Write for 2 hours straight

>write for 2 hours straight
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ok so write 300 words
do the same thing for 200 days
then you'll have a 60000 word novel

of course, they have to be good words, in a good sequence

Stop editing on the fly. Easier said than done but you have to stop yourself.

This is important. FIRST write your first draft and THEN you can edit.

Is editing the reason why you only write that much within 2 hours? If I spend 120 minutes sitting down with my file open, steadily working on the book, generally bare minimum I'll manage 3000 words and that's if I spend a few minutes every now and then just thinking. If all the thoughts are flowing freely and I'm just spewing everything onto the pages with minimal pause, 2 straight hours of writing can potentially give me as much as 4500-5500 words. That's 10% of a novel right there.

I had to find information on what the fuck i was even talking about

Not OP but I've literally never written a second draft of anything in my life because I edit as I go. How can you stop this impulse? If I realize something isn't good, I just fix it right away.

If you spent a lot of time researching, then you didn't "write for 2 hours straight", faggot. You are free to continue contemplating the answer you yourself pre-prescribed to your retarded 'problem'.

just don't do it. but of course, you can blame determinism for your problem.

You're a fucking jerk. Why do you have to make people feel bad? We're all trying just as hard as you. How is it possible to even write 3,000 words in one sitting?

You're obviously not trying as hard as him if he's doing 10 times as much as you in the same amount of time :^)

That's just Flaubert-mode
He wrote at an even slower pace. Just finish the thing.

Based emacs poster.

OP here
I'm at 336 words

I'm worse than a middle schooler

do that first tard

Yes, what I said was jerkish, but your claim to have spent 2 hours writing less than 300 words turned out to be factually incorrect because if you're researching then you're not writing. Stop being a drama queen. I've had instances before in which I spent an hour working on a book but due to all the researching I ended up only writing perhaps 1000 words, which is pitiful for an hour, but that's not an hour purely spent writing and as such I don't go around complaining that I should kill myself because "I can only write 1000 words in an hour". Mind you, when I say that's pitiful, it's pitiful by MY standards which isn't to say that other people are pitiful if one hour of PURE writing results in 1000 words or less. That might be fantastic by their standards, and that's fine. Keep at it and they'll likely improve.

>How is it possible to even write 3,000 words in one sitting?
I've been writing as a hobby for years, eventually decided to try my hand at actually making money from my books because I fairly consistently have gotten great compliments on my writing. I always wanted to write a book anyways, so I did. Then I wrote another... and another... and another... and so on.

Writing experience helps. My typing speed is pretty damn fast and I don't even need to look at the keyboard. My grammar is also consistently quite good as well which results in fairly clean first drafts. Still working on my usage of commas however, I find I can be a bit excessive with them. If we gauge "trying hard" in terms of years spent writing or how many days a week or a month is spent writing, then yeah, I'm probably trying harder than OP in most respects.

I have been asked to write a drafting of my own letter of recommendation for grad school. STEM brainlet here, never written anything in my life. Any pointers?

>writing for years
>grammar is "good"
>doesn't know how to use commas
hmm

so you're saying if i write slowly then I am an inherently worse writer?

its not fucking fair
why do some people like you have to be given everything and people like me get nothing

How long have you been working on the text?

what did he mean by this

2:00AM today and then i slept and posted on here

There's nothing wrong with writing slowly. Joyce for example worked on single sentences a whole week long.

Why?

Are you planning for it to become a novel?

it's just an article

I just find that I use them a little more often than I should. I've also in the past year or so discovered that seasons aren't always capitalized, blond=masculine and blonde=feminine, you don't always capitalize the directions of the compass or meals of the day (which I used to), and stuff like that. Ah, there's a case of those pesky commas as I had mentioned; I don't think that one was necessary at the end of my last sentence but I'll leave it in there as an example. The important thing is to always seek improvement, and a fear of admitting you're wrong or that you don't know something is a very unhealthy fear to focus on. Didn't Churchill say something to the effect of "all men make mistakes, but it is the great men who learn from those mistakes"?

