I've seen people swear up and down it was either a giant jewish conspiracy as well as the source of modern leftism and just many others insist that it's a just a massive generalization for a bunch of different ideologies and movements that started in the 1900s. Either way this subject makes this board lose its shit and I'd like to know why.
So what the fuck IS postmodernism anyway?
Connor Adams
Jayden Ward
every subject makes this board lose its shit friend
Easton Richardson
All right faggot I'm gonna try to answer you but you should know this is basically a guess.
Postmodernism can be characterized by its rejection of obvious truths and mores, its fractured story lines told from the point of views of multiple characters, its relative high level of energy, and
philosophical themes post continental and analytical divide. It usually comes in the mid-to-late 20th century.
Here's how I explain it to my friends. We got past the major threats toward the extinction of humanity and WWII, knocked down the major hurdles in science and industry, perfected the two-hour film and the novel, and then looked around and said, "well, what's our excuse for living now?" It's looking back at the aftermath of all that and saying, "Oh, shit guys, we probably shouldn't do that again," and getting really meta on a bunch of shit and using pop culture references all the while.
Nathan Lee
Yeah but this one along with Marxism have caused the biggest shitstorms I've seen on this board and very little of it seems to come from the subjects themselves but their wildly varied interpretations of it. It isn't the controversy itself that makes me curious but how you guys deal with it.
Brayden White
>Either way this subject makes this board lose its shit and I'd like to know why.
Americlaps and anglos in general are prone to going apeshit everytime they don't understand something. See: the whole body of knowledge known as "analytic philosophy".
Grayson Diaz
>muh progress
>muh enlightened humanity
>muh modernism
>two world wars holocaust hiroshima gulags later
>hmm...
>let us be a little more suspicious of these cultural narratives, perhaps even critical
Brandon Green
This.
Elijah Lopez
When I understood it was looking at Dickinson and realising her poems had strong structures and objective meaning, if idiosyncrasies, as a response to romantic era subjective truth within changing structures. Early America was a stable world where everyone played by the rules of the game of capitalism, certainly more than traditional European life. She is really a quintessential modernist.
I then realised that Elliot was more a return to romantic ideas, but in a soulless world. In a world where social structures are dissolving in the pursuit of maintaining capitalism, and with the threat of atomic bombs, you had neither the structure of modernism nor the hopefullness of romanticism.
At least that’s how I understood it. These terms are as ambiguous as the true nature of god, in that you can approach understanding but never reach it.
Where the alt-right view arises is that this new world means an individual must find meaning independent of society, and class consciousness and inclusion in an activist group are both great proxies for belonging. It just happens that Marxist theories(I mean in the sense of social sciences which won’t cite anything before Marx, and whose citation networks inevitably centre on Marx’s work) provide a great excuse to form these bonds. As does belonging to a strong religious movement, which is why the internet has hosted both super fedoras and hyper trad Catholics(at least people who self identify as such) so far this millennium.
Nolan Morris
The alt right does not exist. Your post is being reviewed.
Josiah Wood
Judaism.
Daniel Hall
If they cannot reduce something to a single definition that is workable in a logical framework is more like it. They think words are things in themselves. Aristotle overdose.
Brandon Diaz
>two world wars holocaust hiroshima gulags later
every one of those things is the fault of the german "people" besides
>hiroshima
>bad
Ryder Cook
No, they were fault of or were responses to jewish actions.
Henry Roberts
White Noise is a pretty good example of post modernism writing and also a great book in general.
Although a good amount of the humor in it is nuanced and intended for those with a functioning brain.
Noah Garcia
You might have well just posted the rick and morty copy pasta
Cameron Gray
Does it really matter?
Joshua Fisher
Enlightenment / modernity was a huge fucking frat house party in which the West partied as hard as it could in the high fumes of FREEDOM and REASON. Around the beginning to middle 20th century, the party started to end, people started going to their houses and the west went to clean the house. What it found was that it's FREEDOM and REASON party completely wrecked their own house, the rest of the campus and the possibility of the university acting as a cohesive harmonious structure for a while, so the West swore off the Enlightenment, but that is only until it finds another party it wants to go, of course.
Eli Allen
ok senpai, watch in this order, it'll explain it
youtube.com
youtube.com
Justin Fisher
Nope! Literally the evil in the Germans let loose.
Ryder Diaz
>someone sperged out so hard over Veeky Forums having reactionaries, right wingers, evola fans et al that they made that entire autistic incomprehensible image
holy shit lol
Adam Walker
Nope! There would have been nothing to "let loose" if jews hadn't been trying to keep them down.
