denmark didn't have any trace of welfare until the mid-twenties, and that only happened through a complicated political struggle lasting until this very day. How does your theory explain the fact that all Scandinavian countries (except Finland and Iceland) are constitutional monarchies?

>dept

Mate, you're talking as if the only thing that defines a man are his genes, you're a fucking loon, fuck off.

I'll explain to you for him: jgshjghsjjjjkahkmmmhgg fucking liberals.

I can tell you have never read a population genetics textbook in your life. Can you fucking stop posting already, moron?
You're clutching at straws. A social phenomenon like 'Jante's law' is far more relevant to this theory than the fact that Denmark is a constitutional monarchy (which affects the social life and inclinations of the average Dane pretty much not at all.)

I like you. I can feel your rage off the screen. Say more , I enjoy hating this woman very much.

>population genetics textbook

Autism is a terrible disease kids, abortion is always an option

I have no idea what you meant because you're rambling and incoherent. Maybe find something better to do with your life than raging over a clickbait article?

Being a monarchy means that statehood is bound to the nation, which is inherited by the sovergein. In a republic the ideal goes before the concreteness of the nation. It makes quite the difference.

If you want to discuss Jantes law, you have to understand that it is not a tool of egalitarianism, but rather a mechanism of social control

You have no idea how modern European monarchies work do you?

>all these screeching, triggered brainlets upset that someone dares to bring biology into the picture
I had forgotten that Veeky Forums rivals /pol/ in the amount of lunacy espoused by the average poster. I wonder how many pseuds here are flat-earthers.

clickbait

I live in one

>if you don't agree with my hyperadvanced form of autism you're stupid

OK Ignatius, we get it, you found your little niche and now need to show your powerlevel to everyone. Stop.

>You have no idea how modern European monarchies work do you?
Or much of anything, really. He's probably some 'tarded Lacan fanboy.

I hope your house burns down.

He's definitely a tard. Imagine trying to explain the political system of a country through genes. He probably tries to slip his genetics assburgers in conversation IRL too

Rude. You need to get that rage under control tho.

>oh shit, someone is not a dilettante, time to attack him and cut him down to our size
This is very typical egalitarian behaviour. A broader colloquialism is "crab bucket mentality".

You quoted the wrong post. And I did not attempt to explain the political system of any country by appealing to genetics, but its social dynamics (with political orientation downstream fo that).
Maybe you should take some reading comprehension classes? Remedial English or some shit?

This stopped being funny for me 1 post ago. Have a last (You) for the effort.

Good for you. Unfortunately for me you're too stupid and uneducated for our interaction to have ever been amusing.

*dibs bedora XDXD*

It's probably a woman.

Embourgeoisement.

>India
>SJW free

LMAO.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=-KqwPcBub3o

V*x had an article months ago featuring another woman scholar. That time it was about her call to put pictures up next to Greco-Roman statues that show their original colors. I was onboard. Then she went into how the whiteness of those rocks "whitewashed" the Romans. The androgynous man interviewing her asked if she thought the statues had corrupted our beauty standards. Then, out of nowhere, she swerved into another lane and started calling Western Civ a "cultural construct" with the implication that its a meme of some kind.

That made me much angrier than this.

Can you repeat that in non-Bible-thumper please?
rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/281/1791/20141349.short

India also has well over a billion people.

This is probably the anglos angloposting evr.
>Meme darwinism
>Petersonesque left/right categories
>Utilitarianism

Pic related

>brainlet claims standard population genetics and anthropology from a Harvard professor is "meme Darwinism"
>brainlet thinks I am somehow a Petersontard even though I can't stand the man and the legion of /v/irginal /pol/lution his popularity has drenched the internet in (including this board)
>the brainlet is under the impression that Peterson invented a standard sociological category system for social structures
>the brainlet is under the impression that I am an utilitarian when I actually subscribe to virtue ethics, not realising that one can find useful information in a work even when not fully agreeing with it
Thank you for once again proving just how much of a pseud you are, 'tard.
Now can you please stop polluting the board with your imbecility?

