Is there any such thing as a complete, English-language reproduction of the talmud? Google offers ready possibilities but I'd like input on versions etc. Does the talmud have principal "apocrypha/bonus content/undiscovered worlds"? If so, what are they?
A short novel which I kinda liked on the topic was The Chosen: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chosen_(Potok_novel). I also think Penguin has a "talmud sampler" but it doesn't give the page layouts of the blatt, tractates etc I don't imagine.
What is the conventional process whereby rabbis lead observant jews through a study of the talmud? I hear it's a multi-year process, seven years maybe.
It looks like they have electronic editions, though.
Jeremiah Garcia
Damn, Jewish books just have such gravity to them, but I find them incomprehensible. And I'm Jewish. Kant makes more sense. Been working my way through pic related all year, though, so that I have some base.
Cameron Smith
Which volume deals with subversion?
Ian Davis
Midrash is legit. It's like the Jewish apocrypha. Aside from the actual Jewish apocrypha.
Jayden Bailey
nobody would, or could, read it. imagine an infinite leviticus but less interesting
Gabriel Sanders
Please do not confuse the Hebrew bible, or to the Christians "The Old Testament", with the Talmud.
Wyatt Diaz
Steal a scroll from a synagogue!
Cameron Gonzalez
The history of rabbis being autistic strongly suggests otherwise. a legalese, traditional process. Perhaps you are confusing the would-be english translation, as a boredom, with the "authenticity" of the original, which is somehow so much more interesting.
Blake Collins
I know the difference between the Tanakh and the Talmud, I'm just saying I want to finish the source text before I read the commentaries on the commentaries on the commentaries.
James James
Should we start a Veeky Forums daf yomi? Would that be totally absurd?
Joshua Perry
its sort of interesting that somebody would read a zillion words rehashing the same shit over and over again
Cooper Gomez
>tfw think I might be one of the 36 righteous people
Nolan Myers
It's like they actually think that books could teach them something and that it might be important to learn it.
Jason Anderson
It would be absurd in two senses: 1) this place is not the forum for such a long-term project, and 2) I'm no jew but I think it's reasonable to suppose that a rabbi should lead such a discussion. And rabbis are naturally most concerned with the cultural reproduction in their own people; jews.
Explain, please (why not?!)
Dominic Walker
If you claim to be one of the 36 you aren't.
Brody Collins
I hereby proclaim that I am not a righteous person. All anons before my presence may kiss the royal hand.
My first act shall be to have 35 righteous people slaughtered without mercy. My second act shall be to end Judaism and to order that all Jew gold must be turned over to my treasury. My third act shall be to make myself God of this world.
Kneel before me, yids and goys. I am Kira!
Colton Moore
forgot pic
Cooper Reyes
Since reading Gravity's Rainbow, I've delved into Jewish mysticism to better understand what Pynchon was getting at. It's actually fucking terrifying.
The Talmud is a handy little tool for the following: >how-tos on invocation of demons >how-tos on human sacrifice >how-tos on sapping human energy for your own purpose >phases of human evolution have already been laid out: we're reaching the end of another one of those "allocated periods" for civilizations (think the greymarch from the shivering isles) >this info goes back far beyond our understanding >stems from the more esoteric developments of Hermes' followers
leads me to believe the validity of many "conspiracies" Leads me to believe the consensus Manly Hall has about the true age of the great pyramid being ~60,000
Nolan Gutierrez
Recs on where to start?
Michael Baker
norman solomon's selection is on librarygenesis
Zachary Russell
>Is there any such thing as a complete, English-language reproduction of the talmud? Soncino Talmud for the Babylonian Talmud.
The Jerusalem Talmud hasn't been fully translated in English AFAIK but its role in Judaism is very limited, it barely even has a modern Hebrew translation, it was ignored by Talmudic scholars and commentators. It's stuff concerning the Holy Land, for example agricultural laws limted to Isreael, instead of something useable by Jews all over the world, on top of that it's difficult even for the best Talmudic scholars.
Easton Collins
Cringe. Please leave.
William Howard
Goy here I really want to understand why Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah when both Christianity and Islam agree he is. Any book recommendations on this topic?
I just don't see how you can't see the prefigurations of Christ in the OT in Abel, Jonah, Elijah, etc... Like how can you not recognize that this is all pointing towards Jesus?
There's the Sefaria translation by William Davidson which you can read for free online. I've had it recommended by religious jews so it must be good. It's not complete yet. sefaria.org/texts/Talmud/Bavli
There's the old Soncino translation that also free online and is complete. There's also a handy free app. halakhah.com/
I'm a big fan of that Tanach translation, it seems more poetic than most others but is always very accurate when I've checked particular translation issues. Only downside is that it only uses the Masoretic Text as a base, modern Christian translations use more textual sources to find the oldest readings.
Parker Rogers
OK thanks I'm going to get started on this.
Logan Taylor
Could you explain the difference between the Masoretic text and whatever it is that Christians use? I was under the impression that the Masoretic text was the most authoritative. To be fair, I'm also not particularly concerned with how Christians read it.
Aaron Stewart
Masoretic Text is the authoritative text for jews, certainly. But it became settled as a text in the early middle ages, so any variants that crept in before then became stuck. Western Christians use the Masoretic Text as the main text, but also consult the ancient greek translation which preserves some older readings, the ancient latin translation, the ancient Syriac aramaic translation, and importantly the Dead Sea Scrolls which are 70 AD at the latest and so definitely predate the Masoretic Text.
Of course, the jewish view is that the MT was preserved by faithful jews so is more reliable. I'm not religious so I tend to go with critical scholars over religious ones.