Write slowly if you want, I don't care, but complaining that you can only write 300 words in the span of 2 hours when in ACTUAL FACT a lot of those 2 hours were spent researching, it's complaining over nothing and you're being a little bitch. Don't give me "its not fucking fair", life's not fair. You might never get to the point that you're making a living off your writing, just like I might never get to that point. I'm making progress, but there's no guarantee. Just like even though 6'/1.83m tall, even if it was my life's dream and life's goal to play in the NBA I likely would never make it. You play with the cards you're dealt, and if all you're going to do is whine about it then you've already lost the game. I haven't been 'given' my ability to write, I've been working on it for years and clearly I've still got some improving to do. You seem to have some maturing to do. Well, either that or you have some socialist/communist groups to go to and complain to if you think you're entitled to having everything handed to you on a silver platter. Disgusting.

How long is it supposed to be? What's the deadline?

you 100% were given your writing. You were given opportunities and the kind of upbringing that lead to you becoming who you are

I was given different things and those things are objectively worse than what you were given

As long as I want and no deadline

Sounds like there shouldn't be any pressure

you aren't worse than a middle schooler. no matter the pace, there is no way possible that a middle schooler would ever produce something as valuable as your material.

Think of Huxley's monkeys. They'd produce a masterpiece if left alone for thousands of years, but realistically speaking, it's not happening. Middle schoolers are a lot like such monkeys, and you are not. Even if you write slightly slower than them, measuring just the word count does not mean that your efforts are in any way bad.

>given opportunities and the kind of upbringing...
My parents knew nothing of my writings, and my entire family doesn't know the pseudonym I write under or any of the books I've written. There's no history of writing in my family that I know of, nobody has ever encouraged me to pursue writing, in fact the few times I ever mentioned it to my old man the subject was promptly changed or otherwise I was asked if I was making any actual money at it. At the time, the answer was a pretty clear 'no'.

You're not automatically defined by your upbringing or the opportunities given to you. People have won the lottery, given millions of dollars to try and change their life for the better, but often times the money doesn't last and they end up more miserable than they had been before. I grew up in a house that had hockey lovers and a clear hatred of firearms, yet I ended up being disinterested in hockey and adoring firearms. It's a huge passion in my life. I've tried to get a job at a gun store multiple times, no luck. I've tried to join the Military twice, still no luck. I combined my inherent interest in writing with my love of firearms in an action book and slowly but steadily I'm getting sales with it, it's making me a bit of money. Nothing substantial, but it's adding up.

Quit your bitching and work with what you've got, you're really coming off like a spoiled brat that just keeps whining "it's not fair!" I worked for the abilities I've developed, and seeing as I'm not even 30 yet I look forward to learning and developing all that I can over the next several decades, God willing. Capitalism rewards those who try. You're not trying, you're complaining, and it's bloody pathetic.

>capitalism rewards
mental illness detected, plz try again

Why do you think writing more is better. If you wrote 300 words every day of your life for the next 20 years you would have enough material for 20 novels, that’s plenty.

You were given the upbringing that gave you the ability to pursue writing. I wasn't.

You just have to blast through it without looking back. Accept that everyone’s first draft will always be undeniable garbage. Personally I always edit with a different pen which I keep in a drawer until the draft is finished.

>please try again
>please try
>try
Congratulations, you've figured out capitalism, now go do something that is of benefit to society.

Elaborate.

Stop whining.

I just want to be mentored by you ok? Do I have to fucking beg for it?

Not him, but maybe you should stop acting like a little bitch on a Tibetan scrabble fan forum, and get to your writing : ^ )

This.
You're on your own, stop being pathetic and spend more time writing. Nothing is going to be just handed to you so either get to work or give up entirely.
Correct. Write something that people will pay to read, and then you will be paid for having written it. Capitalism at work. If what is written is trash, nobody will want to pay to read it, thus the writer will not get paid for having written it.

Wow I have no idea what happened here but
OP here
I hit 510 words! I'm so proud of myself!

holy shit I'm not even the guy you're responding to, but how can you possibly be this much of a faggot? It simply blows my mind.

