Is there a cohesive anti-academia movement in existence?

That's not a movement, that's indifference. I'm well aware that no-one gives a shit about academia which is why academia's self-importance annoys me

Thanks, looks interesting. It's still written by someone in academia though.

fuck off

I and plenty of other people got a first class degree through writing nonsense. Masters degrees and PhDs are offered to anyone willing to pay, not just the academically-gifted students

>Is there a cohesive anti-academia movement in existence?

fat fucking americans and right-wing populist polemicists

too bad im never going to start working

t. Assblasted Social """Science""" grad struggling with debt

>still written by someone in academia tho
Buddy, I sympathize with you but you realize that academics are the only ones who care that academia is shit? Hell, the only reason you care is because you're a dyed-in-the-wool academic. Other people are apathetic because it really doesn't matter to then what a bunch of self-important nerds spend their time doing. The only way John Doe cares about the foolishness of the ivory tower is if his tax money is used to subsidize it.
You're looking for a reform, perhaps a purge among the cognoscenti, but not a complete dismantling.

Good man

That's apathy, though, not actual opposition to academia.

I see what OP means. I got postgrad funding for an arts degree and am honestly surprised there aren't more people calling for my head.

(((academia)))

I wouldn't be so hostile towards Marxism in this case. A Marxist analysis of academic institutions would probably yield an unflattering picture of academia.
They just take advantage of most people's justified resentment towards academia while still personally taking advantage of the benefits of these institutions.

yeth you are quite the independent thtudent of life itthelf and will accomplithith much in life im thure

Literally half of America's universities will be completely bankrupt in 30 years.

>Marxism is self-loathing
Woah, somebody stop the presses. Or, better yet, write a paper about it.

No, they made sure college was the next mandatory step of childhood extension for any and every one.

when can we ban america? they bring down the tone.

>Is anyone else angry that public finding goes toward financing Ph.D students writing nonsensical critiques of popular culture that no-one will ever read?
that should be illegal, multiple billion dollar schools fleecing students for all they can, multi million dollar presidents and ceos of school, then take money from joe scmho tractor driver to pay for Qyafhe Bagueoah's critique on the gender queer theory of fruitflys on wednesdays in the sub sahara and their opression

Yeah, and a lot of universities are spending more money than they have on things like luxury dorms, sporting facilities, and diversity offices.

It's not that it's self-loathing. It's just that Marxism as a method of criticism would not produce positive results about the function of academic institutions in society, especially in the US and UK.

Shut up you little third world nigger

If you're talking about this thread, I'm from the UK

thank you for this thread user
I'd say some of the issues that caused the putrification of academia are the same motives behind the escalating superficiality behind the vast majority of modern art

you know you're america-lite, and ought be banned alongside them.
>tfw one of the first third world countries
>tfw americans are unaware the third world relates to their cold war with russia
>mfw he thinks it means poor
>mfw they're still in charge of NATO and have no idea what their own words mean
>mfwnf
you shame your ancestors

There is VERY little dissent about this. I'm in academia as a "sincere Marxist" and I fucking hate neoliberalism, bourgeois brats, the whole goddamn system. It's a sickening disgusting bourgeois inversion of what it's supposed to be. It's the worst possible nightmare scenario for a Marxist, for anyone with an idea of intellectuals actually contributing to praxis. Marcuse is spinning in his grave if he didn't intend this all along. It's so patently obvious that this is like a dystopian outcome, not just to socialism but to ANY kind of meritocratic vision of humanity (even right wing, maybe especially right wing) that doesn't want its intellectuals to be choked and drowned out by pampered pussy children of the rich like an invasive weed destroying all other flora.

And I'm utterly surrounded by people who also claim to be sincere Marxists, because I'm in the Humanities and Social Sciences. Who, if I said "I'm pretty radically left wing," would say "yep me too."

