Isn't socialism and the entirety of the Marxist project premised on the false notion that the working class are worth...

Isn't socialism and the entirety of the Marxist project premised on the false notion that the working class are worth saving?

no it's so that we can work on more great collaborative projects like the internet and space travel instead of selling ad space for Pepsi

youre implying that those things exclude each other

you might want to read more about economics senpai

>internet and space travel

Both products of Capitalist state-military complex.

stay in the general

the working class live in such a state of squalor that if there is an exceptional person within it worth saving they would necessarily be much better than any of the shit the bourgeoisie produces, any of the old rich white people writing shit like john updike would attest to that. they are worth saving insofar as the conditions of their existence demands that only the greatest among them are really truly great, because their very livelihood rests on it.

every time private contracts gain traction on a government areospace project the costs skyrocket

patents/IP is artificial scarcity

Neumann and Teller didn't work for Accenture they made a fucking hydrogen bomb

They didn't work for fucking Venezuela either. You keep talking like the choice is between McFlurry corporatism or Soycialism when history has proven a strong nationalistic focused market economy with a dignified military apparatus is by far the most productive and innovation.

No it’s based on the idea that capitalism can’t last forever, no mode of production ever does, and it’s either going to end in mutual destruction, or the underclass revolting and becoming the new ruling class. Marx just wanted to be on the winning side.

>strong nationalistic focused market economy

since the Civil War the US has not and will never will be a free market economy, not even close to one, I encourage you to look up how subsidized most industries are through government contracts and infrastructure

the question is whether or not to do socialism, but how to make our current socialism better, like removing corporate cronyism

Dipshit where did I say anything about a le free market meme. Government spending isn't socialism either you silly cunt.

Anyway yeah I agree, the problem is how we unJew America

tell me more about this "jew"

>Government spending isn't socialism

at the ridiculous scale we do it, and the power the state has in owning the means of arbitration of these systems, yes it is

Why would you want to remove one of the only groups of people left in America who aren't retarded open borders pushing degenerates?

>some people are not worth saving
>some people are worth more than others
This kind of bullcrap is one of the reasons why I stopped loving Nietzsche. He's still the ultimate style master though.

>retarded open borders pushing degenerates

Literally pure Judaism

>patents/IP is artificial scarcity
t. actual retard

imagine if Newton patented calculus, and for a few hundred years only NewtonCorp could use calculus, so people come up with shittier methods and no one's mathematical notation works between organizations

welcome to software IP

Meanwhile, Israel has a literal wall around it. The Jews are the most closed people of anyone. If there's anything they're doing, it's ensuring the future of their own families. The globalist scheme is simply the most efficient way to do that, because everyone ELSE is retarded.

so, in order to destroy the jew, we must move to israel? interesting theory

Boohoo. If you want cheap software just fucking pirate it

but that's not how IP works

try reading a book sometime nigger

I'm not talking about personal use I'm talking about economics

hyperbole but the mechanics remain the same

Personal use is economics

No. However, many people are drawn to Marxism and socialism for this reason.

You're right, but you can accomplish that far better in a capitalist society with school vouchers, welfare, merit-based college aid, good public schools, food stamps, etc.

Jewish-Americans are the only people striving for greatness anymore. They'll be more responsible for our journey to the stars than anyone else. If you want to destroy them, you're part of the problem.

Daily reminder that the project of aristocrats/egoists like Nietzsche and Rand is to talk the masses out of pursuing their own self-interest.

Well yeah, because the world-as-a-whole and humanity is better off with Beethovens and Shakespeares than giving every wannabe writer and burnout a free MFA.

Hell no. If it were up to capitalists, we would have varying intranets instead of a single internet

>the meritocracy meme
It doesn't take talent to be born into wealth. You may become rich simply by manipulating money, making no contributions to society, creating nothing. You may become even richer by being a parasite on society, and that's how they've all done it. Facbeook, ads on pornsites, pop music, slave labour, bitcoin speculation, selling drugs, selling bad food, decreasing quality to increase demand, monopoly, pop fiction, junk tech, oil spills, islands of trash, etc. This is the culture of liberal capitalism, with which the world-as-a-whole is not better off. It's the complete decadence of western civilisation.

I don't love (Western, democratic, liberal-) capitalism either. I'm just saying the masses only cause harm by being given the opportunity and means to pursue their own interests. I don't think the very existence of a leisure class is a bad thing---after all, historically most great art has been funded and commissioned by the aristocratic leisure class---but I agree the kinds of people given power and wealth in our current system are just as bad as the masses, if not worse. I support Nietzsche and detest Rand, and Nietzsche hated capitalism.

Of course. Capitalism has brought massive technological advancement and is currently squandering it by displacing our needs for the sole purpose of continuing the proliferation and circulation of capital.

Israel is like 20% muslim.

But what in the world could be more obviously true than those two statements?
I see that you agree with Rand's criticism of the separation of money from creative work, but I fail to see what any of this has to do with Nietzsche.

/leftybol/ bls leave

>Nietzsche hated capitalism
Nietzsche also did not live to see the developments of the 20th century and so far the 21st's, which contain both good and bad aspects. Like anything, Nietzsche would have pointed out exactly what has been stupendously successful about capitalism, and what its flaws are.