I hope you write your novel in its entirety so that a couple people will buy it and say its garbage. I hope it then falls away into the pile of books that are never read more than 50 times, you pretentious, whiny bitch

OP here I've decide to practice "spirit writing" im going to sit there with my keyboard in my hands and just go and let the holy spirit move me and produce a work in the end that i will edit i hope that it will all go alright you really are all lovely people .

It sounds like the typical leftist rhetoric, really. "You're white, thus privileged, and therefore have had more opportunities and a better upbringing to help you succeed. Meanwhile black people are oppressed and therefore blah blah blah fantasy land blah blah welfare blah blah people who voted for a black President can still be racist blah blah systematic racism blah blah."

luddite

>Well, either that or you have some socialist/communist groups to go to and complain to if you think you're entitled to having everything handed to you on a silver platter.
Oh look, it's a self-made man.

>If what is written is trash, nobody will want to pay to read it
I'll have you know my grandparents own at least three separate books authored by Bill O'Reilly's ghostwriter.

>"You're white, thus privileged, and therefore have had more opportunities and a better upbringing to help you succeed. Meanwhile black people are oppressed and therefore blah blah blah fantasy land blah blah welfare blah blah people who voted for a black President can still be racist blah blah systematic racism blah blah."
Sound like typical rightist satire, really. "Racism ended after Jim Crowe. I don't know what ideology is. Duh duh phbttttbtbt I have a black friend fart sound this is you: 'duh duh duh' fantasy land black people are given special treatment duh duh duh affirmative action is the real racism [diarrhea noises]."

300 words is a solid day's work, what the fuck are you on about?

You're on RUGS

You are actually missing some. If you have a clause starting with "which," it requires a comma. Also, you did need that comma depending on where you intended "stuff like that" to attach.

Look how helpful I'm being even though you were rude to me upthread.

I've seen a guy write half a million words in that time.

>damage control

Nigga just write at your own pace

No one gets the editing process.
Anyone can grow the meat. Who can properly trim the fat?

Please be my friend or next co-author.

Magical Alpha 777 poster gets it.

Good look. Writers/posters still utilizing 'silver platter' reference lost spinning in time.

It's different for everybody, Hemingway only wrote a few hundred words per day or some shit.

But, noobs are really bad at understanding how to draft. You don't edit the stuff while you write. Don't delete or replace anything. At first, you want to capture a "feel" with placeholder scenes, so you can go back and read it then rewrite by refining what you really meant.

In the last decade or so, the "write by the seat of your pants" meme via W. Somerset Maugham has taken prospective authors by storm. It was his description of his process, but it's really bad for new writers to take to heart. It's basically an excuse to be lazy, "Oh I don't have to do any real work, I can just summon forth greatness from the back of my neck." No, you are probably not a "pantser" like Maugham, Stephen King, or whoever. It's more likely that you would do well to have an outline. What "outline" means to you can be many things, but you really ought to have some document on your computer that at least has a bunch of bullet points you would like to accomplish. Add to this as you think of more things you would like. When you can't think of what to write, check the document to get back on track, think of what inspires you and how to fit it into this path, listen to music, and imagine your story is being spoken by a storyteller out loud. This outline would do well to be in a Hero's Journey format because it's the most easily executable, and like I said you can change it later. Le Rick & Morty man has some things to say about this:

channel101.wikia.com/wiki/Story_Structure_104:_The_Juicy_Details

Writing is a weird medium, because it's pretty much the only one where many people expect to just spew gold instantaneously. Musicians don't do this, they have a melody first. Painters don't do this, they have a sketch first. Expecting your first draft to be good is like baking a cake and hoping the eggs and flour on the counter are a good cake. You haven't even baked it yet. Revise. I say all this because I think it's the problem people have when they are "blocked", they are too concentrated on trying to write a good first draft. Don't be. The draft aint the cake, it's the eggs. Just worry about capturing the jist of what you want to say now, then go back and make it a cake later.

Graham Greene had a 500 word quota then he'd stop. It's a number I think strikes a good balance between quality and quantity. Be consistent though.

>STEM major, fresh from bragging on facebook about making 70k+ first year out, comes to /humanities/ for help.
Pathetic, desu.

