Demonize straight white male authors

If you think writers of conservative fiction are struggling because of a conspiracy of editors and not because they don't sell, you don't understand how the marketplace works. Even if there was a conspiracy of editors, some conservative publishing house would start making lots of money and take over.

Arts Council England speaking out of both sides of their mouth on this one. When was the last time they put any effort into promotion or fostering literary fiction?

These people need to shut the fuck up..

“Moralizing soyboy garbage” is what readers want, user.

Your sarcasm might have rung true if we lived under a truly capitalist system. We don't. I don't know how to find the graphic, but almost all the gatekeepers in the American literary community are women. Many are Jewish. Almost all are leftist. These people are inundated with manuscript submissions. Regardless of the literary quality of their work, do you think these people would champion a right-leaning author? Anyone can see that there's a clear pattern to what gets published, what gets publicity, and what wins awards. It's not unlike the old Soviet Union in this regard. Ideology is ideology is ideology.

Start your own publishing house then. There's nothing stopping you.

You're an illiterate spastic lmfao. Slit your wrists

>demonize straight white male authors

how exactly?

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Those gatekeepers are gatekeepers precisely because they pick books that sell. You can take your submission to a smaller, conservative one and they might publish it, but if anyone wanted to read those things, they'd be making money already.

Maybe if it wasn't utter trash? No, that can't be the reason.

It isn't pure enough.

>ideologically conformist
this is the biggest problem. I read anything by an author who has an MFA since I already k ow everything they have to say.

>10404271

I'm too tired to hypothesise a proper theory so I'll just say that UK culture is in a pretty dire state and that our exposure to the arts has taken a massive backseat in recent times. It's not just books; you'd be hard-pressed to find anybody under the age of 23 with a solid and open-minded interest in arts and culture (besides those who just say they do). The best I've found at my uni are theatre people but even then 95% favour musicals over substantial theatrical pieces.

Literally the only people I've met who read or watch movies have been foreign, predominantly Italians. Fuck, I even met two Korean girls who had an interest in fine art. Koreans!

Also I think its more difficult to make a living as a writer of literary fiction because competition is high and audience is low. People probably make more money ghost-writing or doing scripts for youtubers

Nah I think it's just more that they push commercial fiction a lot harder.
Imagine you're a publishing company, and you have either a new sci-fi novel written with easily digested prose or a complex literary fiction novel filled with deep themes and metaphors. Which do you think, supposing you can pick only one and all else being even, will sell more?

wrong lmao
if the market was allowed to service conservatives, there would be a right-wing harvard

christianuniversitiesonline.org/best-christian-colleges/

You can still have moderately conservative writer's and books, no one will argue the right to publish that. But its the nu-conservative shit that is solely made to "trigger libs" that ought to be weeded out because all their arguments hold no water

Both of those things get published. It's only Ann Coulter who sells.

Yes, but to a very small audience (probably buys half herself)

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Maybe, but that still contradicts the utter rubbish in the OP. And guy who's just repeating himself as though that means he hasn't been shown wrong repeatedly.

This is demonstrably wrong, and shows your ignorance of the publishing industry.

Everything comes down to the question of gatekeepers. These aren't just book editors.

Publishing is a massive industry. In the course of transforming into a book, a MS goes through the hands of an agent, publisher, editor, copy editor, publicists, book editors (via publicists), sales representatives, book store owners (via sales reps), and booksellers. Very few of these people are paid well. A majority are women. They often joined publishing for ideological reasons.

Now imagine you've written a book that slants hard conservative. By some stroke of luck, you were able to get a decent agent. The agent, by another stroke of luck, managed to convince an editor that your book is worth taking up one of her imprint's valuable spring slots. Now she has to explain your book to a pack of young, 20-something Manhattan publicists. She has to get them excited about a conservative work by a white male author. By some greater stroke of luck, she does. Magnificent! Now it's their turn to get Manhattan book editors excited enough to review your book, which is one out of literally like 300,000 published that year. "What's this book about," says Pamela Paul of the New York Times. "It's conservative fiction!" say the publicists. "Problematic," says Pamela. Who will she ask to review the book? Maybe someone who can write a funny hatchet job! What's Maureen Dowd up to? But no, Maureen's busy. The book section was cut even shorter. So let's just review Roxane Gay's latest book on gay black fat women who don't need no man. It'll be easy to find someone to review that. So edgy. So transgressive.