>the problem is how we unJew America

This is the foremost problem. As America goes, so does the west, and our collective struggle involves stopping jewish globalism. The jew wants you to hold animus toward the lower class, toward women, toward blacks, toward faggots, and in many cases such animus is justified, but these are merely illusory divisions created by the jew, to direct attention away from itself. A people united, who share a common heritage and are sure of their identity as a people, would in a justifiable manner expel the jew and create something closer to a utopia than the simpletons among us, who still believe in this egalitarian illusion, could ever realize.

Heck yeah! I fudging love space!

There is no "un-Jewing" the west. It's too far gone.

Also, whatever you think are their opposites - Germans, Aryans, "whites" or whatever - they are just as problematic when kept to themselves. Germans, for example, are extremely loud-mouthed and overbearing drunks most of the time. The volume of your voice being above others does not make you more right than them, or more important. This is crude behavior and anti-intellectual at core. The best thing to achieve is a balance.

reminder despite the starving memes Russia went from being a medieval peasant country, to winning WW2, becoming a nuclear superpower, and starting the space race, all within 40 years thanks to socialism

>"It isn't the capitalist who has power, but the jews!"
Pure ideology. Nazis justify this by believing that the ruling class is on their side, then they wonder why their lives haven't improved once the jews have been subjugated or murdered or expatriated. Oh, damn, it wasn't the jews, it was the mexicans, blacks or gypsies! And so the wheel turns, nazis struggle against their own net of prejudice eternally.

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Your perspective is unproductive.

>Nazis
Stop using this word if you expect to be taken seriously. Also, people are not interchangeable or similar in the way you think they are, and jews are undeniably the biggest problem facing white nations, so if you expect to hold a respectable opinion as man who understands where the problems lie and the future is headed you're going to have to get that basic aspect of reality down.

>Your perspective is unproductive.
Achieving a balance (i.e. race mixing) is very productive. As far as evolution goes, it's in fact the most productive thing. By race mixing you create new races that transcend the limitations of the previous ones, which leads to facing new limitations that you must continue the cycle of transcending past. Everything else is inbreeding which is stagnation.

It just uses the rhetoric in an attempt to legitimize their aspirations for power. Pretty much all men that fancy themselves capable of rising to the top hate commoners regardless of the ideology they push.

Haifa logic. Case in point for the coming expulsion.

Whites are facing an outbreeding depression right now bub, they're one of the least inbred raced on the planet. The ideal eugenic pairing is your second cousin.

No, it's precisely an attempt to do away with systems that create things like a "low class".

The demigods were more beautiful than the gods in Greek mythology.

A significant portion of contemporary successful people are mixed.

Do you realize not only what a fool you are, but the greater fools you're abetting promoting disgusting things like race mixing? You have no clue, do you?

Like who...? Lol. Are you talking about billionaires or tech giants?

Well here's a quick example: Mark Zuckerberg, German/Polish Jew. Married a Chinese girl.

Your one example is a Jew who has a mixed-race child? Lol. There is probably a golden mean of within-group genetic diversity that creates optimal outcomes and America is basically outbred on every level.

The future technocracy is approaching, and it will be dominated by mixed races, just as it is now already. And for good reason: ethnic race is slowly phasing out (it is no longer a reliable method of determining someone's worth), and people are grouping together by ideology and not by race (higher focus on the intellect than before). Eugenics and cybernetics will eventually completely obliterate ethnic and nationalistic dependencies. If you aren't rooting for the technocracy you might as well become obsolete and just check out. You're already useless.

Clearly you don't understand the cryptic nature of your jewish nemeses, and out yourself as a possible jew when you combine legitimate ethnic qualities like "German/Polish" with the spiritually and nationally absent qualities of the semite, the jew, this interloper in desperate need of physical removal.

He's a mixed Jew. Like many people leading American industries and entertainment fields right now.

>Stop using this word if you expect to be taken seriously.
What? You mean the commonly excepted word for Nazis?

Also, nice Hitlerget. Damn shame about him getting blown the fuck out by the commies.

Check out the mongrel idiot who's read too much Nick Land.

Mixed race people are dysfunctional and have a multitude of mental defects. Anyone advocating for productive white nations to become mongrel shitholes is only second in their disillusionment and possible cultural animosity to jews.

>excepted word

This is what happens when non-whites are allowed onto white culture boards.

>Mixed race people are dysfunctional and have a multitude of mental defects.
Is that why they are leading the development of the future technocracy as we speak?

Military complex is explicitly not capitalist in its nature, as it is not based on the ownership of capital and transformation of labour into surplus value on the account of said capital. In general, governmental spending cannot be charactized as capitalism (or socialism, for that matter).

Who are you kidding here? White people have created everything you enjoy. I'm sorry you're a mongrel but you are a genetic glitch and should not be here, maybe reddit.

Yeah, medieval peasant country. Like you know, Thailand or Ireland or whatever.
Bolsheviks and the Internationale were basically XX century ISIS. Same lies, same methods, same results.