Nolan Scott
This was probably one of the worst posts this board has ever seen.
Jaxon Rogers
Yes there would, everyone has the potential for evil. Even IF they were being oppressed culturally that would not be justification of the evils they committed. If they were so advanced they could have risen up without literally being possessed by the drive to torture. They were disgusting immature filth.
Daniel Wood
>he still believes in the holocaust
Dylan Scott
Exact numbers don't matter once you get to that amount of torture, and yeah, it definitely happened.
Lincoln Turner
OH SHIT LOOK OUT HANS SHE'S COMING RIGHT AT US
Levi Lee
You are disgusting and every jew the Germans may have killed was killed justly. It was the jews who murdered 60 million Russians prior to WWII and tried to overthrow the German state in similar bolshevik revolutions that led to national socialism in the first place.
Elijah Hughes
The holocaust survival stories are the greatest works of fiction the world has ever seen
Hunter Hall
You really need to take this stuff to reddit. This isn't the place for jewish lies and propaganda.
Isaiah Lee
Oy vey.
Jayden Ward
Honestly, what is the evidence it is fake except for some of the accounts of literal trauma victims being somewhat extreme? They were psychologically fucked up.
This is not the place for anything in particular, you lame-ass little treehouse club-loving fuckwit shitdick.
Cameron Perry
I'm sorry, you're the one making a claim. Where is your proof that it happened?
>besides "psychologically fucked up" people making extraordinary claims
Xavier Price
It's because DFW is postmodern and his fans are psychotic memers, and it adds to the furore of the SWTG postmodernist memers already present on the board.
Postmodernism is basically "maybe all the technology ain't so great, and studying the Greeks might make you happier". It's also basically "memes are important pls do not steal my memes i am already stealing my memes"
/pol/ is afraid of it because it thinks that it means SJW/Jewz. They should really hate it because it more often means pedo than either of their things, but they were already busy hating SJWs and Jews when they first heard of it, so they assumed it was like other things they hate.
Postmodernism usually is just a return to the Greeks and a disillusionment with modern progress. This speech from Trainspotting captures it pretty well
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCxgqHqakXc
Christopher Scott
I was in your position for a long time OP, and am definitely still in it to a large degree, but I've caught a glimpse along the way into postmodernism's nature.
The book that tied a lot of strands together for me was pic related. I recommend it for its completely straightforward while still somewhat decent analysis.
Post-modernism, at its broadest definition, can most aptly be defined as a lack of substance in the current era of some field (whether its art, architecture, philosophy, or political thought, etc), and a resulting looking backward to previous eras for inspiration. The most neutral and least harmful expression of this is in the realm of architecture. Modernist architecture was so ugly and horrific, the succeeding period of Postmodernist architecture (which we are in) candidly realized it had nowhere to go and thus looked to the past to create hodgepodges of older styles, while introducing modern sensibilities.
In philosophy, social thought, etc (i.e., "academic though") the problem is much graver when a generation of thinkers cannot find a foundational base for their ideology that they can actually believe in, and thus the problems start. By refusing to believe in the past seriously, as well as the present, Postmodernist academic thought rejects the possibility of meaning even being possible, and thus embrace chaos and nothingness as the only meanings themselves. That is precisely why most Postmodernist art is so chaotic and ugly, precisely because such qualities are seen as the goal. C.S. Lewis said something of "nothing being strong" without God, in the literal sense of the desire for chaos and nothingness becoming the overriding power in a person without a firm base in some faith.
Now, in such an environment, the human intellect is weak to deeper ideological temptations, and thus you have the rise of Marxism having subtly infected most of upper academia.
That is the best way I can express my general understanding atm, OP. I hope I helped a little.
Elijah Sanders
>DFW is postmodern
lel
Colton Taylor
I'm not the one making the claim, I am accepting concensus history. It's like you are like saying
>Elvis isn't really dead, if you're saying he is you better have evidence!
Easton Lopez
Just read some Eco, the rest is trash
Lincoln Bell
Anyone who still believes the 6 million myth is not the curious type. Jews and truth go together like feces and applesauce.
Eli Ward
I didn't say DFW spammers were smart enough to know that.
Justin Bell
Postmodernism is just vague and pretentious language dressed up to mean something important when it really means nothing at all.