Guess what? They don't even disagree with me, because they have no idea what I'm talking about. They think being an upper middle class or upper class rich babby and wearing $200 cardigans to class to half-understand Foucault every day is the pinnacle of praxis. They actively tell you to STOP being open to radical social change. I had multiple of them corner me after a class and sincerely and heartfeltly tell me I read too much "depressing" theory, and that if I'm concerned for social change I should "pick something," like an environmental cause, and write my scholarship in support of it, and that when I'm feeling angsty about how sclerotic academia is I should go home and "watch a Youtube video" and unwind.

Professors, ACTUAL FAMOUS "MARXIST" PROFESSORS, people who were INVOLVED IN THE RADICALISM OF THE 1960s, also don't see the problem. They were totally absorbed by the system. They have been so drowned in cocksucking do-gooder-as-long-as-it's-easy-and-convenient-and-makes-me-feel-good rich kids and the zombie of pseudo-academia, for so long, that they have no perspective anymore.

There are a few who still get it, but they are hardcore eccentric. I thought a few more would get it, based on their scholarship - like some currently leading or cutting-edge critiques of neoliberalism manipulating institutions - but then I would go to their talks and guess what the first thing that happens is? They go "hey Margot it was such a pleasure to go yachting with you and your [famous Marxist] husband last summer, we should do it again when you're up in Martha's Vineyard."

Are you Irish? Also, the meanings of the terms first, second, and third world have changed since the cold war ended.

Words change their meaning you stupid culchie fuck, get over yourself

They can't even see praxis anymore. It's THAT dead. Academia as a whole is going to collapse, it has become so enslaved to The System that it is now structurally subordinate to any permutations in the System. So when the next wave of culture is some equally propagandist neoliberal neo-con neo-Reaganite post-human scientism shit that just justifies corporatism even harder, and these intellectuals are phased out (as most of them die, remember - most are holders from the '60s), the birth pangs of the new order will be minimal, and no one will notice or care about the transition either way.

So if you want to topple academia and its pathetic fusedness with neoliberalism:

- No, there is no native movement on the inside capable of helping you. Maybe a few who would be sympathetic, but they're also wearing $200 cardigans and drinking $9 coffees while teaching their epigone to an epigone to an epigone of Marx classes and jerking each other off on yachts.

- Yes, academia is going to fall regardless of whether a movement "opposes" it because academia is currently a paradigm on its way out, it's the post-1968 "let's all feel good about being progressive :^)" daycare center for rich worthless pieces of shit living on daddy's credit card while attending Princeton and having mexican janitors clean up their filth for them.

- No, there is no united movement against this already waning academic paradigm from the outside, but you can delude yourself into thinking there is, because there is plenty of criticism out there. Unfortunately, what matters is not so much an abundance of criticism, but getting that criticism sufficiently in discourse with itself that it forms an organic base for positive social change, which hasn't been done and probably can't be done, because most of the critics are libertarian or scientistic STEM retards edging themselves at the prospect of re-doing the worst ideological failures of the 19th and 20th centuries.

- When academia collapses, it will give way to this latter group, the technicians and technocrats who are eager to sign up to build toys and trinkets for the plutocrats who run things now as well, but who have grown tired of the critical theory roleplaying rich brats, in this new epoch where the masses are completely unimpressed by the latter and no longer bestow any prestige upon them.

>I'd say some of the issues that caused the putrification of academia are the same motives behind the escalating superficiality behind the vast majority of modern art
Oh wow interesting take right there. Are you an intellectual, by any chance?

I don't think academia is on its way out. It's likely just going to become far more exclusive, leading to an increase in the concentration of wealth and power in the hand of the already wealthy and powerful. For the the most prestigious universities have as liberal/Marxist/pomo hellholes, they really are fundamentally anti-democratic.

Preach it sister.

