Which philosophers support the idea of a social hierarchy?

Which philosophers support the idea of a social hierarchy?

Plato, very explicitly

Define social hierarchy

That disgusting wretch would be gassed in any rightful Fascist rule

She's cute. Would date.

Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Nietzsche, Confucius.

Basically all the old and influential ones.
As for philosophers opposed to it? Can think of Thomas Jefferson, Adam Smith, Ayn Rand

>she

Nigger is you blind, men aren't that dainty.

Could be a teenage boy, I dunno what goes on in Slav land

Different classes "based upon their occupation and income, wealth and social status, or derived power"

The American founding fathers absolutely supported a social hierarchy

Wait, how does Nietzsche support hierarchy and Ayn Rand doesn't

Anyone who isn't a retard is for social hierarchies of some nature

I'm also looking for the books they wrote about it in. If you know any direct quotes that would be good for thread discussion.

I believe in intersectional feminism and that we should be aiming for accurate gender and racial representation in all fields of work. Tell me, Whats wrong with that?

Aquinas writes about the "obedience" as a special virtue as lay people ought to be obedient to their superiors spiritually and ethically. He unifies classical and theological thinkers in his summa theologica. He builds off of Aristotles ideas of justice and virtue in his theology.
Nietzsche in Beyond Good and Evil writes about the noble man. Everyone else he refers to as the "rabble." If you're familiar with his writing you would see his elitism at once.
Plato obviously writes about the classes in The Republic, Aristotle in his Ethics, and Confucius in his Spring And Autumn Annals. As Confucius would say, "Those with the highest social position need not obey the same laws."
Ayn Rand and Nietzche are similar thinkers. Life is about the pursuit of happiness, fulfilling your drives. Nietzche too writes about the need to fulfill inner drives such as the "Will to Power." Very important part of his philosophy.
I included Thomas Jefferson, Ayn Rand, and Adam Smith since I knew it would rile some lefty trolls :P
Though honestly, if you do compare them to those classical thinkers, including Nietzsche as he was a classisist and would be delighted with the label, they really do champion individual freedoms and dignity unlike the rest.

>:P
Get out.

Forgot to include the greats! Ralph Waldo Emerson, Thoreau, Franklin, Hobbes are all critical of social hierarchy. Arguably Martin Luther as well for starting the revolution centuries ago. God bless

How do you determine "accurate" representation?

it's accurate, if it accurately reflects the proportions of the wider population.

Plato the socialist, you mean? Thanks, retard.

>Plato
A fucking socialist.

Have you morons never read The Republic?

So, taking into account that, for example, the sexes tend toward different lines of work even in the most free and equal countries in the world (see Northern Europe), accurate representation is still based on group proportion, not actual group interest?

I think most support some form of it, at least implicitly.

brainlet thinking. are you saying this as someone who's for or against socialism? either way you're wrong and just introducing a non-sequitir even if you are somehow right, because the Republic absolutely espouses a social hierarchy.

Plato was definitely a fascist.

all of the ones that matter

It espouses a spiritual hierarchy, you are referring to the part where it talks about how some are born with silver or gold or copper in their chest? Yes this is a spiritual hierarchy.

There is a part in The Republic where he says all property, including wives!, should be held in common, and he says this is justice as well.

But doesn't he then go on to say that we must take the spiritual hierarchy into account when arranging our actual society?

Yes but these people do not own more, they just hold different positions.

To be honest, I didn't really like that example myself, but I always liked Plato's idea that we are born pure and better it is to have no vice introduced to our lives than to have it introduced at all and have us abstain from said vices with piety. I loved Plato for that idea but what was most important with the silver, gold, and copper metaphor was that the most pious, but perhaps boring and detail intensive tasks were those that were most just. Like judges or kings, and those were reserved for those who had gold in their chest. So as not to be a rhetorician like Plato warns of in Gorgias, but rather to be a pure judge or king, speaking for what is actually right, not what others want to hear.

He was really a spiritual hierarchist then, and an economic socialist.

We should transcend gender and race, not wallow in it.

>anachronism

Totalitarian maybe. Stop applying these ahistorical labels.

but sexism and racism get are persistent problems, which get in the way and prevent us from transcending gender and race. Hence, I believe it is rational to support feminism and anti racism in all aspects of life and culture.

>The only way to transcend sexism and racism is to make them the most important aspects of our society.
This is hilarious.

Exactly. Someone gets it. There we go. Boom.

It's just transfer of power from one group to another. You will never see any results with your dumb utopian thinking. Really wish I would kill you right now If you were for real.

>rightful
>fascist rule
Hahahahahaha

>ctrl-f Evola
>zero results
Come on I thought this board was flooded with /pol/

most

The thought that someone seriously might have a pet theory about Plato being a "socialist" is funny

Don't ask why I have this saved, thanks.

nice

I would love for this ugly whore to gag on my cock

You're right. He's a collectivist.

would impregnate

I can't believe the perfect woman has a forehead swastika tattoo. I think its been since removed though.

>I included Thomas Jefferson, Ayn Rand, and Adam Smith since I knew it would rile some lefty troll
Joke's on you; I was only pretending to be retarded.
>they really do champion individual freedoms and dignity unlike the rest.
Jefferson was a slave owner. "Individual freedoms" from capitalist apologia has always been a subterfuge for freedom of the bourgeoisie. Why do you think it was the case that originally only white gentlemen could vote? Jefferson's thought is just rejection of the right of nobility to exercise political control. Liberalism is just a project to realign political realities with economic ones. Jefferson's "agrarianism" requires slavery given the apparent rise of industrial manufacture during the period the Jefferson was active in political philosophy. Either he was too short-sighted to predict industrialization and subsequent urbanization, or he was of the opinion that we could maintain a classical sort of slave society (which in and of itself would not have held against trends toward industrial capital). Political liberalism is a bit cheapened when you know that one of its most notable proponents was frequently raping his slaves.
>Ayn Rand and Nietzche are similar thinkers.
Just get off my board already.