Greeks and romans were homosexual in a sense that even vaguely resembles modern gay identity

Trannies literally existed in the ancient world and were a seperate thing.

not really other than acting like a dandy which Agathon does in the Symposium

But then who was bottom?

Slaves, helots and [spoiler]women[/spoiler].

I meant today there is.

That looks like a woman.

What about power-bottoms? Technically they generate most of the power.

>willy in man's bum
>it was totes different guys

topliness is godliness
holes are not holy

Are you saying that most ancients that engaged in homosexual behaviour were bisexual then?

all the best boys do

This is not an assumption, it's a fact. Most of them were married and had family.

So what you're saying is that they had an identity where sexuality and gender weren't intrinsically linked or relevant? As in exactly what modern, (not the american definition) liberal LGB people are trying to teach people?

No it was more complex than that. They had an idea of objective sexuality, but it's not related primarily (or solely) with your gender but with social status, function, and other factors. You couldn't wake up one day and decide you're gay/bi/whatever, but it's also not a strict gender binary.

>LGB movements are perfect crystallizations of greco-roman thought on butt sex, fuck trannies

lel

>What is the kinsey scale

Gender identity piggybacking on to sexuality should be viewed as the sole reason why stigmas and attitudes to sexuality are still treated as fringe; because it is within trannies interests that as many people continue to feel oppressed when in reality gays and others would have an easy time of it otherwise. As a result, LGB start to act more like the mentally ill, and people get ot lump LGB in because of that behaviour. It is deeply worrying that the trend seems to be continuing, and people are now trying to truly merge both ideas together (see the existence of pansexuality, which is jsut bisexuality but with a more SJW theming to it.)

>>What is the kinsey scale
A meme.

>Gender identity piggybacking on to sexuality should be viewed as the sole reason why stigmas and attitudes to sexuality are still treated as fringe; because it is within trannies interests that as many people continue to feel oppressed when in reality gays and others would have an easy time of it otherwise. As a result, LGB start to act more like the mentally ill, and people get ot lump LGB in because of that behaviour. It is deeply worrying that the trend seems to be continuing, and people are now trying to truly merge both ideas together (see the existence of pansexuality, which is jsut bisexuality but with a more SJW theming to it.)

Literally only gay men are a relevant population here. They're the only ones who suffer any kind of oppression in modern society. Lesbians hitching their cart to the movement was a form of feminist pandering that is unfortunately pretty common among liberal gays. Bi's, while sometimes oppressed indirectly (usually by being mistaken for gays), don't essentialize their identity like gays, and transgenders face entirely different issues.

why do homos love feminine men so much?

That's what your dad told you?

I'm not sure, ask /b/

Will gays 'coming out' and stopping breeding as cover or out of social convention have a negative effect on the gay population?

Negative effect as in negative demographic effect? Other way around I'd assume.

Nah.

medicaldaily.com/gay-gene-survived-evolution-it-carried-mothers-who-have-more-children-study-240813

>Researchers led by Andrea Camperio Ciani, from the University of Padova in Italy, say that the findings of the link between homosexuality and female fertility strongly support the "balancing selection hypothesis," which suggests that a gene which causes homosexuality also leads to high fecundity or reproduction among their female relatives.

Interesting.

God's design is indeed flawless

>No but there's fairly distinct and consistent one.

In western pop-media representations of homosexuality, yes. In real life, there really isn't.

Is it true that pederasty was banned in certain city states due to it representing a man that could not control his urges?

Classical refers to ancient Europe.

We were created flawless until we sinned.

Sin is part of providence's plan.

not particularly, only in sitcoms and by heterosexual perceptions in those sitcoms

Well our knowledge of ancient homosexuality is derived in no small part from their equivalent of sitcoms.

well, yeah. but sitcoms don't really try to show reality today as historical sources did