To all the salties ITT, I have some questions:
-Do you oppose all institutionalised forms of eduction? How large is an organisation of educators before you think it's worthy of all his hate?
-Is it just that you have a few specific topics of education you don't want people to engage on? Or areas of thought that you don't consider education at all? Do you think the human race should not tend towards everyone knowing more and more about history and thought? Is is that the education is not rounded out enough for you? What about fields like medicine, social work?
-Why do you hate yachts and coffee and money? Why do you equate academic brilliance with a rejection of the modern world? What exactly is your problem with the way things are anyway?
-Let's say we could end these "fucked up" institutions. What do you want people to be doing with their lives?

>most of the critics are libertarian or scientistic STEM retards edging themselves at the prospect of re-doing the worst ideological failures of the 19th and 20th centuries.

Curious brainlet here. What ideological failures are you talking about and where can I learn more?

Are you being ironic? I'm not too bright

>both posters assume i'm irish and respond within minutes
it's conincidental that you both read "one of" as "the" first. it's also hilarious you both try to backdate common use to the time period you assumed me to be irish from. tuttut, "both" of you.

Not really. Mostly because I recognize that The Humanities is literally one small section of university.

Also I’m perfectly aware that this idea that ‘humanities departments predominately occupied with and preach Marxism with tolerating dissenting opinions’ is just false. I know the difference between ‘being concerned with social justice’ and Marxism. And frankly universities SHOULD teach concern for the social good, teaching people to care about people in their societies and recognize and fight injustices is a good thing.

History use to be dominated by Marxism, and I’d say it’s actually a loss now that it isn’t. Some of the best history writing in the 20th century was produced by Marxist historians. Then the 90s happened and it all became postmodernism and everybody forgot how to write good history.

But yeah, a university has a lot of departments. Physical Sciences, life sciences, engineering, arts, social social, and the humanities, and I’m not particularly bothered by them getting some share of the budget too. I think there is something of value there, and it’s enough to bother keeping them around.

I’m a big fan of the Liberal Arts notion of being well rounded, and I don’t think campuses would be a better place without them.

There is plenty of dissent, if anything I’d say that the humanities are characterized by their plurality. Far more than most disciplines. There is constant critique and dialogue and confrontation between scholars.

My problems with the educational system in the US/UK are different from most people's, but I'll take a crack at it.
>-Do you oppose all institutionalised forms of eduction?
No, not at all. Though I am against private educational institutions.
>How large is an organisation of educators before you think it's worthy of all his hate?
When the one some of these organizations have endowments larger than the GDPs of some countries. Or when the current head of state and the four who preceded him, a significant portion of congress, and every one of the most powerful judges in the country attended a loosely associated group of academic institutions.
>-Why do you hate yachts and coffee and money? Why do you equate academic brilliance with a rejection of the modern world? What exactly is your problem with the way things are anyway?
Because they're part of a system that encourages the concentration of wealth and education by a small, dominant portion of the population.

If you're not Irish you may as well be you incorrigible malcontent

Yes c:

academia is fucking trash but none of you pussies have the balls ascend to start business or descend into criminality, so get used hierarchical bureaucracies it because for mediocrities like you there is no alternative to being a cog, have a nice day

I am a criminal though

Yes there's an alternative, it's called getting out of the hellholes that are cities, getting a farm in the countryside and raising a family. With permaculture and some animals you'll need little in supplementary income and will be able to actually spend time with your kids, unlike most people who spend their days away from their kids letting them be molded by strangers.

I don't know about you but where I live all the girls from the country side move to cities and there's a huge epidemic of old male farmers dying alone

Americans should be contained on their own version of the internet.

It's not Marxism. They couldn't find Marxism if you locked them in an elevator with six Trotskiites and an icepick in each hand.

We need a better word for the melange that's come out of the US/UK colleges.

Marxist crit and history would probably be seen as "right wing" by the "leftist" wing. It's still happening, but not in the universities where the relevant phenomenon in OP is occurring.

The 90s weren't so bad, because there is some good work there- Paglia's at her height and queer theory still meant not expunging history for the Christians.
It is where the illegitimate movement that calls themselves social justice warriors got their foothold with the gender and culture wars, but that's not really postmodernism or Marxism.

