Apology

>corrupting the youth
He literally fucked young men?
People who believe in a flawless Socrates are the same kind of people who believe that Hitler was completely evil and that 6 million Jews died in the holocaust. Has the idea ever occurred to you to think independently and critically, or do you just accept all history at face value?

>the mass murdering dictator wasn’t evil
>the holocaust, one of the best documented events of all time, which was witnessed by tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of people, which only neo-nazis deny isn’t real
>Socrates having sex with 16 year olds is a reason to force him to kill himself
>nevermind that he was the most brilliant man to ever live in athens and the founder of western philosophy, the successor to Hermes, Solon and Pythagoras and a living demi-god genius who was blessed by the almighty All, god of those with wisdom
dude stop posting here, you’re not a literate person at all. just fuck off back to /pol/

you have nothing in common with this board’s culture, you believe blatant lies, you’re attacking a genius whose demonstrably smarter than the average person alive today. please die

> being this heavily indoctrinated
My sides, Socrates would hate you for unquestionably accepting a biased narrative of his cock suxking student. Keep being mad

>Socrates would hate me
no he’d hate Fascists just like he hated the Doric traditions
>indoctrinated
You have no idea what beliefs i do or don’t hold; i would never accept a Neo-Nazi C1A conspiracy theory like holohoax revisionism that f3ds on stormfront and /pol/ push. i know exactly where David Irvine, IHR and the paleos got their shit from

and Soc wasn’t indicted for wanting to hook up with men even a little bit, you haven’t read the Apology or the preceding dialogue Euthypro that explains the charges against him at all. You’re an illiterate parrot who didn’t research Whyte supremacy or Nazism impartially before you accepted them. You don’t know anything about the people you believe or how intelligence assets move. Your board is a honeypot, filled with bots, pedophiles, f3ds and non-whytes

>>nevermind that he was the most brilliant man to ever live in athens and the founder of western philosophy,

Pythagoras literally invented the term western philosophy, Plato merely founded Platonic philosophy, get your vocabulary straight.

Santa isn't real
Merry Christmas

>the founder of western philosophy
>he doesn't start with the pre-socratics
enjoy your hidden truth

Virgin detected.

cheeky bugger

Lol so he fucked some boys what's the big deal they were probably begging for it. If your going to cry about something like that reddit might be more your speed.

Crito, true philosophers spend their entire lives preparing for death...

He was corrupting the youth in more ways than one.

The origin of the word 'apology' (originally 'apologie'), is ultimately from the Greek 'Apologia', which means a defence or justification of one's beliefs or actions. This latter definition was the original meaning of the word 'apology' (As in Plato's The Apology of Socrates) but has since morphed into the modern meaning.

Defending homosexual pedophilia seems to be more up reddits alley actually

me on the left

I'm not saying it's good or bad, just saying the accusation isn't exactly out of place

>that's some catch, that Catch-22

idiot
pre-socratics are different animal entirely but i should have included him with them i guess
not really, his sexual proclivities were in line with cultural norms in Athens and Greece as a whole, if you reas the dialogues that wouldn’t even be controversial for you. But, you either haven’t or you skimmed them or you’re a low information retention brainlet, or you’re lying because he attacked Doric faggot hero-worship culture and the Olympian cult
they were all teenage boys, its implied most of them were older teens, 16-19 years of age, the Gauls and Gaels and Spartans fucked men too, so did the Anatolians and Persians (read their lit its blatant), and so did the Ancient Aryans in the Indus Valley. I think his faggotry was repulsive but it had nothing to do with his execution which is the topic of the thread
it is out of place because his sexual habits had nothing to do with his charges at all and no one in athens was upset about him sleeping with 16 year olds who demonstrably had crushes on him (read the dialogues retard)

I'm reading Plato right and now and where does it say he actually fucks boys? I know he piles a lot of erotic praise on them but Symposium and Phaedrus makes it pretty explicit he's not interested in physical love.

>hold a fake trial
>gonna kill the dude for questioning authority
>boo he was mean to the judges

Yeah, Socrates should have asked for a lawyer and plead the fifth, what a tool.

Go to bed, Plato.

>The Divine Comedy
>It's not funny at all

>It was okay for Socrates to rape little boys because, homosex was fine back then.
You're probably a moral relativist, aren't you?

I'll say it again cause Veeky Forums's braindead.
Where in the dialogue does Socrates fuck boys?