Easton Smith
The Jews weren't responsible for WWI and the treaty of Versailles, both the result of collective European fuckery that Germany was significantly involved in. They were also near responsible for anything in the Pacific theater and the Japanese refusing to surrender or the preexisting conflicts between them and the US in the region. Nobody made Germany invade her neighbors and murder millions of people for no reason nor did anyone make the nips greedy subhumans. Shit just happens and there isn't always a giant evil conspiracy behind it.
Aaron Hernandez
>I'm literally not smart enough to doubt "history" or come up with a proper analogy: the post
Christopher Hughes
...
Connor Nelson
>The Jews weren't responsible for WWI and the treaty of Versailles
Jews were heavily involved, what are you talking about? Judea also declared war on Germany in 1933 and were the primary actors responsible for pushing England and the US into the war.
Isaiah James
Holy fuck the /pol/ is strong in this thread
Daniel Gonzalez
No, Tel Aviv is.
Bentley King
>germans elect a leader who wants to kill all the jews
>jews boycott germany
>MEIN GOTT KILLING 6 MILLION PEOPLE IS JUSTIFIED NOW KAMERADEN
so THIS is the power of german philosophy
Wyatt Taylor
>implying the jews didn't kidnap the king of rock to stop him from dispensing his groovy red pills to the masses
You seriously have to go back, Veeky Forums is not a place for dishonesty and jewish bullshit.
Jack Murphy
>let's cut out your examples
>i have provided more examples for mine
>but i will ignore all other examples of the use of 6 million
>now i have more
Carson Anderson
>mainstream media outlets don't all agree on poll results or rally attendance
>the election never happened!
Elijah Roberts
reminder: if you believe Jews run the world or that the holocaust was faked you are mentally ill
Camden Reyes
Please tell me there aren't seriously people this stupid on this board. Can you just go back to r*ddit and stop bringing down the average IQ?
>muh kill all jews nazis wuz ebil
John Price
>nuking a fucking city
>not a bad thing
Are you a fucking retard?
Easton Lee
I see this happening a lot now. You guys do realize that the whole reddit thing doesn't work when /pol/ is the most reddit board on this site these days.
Elijah Hernandez
Just because you came here from shilling on /pol/ doesn't mean you belong here, subhuman filth
Jordan Watson
This post is jewish projection. Jews have the highest rates of mental illness due to inbreeding. Jews also never belonged in the west and it is no one else's job to protect them.
Samuel Williams
It's kind of hilarious /pol/ hates jews and postmodernism when the first English language post modern novel has a bit with a jewish fertilizer conspiracy. It's almost like they don't read.
Jeremiah Ross
>/pol/ hates jews
It's unfortunate people don't listen and refuse to familiarize themselves with the facts. Have you ever read a jewish religious document, the type jews have been memorizing psychotically for centuries? Nothing as hateful has ever been produced by a non-jew.
Jayden Gonzalez
mental illness flaring up here
Aiden Reed
the holocaust happened but it was blown out of proportion by allied forces
Nathaniel Baker
Not him, but son, you are a cretin.
Eli Bennett
Has anyone else got to the point where they honestly don't know what they think of the Jews
I can't tell if I'm crazy or that's just what they want me to believe
To tie it into the OP, I feel a lot like the protagonist of Foucault's Pendulum
Camden Howard
Yeah I've read the Bible, but I won't have you insulting Wyndham Lewis's ability to hate. What does this have to do with postmodern novels?
Mason Evans
Shouldn't you guys be at temple?
Daniel Edwards
>temple
Are we buddhists this week?
Joshua Butler
Why do you think they're always slinging mud and calling people mentally ill? It's just the last resort trick that they fall to when they have nothing to actually discredit someone's beliefs.
Jack Green
Do Americans get beat up by Jews a lot? kekekekek. Explains why they're also their bitch, and why they feel so persecuted by them. Seriously LMAO at the image of Americtards regularly getting their pudge tenderized by Jews. Try pulling their beard next time, lardies.
Liam Lewis
Jews are very bad people, a sick tribe that causes serious problems wherever they go. No white man can be considered crazy for studying why that is, informing other whites about it, and proposing their removal from our societies. No group is responsible for more misery and death than jews; disliking them is not only natural, it is obligatory.
Asher Hill
>tfw no qt anne frank gf
Austin Allen
Tell me where you live and I'll find you the jews running your society. No one is immune to the jewish problem, you pathetic mongrel.
Asher Harris
>why they feel so persecuted by them
IKR? They seem genuinely afraid of Jews. Who gets bullied by a Jew? I mean, really.
Isaiah Torres
>Tell me where you live and I'll find you the jews running your society.