I think a larger founder in the 90s though was therapy culture and the satanic panic of the 80s, which industrialized the value of fee-fees. Neither Marxism or postmodernism cared about people's feelings, but it's a concern which overrides all other values for the new movement, and it reminds me of the "Believe the Children (when they tell you aliens abducted and raped them after hours of hypnosis)" movement more than the movements it gets linked with too.

Calling it Marxism or postmodernism is about as good as calling it Zionism; it misplaces the problem.

Yeah, this is what kids need. To be apprenticed to one bitter cynical survivalist conspiracytard rather than receive many perspectives from a community of adults.

Back to primitive man! When loner eccentrics took kids away from the tribe to die alone and were much better for it.

>you may
I don't need your permission

maybe, and with solar you have some chances to live, but idk do you know anyone who ran a farm? i grew up on the outskirts of a college town with farms all around, well, let me ask how passionate are you about shoveling giant piles of shit?

Yeah, I'm with you. We should have just ignored all the trauma. For every 1 case of legitimately helping someone break the cycle of continued family abuse, depression, and addition there were 500 cases of false memories being implanted in poor defenceless children. Or was it the other way around?

cities are only hellholes if you live in the black section, otherwise they are comfier than ever

Eh, it's pretty fun when done occasionally, let's you understand the extremely humble nature of man and shit. I wouldn't want to do it for the rest of my life though.

>let's you
makes you

This is your brain on FULL IDEOLOGY

Fuck academia. Especially non-STEM shit. Liberal arts/humanities degrees are fucking worthless. The people that get them now don't even contribute to society or the economy.

Here's some advice for you morons:
Either go STEM or ditch college and learn a trade. And by go STEM I mean stick with Engineering or Computer Science mainly unless your a god tier genius at Math or some shit.

Otherwise you're wasting your time and money. Colleges should just be turned into pure vocational schooling anyway.

But as it stands right now, honestly, get a real degree. You want want a marketable education, not a political indoctrination. You can get the latter online easily enough.

I'm glad there's a place that exists that's funded to do things that the public doesn't necessarily deem to be profitable. Art should not need to justify its own existence. Now if public funding goes to something antithetical to societal values i.e. ISIS or something, then sure cut the funding.

But I think that there is a obscene amount of vitriol surrounding academia. There are definitely worrying student movements, and some of these movements are influenced by professors, but generally I wouldn't worry about "marxism" taking over the country.

>muh fee-fees
child abuse doesn't legitimize the APA giving the head speaker spot at their AGM to someone who believes satanic cults are killing thousands of patients every year by turning his patients into manchurian candidates. or erase the impact that had on the 90s in the US.

what your emotionally deranged mind is defending is basically the same principle as "it's better to get raped by both your father and examined by a doctor who does a rape kit and then get raped by the doctor because that might not taint the evidence on your father if you're lucky and keep the good doctor happy. rather than to just get raped by your father and not suck the doctor's cock"

you're basically a lizard person masquerading badly as a human. fuck off.

Other way around, bucko. You think people who want to be part of a community are idealogical but weirdos who want to retreat into isolation and take their kids away as well are doing it based on...? We're evolved to be together, user, rejecting that outright is spooky to the extreme.

I'm not anti academia in principle.

I'm not anti useless shit

I'm not anti dumb shit

I am anti useless and dumb shit that is subsidised by my taxes and controlled by a parasitic bureaucrat class who adds insult by claiming that their own judgement is objectively correct

>evolved
Doesn't exist

>rejecting that outright is spooky to the extreme
Human nature doesn't exist

>Doctors are bad, scawy men.
Grow up. People are trying to help traumatised individuals. If someone went through a horrific terrorist attack or a war and were legitimate unable to do anything but cry and tremble and were completely unable to work, would you not want someone who was trained to help them recover quickly?

Wew boy.

Doctors are bad. Read Ivan Illich.

