Trivium

The trivium is making quite an impression on me. So far, I've
learned that the liberal arts consist of two things. The Trivium
and the quadrivium. The Trivium consists of the following three things - Logic, Language, and Rhetoric. The constituents of quadrivium on the other hand has more to do with measures. Arithmetic, geometry, music, not instrumental music, but more "fundamental music". Instrumental music is categrorized as a
fine art as opposed to liberal arts, that which enriches the
individual rather than producing something.

Now Logic is what we should use to refine thinking. Language is
for communication and rhetoric is for persuasion. My focus
throughout the study of this book is going to be on language and
rhetoric as I have certain grasp of logic already, but on the other
two fronts I am a little weak.

Coming to Rhetoric, this is important to me as I've become a little
obsessed over the course of the past few days with being able to
communicate effectively. Effective communication has its roots on
rhetoric. Although I resisted what I considered the eroding of the
purity of logic ,which emphasized on understanding , by rhetoric
which emphasizes on clarity of communication, I've come to the
realization that my thinking was misplaced. Logic is critical for
the individual as he tries to grope and come to terms with a new
concept, but once a sufficient level of mastery has been achieved
an individuals effectiveness then comes down to his communication
skills. Here is where rhetoric, by putting emphasis on effective
persuasion, can lead to a new increase in knowledge. This is due to
the fact that the people convinced by effective rhetoric can use
their understanding as a foundation for future endeavors.
Thanks for the rec Veeky Forums

Sounds like a meaningful read.
>Books about higher education are chalk full of theory.
Does the kind sister provide any historical background for her approach?

Not much , it's mostly been theory so far.

She's an Aristotelian through and through.

Brainlet here. What does this mean?

I mean the logic and rhetoric is heavily influenced by Aristotle. The middle section of the book is basically the Organon except readable.

>chalk full

Thanks for the response.
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>Anyone else feel like there should be such a thing as topical dubs? Either way you won though.

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet. IMO the book by Sister Miriam Joseph is great in concept but a meme in practice. Try this chart for something more robust and tolerable.

JESUS MIRIAM JOSEPH

Why's it a meme?

What a qt

Have you read it? IMO it's hard to follow and even harder to absorb.

I am reading it right now. It'll take time to finish, but doesn't seem too hard.

Could someone tell how classical rhetoric is different from rhetoric?

Which one do I have to learn to be a snake oil salesman?

There's not really a distinction to be made. Classical rhetoric is usually a reference to the speechmaking or courtroom oratory that guys like Aristotle or Cicero focused on.

Classical rhetoric is about understanding all of the various means of communicating ideas. i.e., logos/pathos/ethos, literary devices, etc. What you're looking for is something like Influence or How to Win Friends and Influence People.

What about political rhetoric etc..?

That's speechmaking

>rhetoric
Shit I have been waiting for this kind of thread and got a chart either way. Thanks user .

How do you find your voice?
The only writing I've been doing is
my diary desu