"BUT user, I SAID TAKE UR MS TO A CONSERVATIVE PUBLISHING HOUSE"

Okay. What conservative publishing house? Name one. Can't? Okay, let's make one up. It's called Madison House. It's a mid-sized, respectable house that makes most of its money on political bios, travel guides, and cookbooks, but the publisher loves conservative fiction. Thankfully, given that nobody else wants to buy conservative fiction, he can pay next to nothing for it. Maybe $2,000 for a novel, average royalty scheme, at most. Goes through editorial. Gets to publicity. They print maybe 100 galleys to send out to various book editors and bloggers. The publicist is overworked. She'll send a few emails to editors in New York, Washington, asking for coverage. They don't reply. The National Review Online mentions the book in an op-ed. The hometown paper mentions the book in a profile. The book sells poorly. The author spends his $2,000 in a month, no royalties come, he decided to write non-fiction. Because what's the point of going through THAT again?

user, this is the truth of how publishing works. Literature is rarely a profitable source of income. It's always been a matter of ideological commitment. It's increasingly become a way for big houses to project a globalist brand: inclusive, multicultural, empathetic.

You are a brainlet. Literature is something rich fucks spend on so it promotes their big picture goals not to make money off it. Same as media and entertainment. If they make money off it its just gravy but thats not their primary goal.

Look at culture as a whole. People are overwhelmed by potential avenues of consumption. Can you really blame people for taking the easy route to feel better, or understand empathy, or whatever by going to youtube etc?

I'm sorry but many if not most published books are largely works of immense egoism and relatively little talent.

You seem to have forgotten that people don't actually need to go through the gatekeepers to publish. There's all sorts of shit that blows up from amazon with no publicity except word of mouth.
But still nobody's buying your books and you're just looking for someone else to blame.

Yeah Schlomo who magically gets an agent job or a publishing job out of nowhere ia chosen because he knows what sells not because of nepotism. Lmao the absolute state of lit

didn't Milo the retard create a conservative publishing house? now there's that one to send your retarded conservative genreshit

not sure if conservatives are into genreshit though, they probably just read nonfiction and other kinds of sport biographies and the women some kind of depraved love novels

Yeah it's all a big convoluted conspiracy keeping conservative authors from selling their books to the untapped conservative market just aching to read them.

>You seem to have forgotten that people don't actually need to go through the gatekeepers to publish.

Keep backpedaling!

>still nobody's buying your books

Are you implying I'm a writer? Hahaha, no

You're not much of a reader either m8.

so the reason book sales are going down is because no one is publishing conservative genre fiction?

Do you mean like based Dawkins or Peterson

I dont care about conservative vs liberal i am saying that it is a conspiracy as to who gets to decide and many of those people have the same ideological bias.

That ideology just happens to sell better.

To add. The problem is you are associating the term conspiracy with nutcases but people conspire all the time..its a regular thing im not saying some fat fucks in a boardroom fuck babies and decide what gets published (thoufh that too probably happens more than you think)

Who said anything about genre fiction? Do you not understand what conservative literary fiction is? Knut Hamsun, maybe? Or do you think that all literary fiction must be liberal to be truly "literary."

>Thankfully, given that nobody else wants to buy conservative fiction, he can pay next to nothing for it.
That's exactly what he said, retard. It's the free market, and conservative fiction doesn't sell. Also lmao @ "conservative fiction"

inept, frightened pilots at the controls of a vast machine they cannot understand calling in experts to tell them which buttons to push

Whatever you push for the longest time on population through media will sell better...if there were conservative gatekeepers give it some years and thats what would sell. Taste in general population is made not some genuine self generating thing for the most part

> boohohoo why no one wants to publish my shitty fantasy novel
>must be the libruls and the joos not my absolute lack of talent
>But i am such an sheltered and limp wristed faggot that instead of at least trying to self publish i am going to cry and blame everyone but me

Okay, and? People still would be buying fewer books if they were conservatives with smartphones.