The doctors who fueled the satanic panic and the proliferation of MPD diagnoses in the 80s and 90s to the detriment to the credibility of other doctors are certainly bad doctors. I don't think the fact that child abuse happens means it's okay to abuse children in other ways, especially in the capacity of a carer. That is why that therapy culture was toxic and obviously damaging to both the children who were convinced they were abused, and for children who were actually abused (especially since the satanic panic said to discount all abuse which could be recalled before entering therapy as irrelevant or cult misinformation).

You disgust me for defending child abusers by pointing to other people doing it too. You're a moral midget.

You think there are not doctors who are trained in helping but also aware of counterproductivity? You think you are better than them because you literally do nothing? You think because some doctors are crazy that we should abolish them all? Ivan illich was a VERY educated man, let's not forget. By large institutions.

>MUH FEEFEES
You don't think.

Medicine and the cult of life-worship is disgusting. People should ideally be dead by the age of 23.

>not starting with the Greeks
>rule of thirds
medicine 101, buddy: 1/3 of patients you should leave alone, 1/3 of patients you cure, 1/3 of patients you really should have left alone.
modern addition: get insurance.

Embarrassing and ironic.

No u.

Yes.

t. someone who doesn't pay taxes

please

What exactly does this prove? That you made two posts and I had different responses to them? Not sure why this is important at all.

>no u arguments only work when i make them
do they make rubber snowflakes?

You seem really confused right now.

And who said these girls are making the right decision? Quite a lot of them have been brainwashed by the lifestyle sold by media, celebrities and social media. And old farmers dying alone can stem from a myriad of reasons, their wives having died, for instance. But anyway, it isn't because most farmers do thing X that you must also do it. Who said you can't do it differently? The countryside is the only place you can truly mold your life according to your values, in urban areas you're forever a slave to the city. Most farmers rely on inneficient methods of farming, which can lead to a ton of problems. Does that mean that's the only way to go as a farmer? Absolutely not.

Your comment is quite ridiculous, and I see it would be a waste of time from my part to think any arguments would change your mind. Don't worry, you can live metropolitan, I'm not gonna go after you or anything.

The thing is most farms are inneficient. I know this sounds arrogant, but it's a topic worth looking into. I recommend you watch A Farm for The Future(vimeo.com/136857929), it answers some questions as to why most farms are doomed to fail. The things discussed in this documentary change everything about running a farm. And keep in mind I made a point specifically about self sustainability, which isn't really a thing with modern farming.
If you think so go your own way, I have no problem with that. In fact, I agree they are comfier than ever. I just do not think that's good(note I'm not saying moving to the ghetto is good, I'm talking about domestication)

in america the amount of taxes that go to higher ed is a minuscule part of the budget, and the majority of it is for community college tier vocation shit like accounting or air conditioner repair, stop being such a fucking crybaby

How so?

i'm not the one crying, dummy.

By using buzzwords and Veeky Forums "moves" like greentext and samefag as though you automatically win based on these childish things. I'm just responding to ideas, not playing 5d chess with you bud.

of course farms are inefficient, if you ever worked on one or lived close enough to one to know someone who did, the amount of work it takes to get some fucking milk, a few eggs, or some halfway decent tomatoes does not make sense at a small scale, so unless you can scale way up and buy a bunch of huge tractors and tons of mexicans for the stuff tractors cant do, it's really not worth it, if we all became homesteaders again the american gdp would go back to 1700s levels, only a fucking fool would recommend that

But the kind of art coming out of universities these days is literally tampons on cups user

I could call it a tu quoque, but you did in fact introduce the vernacular "no u"
>No u.
if in an orthographically incorrect fashion. It's as valid as when you used it, if not more so. Deal with it.

>And who said these girls are making the right decision?

Nah I just simply mean its hard enough to find a girl in the city where they actually outnumber guys, there's no way I would ever meet a girl in the country.