>When he is with the lover, both cease from their pain, but when he is away then he longs as he is longed for, and has love’s image, love for love (Anteros) lodging in his breast, which he calls and believes to be not love but friendship only, and his desire is as the desire of the other, but weaker; he wants to see him, touch him, kiss, embrace him, and probably not long afterwards his desire is accomplished. When they meet, the wanton steed of the lover has a word to say to the charioteer; he would like to have a little pleasure in return for many pains, but the wanton steed of the beloved says not a word, for he is bursting with passion which he understands not;—he throws his arms round the lover and embraces him as his dearest friend; and, when they are side by side, he is not in a state in which he can refuse the lover anything, if he ask him; although his fellow–steed and the charioteer oppose him with the arguments of shame and reason. After this their happiness depends upon their self–control; if the better elements of the mind which lead to order and philosophy prevail, then they pass their life here in happiness and harmony—masters of themselves and orderly—enslaving the vicious and emancipating the virtuous elements of the soul; and when the end comes, they are light and winged for flight, having conquered in one of the three heavenly or truly Olympian victories; nor can human discipline or divine inspiration confer any greater blessing on man than this. If, on the other hand, they leave philosophy and lead the lower life of ambition, then probably, after wine or in some other careless hour, the two wanton animals take the two souls when off their guard and bring them together, and they accomplish that desire of their hearts which to the many is bliss; and this having once enjoyed they continue to enjoy, yet rarely because they have not the approval of the whole soul. They too are dear, but not so dear to one another as the others, either at the time of their love or afterwards. They consider that they have given and taken from each other the most sacred pledges, and they may not break them and fall into enmity. At last they pass out of the body, unwinged, but eager to soar, and thus obtain no mean reward of love and madness. For those who have once begun the heavenward pilgrimage may not go down again to darkness and the journey beneath the earth, but they live in light always; happy companions in their pilgrimage, and when the time comes at which they receive their wings they have the same plumage because of their love.

Charmides and Lysis are kind of homo as fuck user

He doesn't fuck them. In fact he tries to guide them to a higher standard of virtue.

alright, i know that you’re an idiot and you can’t read between the lines, its implied he is grooming them for later fucking you dumb nigger. plato, soc were both flaming homo pederasts and his friends in the dialogues are just as boy hungry. Idk if you yourself are a closet homosexual, a christian apologist retard, a pederast yourself or a /pol/ack but they absolutely were boy-mongering, cock worshipping homos. Its IMPLIED its all IMPLIED, its not a pornographic dialogue. You faggot idiot pseud

Why are you all talking as if he was real?

Okay, ingoring all his fucking philosophy on higher love, do you have any sort of academic source to back this shit up or are you just tard raging/le ebin trolling me right now?

actually, i heard it was more like 5 million

>read between the lines
There's nothing worth reading between the lines seeing that the purpose of the texts were PHILOSOPHY, and Socrates explicitly states on more than one occasion the inferiority of physical love. And how fucking retarded would you have to be to call someone else a psued when you so vastly misunderstand the trial of Socrates, completely ignoring the philosophical purpose of it (which reasons his innocence) and thinking a legal cultural practice of pederasty in Greece 2500 years ago has anything to do with the charges let alone makes him guilty. It shows in turn you likely don't understand the Socratic texts at all, but at least you can understand how cock-hungry the greeks were.

Socrates is more real than you are.

dude pederasty was an established institute in Greece that absolutely involved homosexual intercourse with underaged males, they depicted it in their artwork and Roman and later Greeks wrote about it extensively. Soc and Plato are obviously alluding to men they fucked and the archtypal males their class of men were interested in. You can keep shrinking away from the truth about your favorite philosophers, who if we heard speaking that way today we’d know were faggots without question. Its fine really
>academic sources to deduce an obvious truth
lol at you little bugman
idiot i made the posts explaining why soc was unjustly persecuted, i told the /pol/ users to go fuck themselves above for misinterpeting the Apology. Im just not myself a pedo apologist. I love Soc but he liked young men and fucked them. All the aristos did, all the upper class landowners fucked their male slaves. It was part of Indo-European culture, all warrior societies historically practice pederasty. The oldest relics of it can easily be found in Pakistan and Africa. You dumb fucking nigger
DAS RITE

I have literally no problem with greek men fucking other men, but despite what 'implications' you may see I don't believe there's a great reason to believe Socrates himself fucked for anything other than procreation in regard to his ideals of higher love and his many instances of avoiding/relegating the idea of erotic love. See .

>Posting the jewish translation of Phaedrus.

What does this mean.

historical revisionism and omittance

the greeks executed faggots like you

This. I wish Socrates could come back to life just to put all these nazi bitches in their place.

It's pretty funny. In fact, when Dante was writing it, he would laugh maniacally in the middle of the night and his neighbours would knock his door asking him to stop the noise.