You have the writing voice of Eliot Rodger.

What I do, to avoid editing, is turn my monitor off while I write.

Alright, fellas. Just wrote something up and had the (((shocking))) revelation that I have gained no talent from reading japanese comic books and serialized fiction. What book can salvage this garbage fire?

are you a "spirit writer" like /xlit/????

>writing for 2-3 hours
>60 words

The metrical rule I set for myself is overly hard, but I feel like I'm learning from it.

The holy spirit gives different gifts to all christians. Healing, speaking in tongues, writing...

wut

how did you get such an impression

I don't brag user.
I consider myself a complete brainlet. Reading has instilled a good amount of humility in me. :3
Please halp.

You can email me at [email protected] if you like. That's the email I have on my website.

You know, I had heard of Eliot Rodger and I vaguely remember watching a video he had filmed of himself. Seemed pretty cringy, acting like he was 'all that', and having looked him up I actually didn't know he was a mass-murderer. The whole suicide thing I knew about and understood, but God damn I didn't know he was so twisted. Killed a bunch of people just because he couldn't get any pussy, that's pretty sad. 22 when he died, by the time I was that age I had been with... 6 women? Well, girls and women; I had 3 when I was between the ages of 17-19 and they were all teens within the age of consent in Canada, which is quite lenient. It's 16, but if you're less than 5 years older than them then 14/15 is legal too, but I never went as low as 14. I was a fat fuck in my teens as well, didn't slim down until about 21 years old but ended up gaining it all back and then some though I've since lost a lot of it all over again. Anyways, had my 10th woman not long ago and it was the worst sex of my life. I've always liked girls with a bit of chub, but this time?... I tried morbidly obese. Personality-wise she was quite sweet, but God damn, never again.

This is a complete shot in the dark but I'm guessing that Eliot had standards that were too high; he wanted a woman that was on his level. He was a pretty handsome fellow and wrote a 100,000+ word book which is a feat in and of itself, even had the gonads to send it to over 30 people. Still a bit cringy though since apparently it had a bunch of personal stuff in it, and the fact he had three pistols during his spree, two of which being the same P226 model, it makes me think he actually tried dual-wielding which is just ridiculous. I tried it at the shooting range once, emptying two pistols at the same time. Nowhere near as effective as just using one with both hands. Also, two knives? I mean, come on... but yeah it would seem as though he certainly had a good bit of money to play with and bitches love money. Find some insecure bespectacled nerdy girl, take her out for a meal, try not to fail utterly in conversation, making her laugh will score some major points, then try making a move. If she turns you down, then she turns you down, who cares. Continue the dates, make no moves for a while, and when things feel right then try again. If you're still turned down, cut your losses and try for someone else; no more free meals for her. Instead of flips his lid and kills a bunch of people, like a bloody loser.

Christianity is pretty awesome, I must say. Been learning more and more about it lately and I'm liking it so far.

by allowing yourself to write garbage. nobody is gonna read the draft anyway (or maybe the final product lol) so whatever, just feel free to write trash. the point is, the draft is the unpolished, raw crap in your mind that you will describe poorly at first. for example let's say you're writing a court scene. but you don't know anything about actual legal lingo. so what? the point isn't the lingo, it's the scene. so write garbage. just write the scene in completely embarrassing made up procedure and buzzwords, the important thing is to actually execute the scene, the character work, movement of the plot, and so on. then when you revise, you research the specifics of what people would actually say in that courtroom and un-cringe all the shit you wrote by adding proper diction and informed changes to the court happenings. maybe you'll have to change a few major things. so what. just get the general feel of the scene on paper.

you have to get out of this mindset that you are writing good things in the draft. that's amateur hour, in the same way that a musician doesn't think his first 30 seconds of melody that hasn't been mixed/mastered is instant genius. you are being a giant idiot and unprofessional by thinking that actual writers or any professional instantly makes good things from thin air. that's not even how the process works. get it into your brain that people actually writing well do things a different way, and try to see how that happens in the sphere of genuinely successful people.