Yeah go on, explain how India actually is to a Pajeet . Regardless of that , it applies to all . The "sjw"(bourgeoisie left) infestation recides where it actually matter ,i.e entertainment , academia , "free market" and infotainment .

The worst part of our "sjw" is that it's a culture of globalization , hence is extremely ignorant of their own culture . Now with Facebook at their arms reach , they are going around copy pasting every other liberal left meme they could find from the anglosphere that don't even makes sense in our cultural context .

Are you seriously going to claim that, proportionally, SJWism is as prevalent in India as it is in Europe or North America? Is this out of desperation to appear more western or what? Once again, India has well over a billion people. That you can find some members of a political fringe among some of its urbanites is not surprising.

>Thank you for once again proving just how much of a pseud you are, 'tard'.

I am not even trying to prove or disprove myself otherwise tho , as that's not even the point here , so I wonder why you'd bring that up ? >:-)

It's not like you made an argument to begin with.While being empirically wrong.
>Muh Harvard
>Aaa...Accc... Actually I hate Peterson , also it's not the category exclusive to him.
>Aaaaa...Accc....Actually I subscribe to virtue ethics in my private life, while giving an utilitarian take for which i got called out for.

Now STFU goofy.

>I am not even trying to prove or disprove myself otherwise tho
I never claimed you're doing it intentionally. Stupid people tend to give themselves away whether they intend to or not.

I can tell about Europe or America , my exposure to your contemporary state is not first hand . But here it's pretty much saturated culturally, a part of it is indeed to appear more "western"(American pop corn culture) , they even infiltrated among the deep seated secreterian dispute we had , making it worse . This shit really blew up with the democratization of fast internet here. Same could be said for "right" wing here ,neolibs who pretends to hate muzzies for not being liberal enough .

You're avoiding the question.

Does the majority of the Indian population consist of feminists or people who broadly agree with feminist ideals, like it is the case in much of northern Europe, or is it mostly a thing among urbanites? You're giving conflicting info, in one post claiming it's a "bourgeoisie" thing while now saying it "saturates the culture".
Which is it? Does the average guy in, say, Punjab or Telangala, give a shit about this like the average guy in Minnesota or Vermont does?

My intent isn't to evade rather to try my best to illustrate the condition and context to you , but I can see where you are coming from and I don't blame you.

Getting back to the point, my answer remains the same , it resides where it matters the most . Now do we all "identifies" as feminist, is a redundant question even if we are talking about west. But is the "feminist ideals" prevelent and saturated culturally ?? YES, the state itself has been pushing it for decades now , only to be taken up by the culture industry and making a cash cow out of it , now the thing about India is that our state isn't as all encompassing as the western ones , the state fails to reach certain places indeed,but that doesn't stop the culture industry from reaching it .

In regards to Punjab and telengana , the question u pose is a loded one , both especially Punjab is pretty saturated with what we call sjw here.

Pic related is one such examples of this pervasive nature .

>Impressive displays of rhetoric and linguistic force are a good way to seem important and invite a particular kind of admiration, but they tend to silence dissent...
Wait. So when it is shit it is easier to critizise it? What have we come to?
Inb4 at least it's logically consistent.

>ugh I really need a break from these dating apps
>these women are making me hate women
>as if I need more reasons to hate women
>wonder what Veeky Forums is up t-

This is the only consideration of any importance. I know it is fun to rile up the hornets nets of crypto-pole and the paranoiac leftists who see crypto-pole behind every post but really who gives a shot about some retard journalists liberation narrative. Did she do a good job or not is the only important question if you are a persyn of taste. I am not a person of taste so I leave with this remark: Fuck this SJw new male soy boy Jewish bug man cuckolded white genocide Mexican abortion cultural Marxism! I subscribe to a vaguely older iteration of liberalism!

WOMEN SUCK XD

>Pic related is one such examples of this pervasive nature .
You'll have to hold my hand through that one.
> Now do we all "identifies" as feminist, is a redundant question even if we are talking about west.
This is just not true.
>it resides where it matters the most
Nor is this, but seeing how you believe man is a tabula rasa, I can see why you'd (wrongly) think that.