Your logic is monstrously flawed. This would be like saying that Soviet literature "just happens to sell better" under a Soviet regime. Of course it sells better! It's what the system promotes. To think that we don't live under an ideological system that promotes literature sympathetic to that system is ridiculous.

This is an extreme example, but it's worth remembering that The Turner Diaries have sold something like 500,000 copies. By your logic, any decent editor would say, Girls, we should publish anti-semetic literature! But they don't. Why not?

We don't live in a free marketplace. Anyone older than 16 should know this by now.

Have you not read the OP? Do you not understand the premise of this thread?

It doesn't sell well because there's no media infrastructure to support it.

Do you honestly think that Roxanne Gay would sell books without scaffolding? Have you read her work?

Exactly. The masses are shaped. The problem is that they eventually begin to find books grounded by ideology stale, as they should. When that happens, there's a panic. The media, which is pushing the ideological narrative, reports this as a "drop in literary interest." But what they should be saying is, "People are tired of reading bland, ideologically correct regurgitations of the standardized shit we pump out season after season."

or conservative authors suck

the undeniable transformation of the literature punlishing industry to cater to the now dominant demographic of single 20 something working women with 90 iq’s is undeniable. lit has always been vacuuous and performative, lacking any substance, but the evolution of the consumer base has created incentives for publishing firms to push out much higher volumes of poor quality works as the general iq has trended downwards, especially as hispanic and female readership populations rise. The anime avi just proves my point, its an entirely bankrupt response that basically tries to veil your inability to honestly express yourself. The cowardice of the right and left can be signified by the reaction image and specifically the anime girl, the false sense of superiority and aloofness encapsulated by a sociopathic cartoon character imbued with adult features the observer themself either can’t convey verbally or feels can substitute for a more human, less one-sided (as the emotion conveyed is singular,
unlike human subjective experience) discourse with the culture and reality heing protested. Its existence is another sign of culture death, false consciousness, widespread cynicism and a metastasizing tumorous anti-culture which can be characterized by: vicious social relations, atomization, widespread psychosis, mistrust, inability to express sincerity and underlying rage at impotency

say that 2 his face

Except "the media" is a bunch of segmented factors all pushing different ideologies. Is it possible that you just don't like that sutff?

It's funny, all you have to do is look and you'll find plenty of good ideological titles, and plenty of titles being published today that aren't at all what's being described in this thread, but you're all too lazy too look to check something THAT WOULDN'T CONFIRM THE IDEOLOGY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

They're still not picking up the books of the ideology the OP suggests, despite them being available via amazon fire.

Too bad you're idea that the publishing industry is all of the sudden publishing crap has actually been true forever, and not connected to your flimsy and vague racism and sexism, even though you need it to be to discount large swaths of humanity from your made up literature game.

Even if the publishing isn't political, it's nepotistically drawn from creative writing MFAs, where the individual's voice is ignored or broken down to build a monolothic writing style characterized by mumblecore plots, atemporality, and mulling over single images that completly lack depth and only exhibit a dishonest pretension. Go read any book of short stories, or any literary magazine. They're all the same.

It was "overanalytic palling around and agnst" when DFW was around, then it was George Saunders and his "dude magical realism lmao", and now it's this weepy and "contemplative" trash that meanders on and on so many women are churning out in gallons.

Dostoyevsky was a Socialist who may have been killed by the Tsar's secret police. Fuck off and read a book about him.

Thank you captain reddit

>being surprised that people ideologically opposed to change in social institutions perform poorly in the creative arts

WHY do you have to make this about women? Men churn out crap too. You have a decent point, until you showed your beta

>there's no media infrastructure to support it.
And what's stopping conservatives from building and running a only-conservative publishing industry and doing some advertising? Easy: the product doesn't sell. Don't pretend society is overwhelmingly liberal, in America at least half of the society is conservative.

>it's impossible for a company to make any decision that's not the absolutely most financially sound one
Look at the comics industry over the past several years for a real-life hyperbolic example of what is described in the OP. Or look at journalism. Do you think rich fucks like Bezos own publications like the Washington Post because some financial analyst told him it was the most sound investment he could make?