>Is there a cohesive anti-academia movement in existence?
some of the tankies and alt-rightists want to cleanse academia, so sure.
>fixates on the social sciences
Yes, its depressing that there is so much bunk research. Its likely due to an overpopulation of lower IQ people in positions of authority who allow the lesser thinkers into their ranks. Stupidity breeds stupidity
>neoliberalism, marxism
most people who teach in the humanities, which do not make up most of academia at all, you retard, are not marxists they're progressive liberals and social democrats who sympathize with a few of the Marxist social critiques that they cherry pick.
>yuppies sniff their farts and assume they're doing God's work
this is a problem with intelligentsia that goes back to ancient china, india and greece. You're pining for a social structure, and educational system that's never existed.

I want to hear more specific complaints, if you're just listing off kekistani talking points I'm not interested. I do think that there should be a purge of these people, but for different reasons.

Question: have you read Kapital? have you read Engels? have you read Lenin or Bakunin or Kroptokin or any socialist thinkers whatsoever outside of the communist manifesto (have you read that too)?

You are supposed to reject the ones deemed destructive and immoral. I'd very much like to form a tribe with those who share values similar to mine, and in the future that's probably gonna be nearby families. That is completely different from feeling obliged to relate to a random body of people stripped of any values I find admirable with whom I share no relation. When in a sick society, those who choose to assimilate into the sickness, even more so those aware of said sickness, are even more to blame than the ones who dare not criticize the status quo.

Nonono because about 10 posts ago you said a term that implied a certain degree of quality of verbal exchange and this indeed now is heretofore to be found in our exchange so perhaps you need to take a close look at posts that you made responding to multiple posts about 15 posts ago in which in fact I had been not one but thrice of your targets!

Agree with this. But tribes don't need to be physically distant to do this.

>Nonono because about 10 posts ago you said a term that implied a certain degree of quality of verbal exchange and this indeed now is heretofore to be found in our exchange so perhaps you need to take a close look at posts that you made responding to multiple posts about 15 posts ago in which in fact I had been not one but thrice of your targets!
You're not dealing with it well.

No u.

It all comes down to beauracratic creep in my opinion. People that have burrowed themselves into increasingly specialized positions seeking ways to get their incredibly specialized niche more funding and importance, breeding even more and more cloistered academics doing the same. Put into a more general liberal arts environment the vast majority would utterly flounder.

Really the only solution would be to model more schools on places like U of C, and require a more diverse knowledge base, and to force academics to commit to teaching outside their specialty.

You're a bit stuck on that to not be glue, snowflakeboo

It's a callback, we're making comedy history bro.

Vaudeville wants its dummy back.

I'm going to live forever!

Read up on permaculture as I mentioned. Not only it solves the sustainability of the current model issue, but it's a self feeding system that requires very low input, ultimately freeing the farmer for other tasks. If you only do it for self sustainability, you can have a farm with permaculture and some animals and only have to work on it during mornings. That means you're free to do whatever you want the rest of the day and need much less money to go by. Not to mention it is optimal to raise a family as I said before,

I'm aware it's hard user, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. I'm not saying isolate yourself in the countryside and hope to meet people. You should look for a community you can trust anyway, but you've gotta get your shit together first. The ideal girl which we know is hard to come by won't be attracted to someone who doesn't have his shit together. They probably won't live in cities as well, or at the very least are looking to leave as soon as they can. They won't be in nightclubs and bars. Engage with communities that live according to the lifestyle you aspire to and you'll eventually meet people.

When did I mention physically distant tribes? What I'm talking about is the kind of tribe I find valuable is unable to exist in cities, because cities are a highly planned, fixed "state of existence". You're limited by whatever happen to be the attractions and are trapped among undesirable types in an environment hostile to building a family. The tribes I'm thinking of are rural, but not big truck bible thumpers. Most of all, I want to find other Europeans who care about blood, soil and self sufficiency. Those parameters boil down those I want to be a part of my tribe to quite specific terms. And such a tribe can only take place in the countryside, for cities are the living antithesis of our values.