David Foster Wallace please go

>write for 2 hours
>wrote a whole poem
feels good
lmao @ u prose pleps

A lot of people don't understand that context matters with prose
Your Veeky Forums post should be short and concise , not an exercise in how well you can write.

So pretentious

not that faggot but I grew up in poverty. I moved a lot. I loved to read as a form of escape, but outside of public school I didn't have any real access to a literary education. I grew up in a rural area, the libraries weren't well stocked. I have had to struggle for everything I have had, including time to read. My progress may not be as impressive as yours, but there isn't anyone who would say that you wanted it more

Actually, you sound startlingly similar to that faggot.

t. that faggot

>grow the meat
Da fuk

I've been doing 400 pages an hour, two hours a day. My brain and hand both give out after that. Planning a new routine with a writing break for the new year to double that, hopefully. Double the time spent anyway, I'm not going to kick myself if it just increases the amount I write by 50% instead of doubling it; anything is an improvement.

Grow fat, trim it down to the meat. Christ I hope you never cook me a steak. I want that shit to be marbled.

words not pages. fuck. sorry just woke up.

>"look how self-pitying and self-defeating I am, guys!"

Stop whining and keep on practising.

>no ; or dashes
absolute plebeian

It throws you off.

>write for 2 hours
>vord crashes

It's called a semi-colon, and I don't use it in every single post that I write. I very rarely use dashes, unless perhaps merely 'faggot' fails to suffice resulting in it being upgraded to 'mega-faggot' or the slightly more socially acceptable 'ultra-queer'. Which do you prefer?

>thinking hyphens are the only kind of "dash"
absolute pleb

Wow you're such a unique millennial

How many drafts did you do for Living Amongst the Dead? I'm curious to see the metamorphosis between the first and last draft.

Also, you're talking about hyphens; dashes are different.

Fair enough, learn something new every day. Well I wrote the first draft of LAtD between roughly August 26-31 2016, somewhere around 76k words, give or take. Yes, that's a fucking crazy amount of typing, averaging over 10k words a day. I must have spent at least 4 hours a day working on that novel. I then actually wrote the first 60k or so words of its sequel for the next couple weeks or so before I realized I need to actually finish that first book, so left the sequel alone. I made a complete second draft, then something like half of a third draft before I realized that it'll never truly feel perfect and I can alter it until kingdom come so self-published it on October 20th or so. Wrote my worst-selling book "When her No means Yes" which I'm quite nervous about reading over someday. I released that one in November 2016, over a year ago, and have learned a lot since then.

Anyways there were inherent issues in my writing that I wasn't aware of so there were some grammatical problems that slipped under the radar even after 1.5 edits. So around January/February I took my time (because I fucking hate editing) going through it for one last draft right from the beginning, so basically the final product is draft 3.5. As for the sequel, I got to that one in mid-late March 2017, first going through everything I had written because I couldn't remember most of it, then topped it off with a pretty intense ending before self-publishing that one. That's basically the last book I edited, and it was my 4th. Books 5 through 10 are all first drafts, all 6 of them, are first draft releases. Pretty sure I didn't initially edit Firearm Valhalla either but I'm in the process of taking care of it and plan on writing a sequel. I think 'Another One Please, to Dull the Pain' is likely in need of some going-over and DEFINITELY in need of a new title. I mean, yeah, it fits the story, but it seems month after month I feel the cringe more and more though from the two people I know who've read it, I've been told it's well written other than a few grammatical errors.

Can you please stop? You make people uncomfortable. You don't belong here.

Why is that?

I don't like hearing about people doing a lot of writing or being successful. I will never be half as good as you

Not with that attitude. A different way to look at it is "hey, this Joe Shmoe who never got any encouragement in writing, who grew up poor yet also moved around frequently and never really had a stable home life, is doing his best. He knows that success is not guaranteed, that even after a year it's still not been obtained, and in a year's time it STILL might not be, but he's still writing, and slowly but steadily he's gaining readers, expanding his bibliography, and creeping step by step towards making it his full-time profession. If I dedicate time like he has, maybe I can have a chance at it too."