Buzzwords you should not reply to in this (or any) thread :

-Consetvative
-Leftist
-Liberal
-Socialist
-Capitalist
-Ideology
-Philosophy

Don't allow a vaguely defined political belief to become a bloodsport. Politics and ideology and philosophy are products made for the consumption of those who dislike considering themselves consumers. With each post your mind is being violated like a virgin anus in a maximum security prison.

I can tell that you've never had the horrifically painful experience of talking to someone who actually worked as an editor at a publishing house.
Most of the people who work in that field are upper class white female Journalism MAs. Very ideological. Terrible in bed.

Mein gott
Pure ideology

>deplatform straight white male authors
You must know nothing about the publishing industry. Despite the fact that liberal magazines like to feature works by women and POC, the industry is still dominated by white authors with a slight male edge as well.

Not saying that this is a good or bad thing, just stating facts

>When *nglos try to do cultural critique
You completely strawmanned his post.

Except there's a huge market for conservative crap and it's all crap.

Examples: Ben Shapiro, James Patterson etc,

>not publishing all your books with with a 16yo black girl pseudonym
never gonna make it

Jews who have taken over all media and own the monetary system.

pretty straight on the money here, have an upvote

We're talking about fiction.

Meant to reply to this:

Well, you sound like a Conservative Leftist Liberal Market-Socialistic Ideo-Philosophical Anarcha-Fascist.

why is everybody on Veeky Forums posting on this worthless thread instead of on the interesting ones? even as a political thread is just boring drivel

The few openly conservative(?) authors from Castalia selling extremely well, often better than their political archnemesis Tor, on a tiny advertising budget.

>pigskin white boi is mad nobody is publishing his misogynistic, racist tome
lmfao
guess what? we own this industry
if you're anything but a progressive, you're out
now fuck off back to /pol/

>It's increasingly become a way for big houses to project a globalist brand: inclusive, multicultural, empathetic.

this. it's like diversity hires in fortune 500 cos. it's the reason why the new yorker fiction section features more women and poc then the rest of the mag. literary fiction never made money and so its easily expendable and you have a whole generation of virtue signalling soyboys and women in the media eager to call it literally the best thing

>they pick books that sel
which is why their industry is collapsing. what fantastic business acumen

^I think you
and you

just proved that conservatives are less intelligent than liberals. There's no conservative ivy league because they are stupid.

Conservative books that aren't picked by them are still for sale. They just... don't sell.

>please don’t look at this meta-discussion of literature as an industry
>please don’t discuss culture or biology on Veeky Forums
>please just trade memes and snide remarks in threads that have been created hundreds of times already
>please don’t make us do intellectual labor outside of the narcissistic acts of reading and writing
>i shouldn’t have to defend what i believe
>people who do this are stupid
>im the smart one
nope we’re gonna talk about this stuff inevitably, you should be more than willing to defend what you believe. this is Veeky Forums related, we sud talk about it DESU SENPAI NIGGER

That is what happened to hollywood. People are sick of being propagandized. Last night I overheard people talking about "forced diversity" in the Star Wars film and "did you notice every bad guy was white?"

He you got BTFO your comeback was to move the goal post and than pull some stupid fucking 'well YOU havn't been published how could you possibly know anything.....I havn't been published either but I know you're wrong!'

again, Milo has created a conservative publishing house, just convince him to sell your genreshit

>Books that don't get published are still for sale

That's the most verbose fuck you I have read in a while; well done.

Is the Bible literary fiction? is it considered conservative? doesn't it still sell like 50m copies a year?

A better question we need to ask ourselves: Why can't liberal progressive books compete?

>Taste and demand never change
Retard
See

They sure do, but the current literary paradigm wasn't generated or driven by men as past ones were.

I'm going to kill myself then I'm gonna kill yourself.

can’t engage at all, speaking in memes from reddit. you sud get off the computer for a week and go for a hike, read something apolitical, have an affair with a nice lady. i think you’re burnt out user

again, you can self-publish for free on amazon, if you need a liberal publisher to hold your hand and put you on their newspapers don't complain when they ask you to follow their ideology

you can self-publish batshit crazy autistic shit like pic related (now available in english) and nobody is going to stop you