Why would I need or want to meet you or a Jew? Where do you live that you're being bullied by Jews? What kind of halfman are you that you get bullied by Jews individually or through your society? Frankly, it sounds like you deserve what you get.
Luke Jones
What non-white shithole do you reside in and why are you currently on a white literature board? Are you lost?
Jordan Rivera
>you pathetic mongrel.
Lads I'm offering 3/2 on this poster is a filthy American trying to pretend he's a real person. Any takers?
Grayson Bailey
I'm Irish. We own the English language and several major languages of literature since you dumb mongrels can't spell.
Oliver Sullivan
You mean Eliot? Fag
Cooper Davis
Whats your argument here exactly? For example someone lied about being a Vietnam veteran so it obviously didnt happen is what you're claiming
Dylan Turner
>What non-white shithole do you reside in and why are you currently on a white literature board? Are you lost?
>I'm Irish
fukkin tyrannysaurus rekkt
Zachary Sullivan
Stop
Jacob Adams
fun fact: the Irish Culdaen monks taught the illiterate Saxon nobility how to read and write and were the most literate people in northern europe for centuries
Joseph Carter
Lenin and Stalin weren’t Jewish, brainlet
Eli Torres
>people lie about being vets
Vs.
>these actual accepted testimonies at the nuremburg trials
Why the fuck do stupid people feel the need to enter discussions they've obviously done zero research on? The internet was a mistake.
Mason Gutierrez
No real surprise there I guess. You need to screw your head on straight craic boy and stop attacking other whites while defending jews, unless you want Dublin to turn into a Muslim hellhole like London and your sisters to get gang raped like the girls in Rotherham.
Caleb Miller
Lenin was jewish.
Christian Martin
The paragraph about research is amusing, the irony is lost on you it seems.
But please do tell how these were used as actual testemonies, because I havent seen them before. Its like when people link the faked stormfront photos that werent used in any publication ever as an example, so pardon my scepticism.
Gabriel Evans
oh fuck /pol/'s bad enough, the irish are just going to tell us their entire oral history of owning literature since the neolithic again now. fuck you /pol/ your jews bullshit might be boring but we didn't need a 10,000 year history of "did you know we invented cowboys? did you know we invented modernism and postmodernism? did you know we invented overuse of litotes and irony and english spells both of those wrong if you know any greek? did you know my brother knows karl marx? you know i know a little latin: amicus amici? did you hear me pronounce the colon stop?"
Cooper Wilson
There were technically jews involved in the negotiations but there was no jewish lead conspiring going. Germany got fucked because they were biggest and strongest existing country on the losing side of the war and were causing problems for British before it, of course they got screwed in the aftermath by the victors. No mass jewish manipulation, just basic politics.
England went to war with Germany because they broke the treaty of Versailles and invaded their allies. America did because Germany's allies were bombing their navy and taking over the Pacific, which they still had interest in.
Hunter Edwards
No, you're a Jedi.
Luis Edwards
>other whites
We're not white, you retarded monolingual cunt. Read The Commitments by Roddy Doyle, it's probably all your popaddled brain can manage, nobody's ever given a shit about Dublin.
Isaiah Wood
Can't I be the Princess?
Asher Howard
>literally lol ur dumb
Not an argument.
Ryder Parker
>Dublin to turn into a Muslim
m8, Dublin's got better since the Muslims came here. You seem to think Dubs would not charge their drinks to your tab and steal your shoes. I think most people would view that as a social service if it happened to you, to be fair. You sound like a dick.
Jackson Rogers
Very naive perspective. I recommend doing more thorough research before weighing in next time.
>England went to war with Germany because
Their leader, Churchill, sold his soul to jews.
Grayson Powell
Justice isn't bad, it's good.
Brayden Gutierrez
>Their leader, Churchill, sold his soul to jews.
Is that why Churchill called Gandhi an evil man, or was that before the Jews did their magical soul possession contract ritual over him?
Jason Miller
Utilize some long-term perspective and try to imagine what your nation will look like in 100 years with these trends. You're creating war for your children and grandchildren. Stop being retarded.
William Bennett
Jew detected
Grayson Hill
>You're creating war for your children and grandchildren
You act like we're adverse to that. It's good, gives the kids something to do so they don't turn out like you. Utilize a book more often, retard.
Jace White
>ending a war and preventing a land invasion that would have killed several times as many more people by bombing cities with large military presences after warning them in advance
>a bad thing
The Japs were genuinely evil so it would have justified anyway.
Logan James
>You're creating war
>telling the Irish not to do something it might start a fight
You should tell him be careful of alcohol too, he might listen to that from you.