So far my most profitable month was last September when I made roughly $135 and that's from ebook sales, paperback sales, KENP, as well as ghostwriting. I live a pretty minimalist lifestyle, the closest I have to a luxury is the rum I drink every few days to intoxication, and I love just about every minute of. There's tough days, sure, but they're few and far between. I'm living my own life and making my own way. Right now I'm working on a novelette ghostwriting project for which I'll be paid $75, trying to get it done before Christmas, and I've got a promotional campaign planned for the 23rd/24th via KDP Select. I'm getting close to making enough money to where I can start investing in advertising to experiment with that because I've never tried it, but then again for advertising to be most effective I need actually noteworthy and good covers so I guess first I'll have to buy either some pre-made covers by graphic designers or maybe even get something custom made. Also as mentioned, should probably re-do the title of that drama novella. Just "Another One Please" would be far better; remove the last 4 melodramatic words.

Anyways, it's a long process, but it's an adventure. There is a HUGE learning curve in self-publishing and after over a year of being at it I'm still learning, as is pretty evident. It's pretty much taken over my life, and I give it willingly. I love to write, and I have some readers from different parts of the world whom I keep in contact with. They genuinely love my work and it feels incredible. Keep writing, every single day if you can even if it's just 500 words, and it may take months or it may take years but inevitably you'll find many of the experiences that I have. You'll get your first reviews, both positive and negative, you'll get in contact with readers who love your stuff, and you'll find out just how arousing the word 'bibliography' is.

user for a moment there i experienced the awe that comes from being in the digital presence of a true uebermensch

>Just write some shit down, and over time you'll reach my level!

Fuck that advice, practice makes permanent. You found some good shit and you aren't sharing.

I wish I was born with the distinct environment that allowed me to be independent and self driven but I was born into my role so I cant really do anything about it at this point

I write slow. So I'll never be as good as you

>practice makes permanent.
>You found some good shit and you aren't sharing.
What? Dude, read books, expand your vocabulary, and start writing. Will you suck starting out? Yeah, probably! So? You think Gretzky came out of the womb with a hockey stick and an Oilers jersey? You think Micheal Jordan came out with a basketball, or Babe Ruth with a baseball bat, or Elvis with a microphone?

Also, what do you mean 'reach my level'? Read my stuff, you might just find it to be shit, or maybe you'll fucking love it! I don't know! I've been writing for years so I definitely think that's helped but for all I know in 10 years time when I've probably got 50+ books under my belt, I might find my early work (present 10 books) to be just fucking terrible! Sure I've gotten six 5-star reviews and a few 4-star reviews among the 2-stars and even one 1-star review, but it's possible I've just gotten lucky thus far. Here, I'll give you a link to a book I have perma-free on Lulu, it's that drama novella that's roughly 28k words which I wrote in just 5 (very stressful) days and never edited, the one with the shitty title and a few grammatical errors. Check it out, I'm probably not as good as you seem to think I am.

I'm seriously curious as to what you think I'm 'not sharing'.

lulu.com/shop/j-n-morgan/another-one-please-to-dull-the-pain/ebook/product-23229284.html#productDetails

youre saying I have to read books?

This literally just sounds like 'poor me', you do not have my sympathy. That attitude sucks, and you suck for having it. I posted a link to a free novella, check it out and you'll probably find I'm not as good as you guys seem to think I am. I love to write, I keep writing, I do my best to improve but I know there's still a long ways to go and I'm fine with that. I'm not even 30, but I can't wait to see what advancements I'll make in that decade. One thing is for sure; I'll be a lot better then than I am now, and I think that's the attitude you need to adopt. Don't think in days, or weeks, or months, or even years. Set your mind to something and think about where it'll take you a decade from now. Less than a week from Christmas 2027. Let me guess, "my environment kept me down and I never improved because I'm restricted to my upbringing." Let me translate that for you. "These are my excuses, they make me a victim, and I play that victim card to excuse my lack of trying then blame said victimhood for my lack of success, therefore it is not my fault."

Your mindset is literal fucking cancer on your life.

It'll certainly help to expand your vocabulary if nothing else. Could also help with story structure and sentence structure if you pay enough attention.