>White people have created everything you enjoy
You are delusional as fuck if you think this. Or, you have extremely narrow taste, to the point of not really having any.

Labour has created everything in conjunction with capital. Further personification of the economic conditions of history misstributes the productive engine of history in favor of petty nationalism.

It's just a fact. 97%, you see that? You think genetic mongrels like yourself create things? Why are you on a white literature board right now, bruv. But you don't belong here.

People create things, what are you talking about? Do you understand that when you say "the productive engine of capital" you mean white people? Or do you need a little more time to figure it out?

yes

> Non-academic abstraction
> Facts

Just look at these poos savages with no culture no tech no money. Surely they absolutely must have suffer through artificial famines, genocides and state instituted slave labor to turn into the civilized culturally avantgarde technologically superior and financially rich orcs that they are now.

You're shitting me right now. I'm a pretty serious weeb, dude, so your dumb chart has no effect on me. And a ton of American entertainment has mixed individuals behind it as its chief creative directors. In my case, "white people have created everything you enjoy" is completely fucking wrong. And historically it's inaccurate of civilization itself, too, unless you think the Mesopotamians, Egyptians, Persians and Greeks were all white.

It's funny that ancient Greeks and Romans weren't even white by todays standards and they considered the Germanic type that /pol/ worships uncivilized savages

There's no "abstraction," it's right there in front of you.

You must be black, your logic is incomprehensible. But yes, obviously, those early empires were created by whites. We know this.

>You must be black
I'm not.

>civilizations formed in the Mediterranean / Mesopotamian region
>"white"
That's a stretch. Was Japan created by whites too? Are they just white asians?

>another thread spoiled by /pol/

Jesus, just fuck off to your board. No one buys you your le evil jewish behind everything hurr durr

Okay, I will accept that you are not black if you will, assuming you're white, accept that I know a lot more about ancient cultures and history than you do. The only thing it really concerns is your willingness to accept that white people are the creators of civilization, which may be be difficult. I acknowledge that, but it's ultimately true.

>masses
>self-interest
Send the milk commune my regards

It's actually the CIA, they've been posting this stuff on this website in an attempt to make opposition to the nation of Israel appear to be teenaged behavior for years.

>the false notion that the working class are worth saving?
I must've missed the part where Marx made any moral arguments about socialism

Sorry! About the Japanese, yes. You know about the Ainu? They were called honorary Aryans for a reason.

I tip back to you, gentleman. But there are vital questions that need answering: namely, why mixed race people are problematic when they are dominating technocratic industries today, and if Japanese people were secretly white all along.

His aphorisms outside of his books reek of a savior complex

The CIA posts information opposing Israel on Veeky Forums? Shlomo ... we may not agree on much... but...

worrying

Mixed race people are not dominating anything and I'm not sure where you're even getting that information. Mixed race people have a lot of mental and genetic problems. They are the result of destroyed identities.

>In general, governmental spending cannot be charactized as capitalism (or socialism, for that matter).

Don't be fucking stupid. There is a significant difference between speaking in terms of a societies general given mode of production and specific institutions therein.
The fact is every single person who works for the military or government, no matter how big it is, are free at any moment to leave and work for a private business or set up their own.
Naively describing such a situation as socialist is completely missing the point of what such a true transition entails.

>the Ainu
I'll go ahead and beat you at your own game right now and make the ultimate stretch: hydrogen and helium molecules are responsible for modern civilization.

I am above all else, in between and deep into the depth of my cosmic being, a man whose only wish is to rid my ancestors' territory of the mutant nation destroyer known as the jew, but if there's one thing I know beyond that, it's that the civilization you exist in at this moment is something you will never be able to appreciate, but is something you innately know only white men are capable of creating.

>my shit doesn't stink
>btw everyone who was ever important in history or who ever contributed to the world is white, if you weren't white you were never important
>good at creating also means good at refining or maintaining (even though, according to me, we are doing a terrible job at maintaining our civilization, although I won't admit that's our flaw)
It's honestly very boring talking with you. I'm also inclined to believe you're autistic considering I've noticed your shit in several threads lately, it seems like you're on here 24/7. The whole thing is not unlike some American redneck bible thumper who is dead set in his outdated ways and won't get out of everyone's face about it. Germany lost WWII, you don't have to be white (or even male) to use or innovate modern technology and succeed in society now, fucking get over it.

And yet we don't and it was up to the Capitalists...you are a dumb cunt aren't you?

Your geentext is largely incoherent and I've commented infrequently here over the last couple weeks so I'm not sure if you're even referring to me, but if you are you should try to be more direct if you wish to obtain information or have a legitimate discussion.

Race is what determines ideology and intellect. What are you even talking about?

A "mixed" Jew? You mean just a Jew. You havent brought up any examplse of this so-called mixed race ruling class.

Fuuuuug

The pure judaism in this thread is really activating my almonds.

You're right, what I really meant to say was everything that poster criticized would have suffered the same fate by Nietzsche.

Is it? Because the Jews and the Nazis had more in common than you think. The Zionists are just the other side of the same coin, really.

He's a German/Polish Jew. Said it himself on Facebook. Plus, he's too good looking to be purely Jewish.