(I will take your continued evasiveness as a "no, SJWism is nowhere near as prevalent, proportionally, in India as it is in Europe or North America". Of course, this much was obvious when you pointed out that
>[Indian SJWs] are going around copy pasting every other liberal left meme they could find from the anglosphere
)

it's always fun seeing euro-sjws and other third world sjws copy/pasting racial dynamics analysis from the US when it usually makes no sense in their own countries, at least put some effort and develop something that fits your country

>euro-sjws copy/pasting racial dynamics analysis from the US
How? The chief SJW concerns in Europe revolve around Muslims and the feminist cluster of issues, which are "indigenous" problems. The US has imported far more leftist memes from Europe in recent decades than the other way around, excluding the racially focused stuff (for obvious reasons).

I'm a Nazi now. We need to euthanise the mentally challenged.

>Mate, you're talking as if the only thing that defines a man are his genes, you're a fucking loon, fuck off.

love how egalitarian goofs always take any mention of genes to heart

This. 3rd worlder here, cosmopolitan liberals here actually followed Trump vs. Hillary here more than the local elections, and proceeded to apply the same paradigm for our context. That they just copy-paste and regurgitate a template from the US of all places just shows the absolute lack of creativity they have.

I think all Pajeet's trying to say is that the phenomenon of SJWs have diffused to his country through globalization, and while it's not as pervasive proportionally as it is in the West (i.e. it doesn't dominate mass culture), it is there in the places you'd expect to see it in the West, like education, entertainment and other liberal enclaves. This is what he meant by "where it matters".

No, I think he's a blank slate believer who thinks this was a top-down imposition by western states upon their citizenry (which is plainly untrue, although it might be true in India since there it is a foreign importation). That's why he was screeching so hard at the mention of biology/genetics. (Unless that was someone else.)
He denies that anyone can be naturally predisposed to certain ways of thinking about things and that consequently some populations tend towards different kinds of social dynamics.

what a dumb slut

Liberal "Liberty" :)))

Ruining art since it's creation.


But I'll be denounced as a "poltard" because that's apparently the only grasp you lefties on this board have of defensive measure.

The Jews have won.

You r misunderstanding me fundamentally , I don't presuppose a tabula rasa , the whole dichotomy is rather misguided . Rather my concern lies with the cultural logic,it's categories , "ideology" etc . .... A lot of this misunderstanding is you being rather unfamiliar and fixated on certain context.

This. They even threw tantrum over a fairness cream being "racist" , even though fairness or the lack of it is generally a preference based on aesthetic (like height or weight) than genes .

This pajeet gets it , also modi took the full advantage of this pathetic Trump vs Hillary hysteria ,while launching the demonetization lmao.

However you are falling short you aren't going further . It's not just matter of "copy/paste" or lack of creativity, rather of desolation . The SJW are just symptomatic of this I'm.

>If you want to discuss Jantes law, you have to understand that it is not a tool of egalitarianism, but rather a mechanism of social control
Use any loaded Foucauldian term you like, but it doesn't reduce anything from the argument, because we've only had anything of the like in Northwestern Europe. You don't install egalitarian thoughts into Arabs neither by shipping them here nor by taking the neocon route, for they aren't blind to group competition by their--naturally selected--nature.

(((the most privileged whites)))

Indian men are literally raping women in the street and tearing their intestines out. Radical feminism is actually justified there

>Rather my concern lies with the cultural logic,it's categories , "ideology" etc
Meaning? This is just hand-waving. Be specific.

Gr8 b8 m8, also none of this is radical feminism.

>also modi took the full advantage of this pathetic Trump vs Hillary hysteria ,while launching the demonetization lmao.
your average 'guju' doesn't really give a shit about Trump/Hillary. It's only the 'hip' college students or your relative who's on facebook all the time that were actually interested in talking about them or SJWs. But even then, it's just gossip for them.

tell me about it, i live in the most 'urban' part of the city and even then I'm not allowed to go out of my house after 5 in the evening without my father. It's pathetic. Our culture and education is in a terrible state.

>your average 'guju' doesn't really give a shit about Trump/Hillary.

Tru.

Where are you from tho ??

Delhi.