So is Socialism just a meme? Would it work for American today? What books did you read to support your claim?

So is Socialism just a meme? Would it work for American today? What books did you read to support your claim?

Why do you care?

>would it work in America today
Hell no. People here are so directly opposed to such an idea that it'd be bound to fail

Then why do they let corporate entities do it?

>/pol/

>lefty/pol/

It could work in America but we'd have to convert NATO from a babysitting club moneysink to a modern Delian League
Every man a king.

Do what? Promote socialism?

Become socialist.

Because in a free society you're allowed to be a socialist as a private entity, you just can't impose it on others

They willingly become state-owned?

>Would it work for American today?
no

empire has co-opted and sold the cool and easy aspects of socialism to the masses in the form of you know what

any 'proper' remnants of leftism is perceived as old, weak and stodgy in our era of total brand loyalty. kids don't want that shit. dead as dillinger!

Corporations do impose their politics on other private entities.

They go multinational.

I don't get it. How is that socialism?

I can't tell if this is what he's on about. But for a capitalist, oligarchy is the fucking best just look at Warren Buffett

example?

It's not, that poster is retarded.

I'm a capitalist and I disagree. What's best is competition and a competitive market.

I see.

actual competition requires a level playing field, capitalism can't do that

Free trade and free markets is the closest you can come to a level playing field.

Government granting benefits to certain businesses and making it harder for others is not 'a level playing field'.

thats the best if youre a good person and a capitalist

This is a literature board asshole. Just because you tag "books" after your driving question doesn't mean this should be posted here.

Go to pol, post these, and learn the real consequence of trying to pose this question to a goddamn image board

Governments moving capital around is what makes capitalist systems go and acts as an incentive for competition, user.

I like to think I'm a good person. I mean, who would hate me? Me, of all people?!

Now that's just nonsense, user. What creates an incentive for businesses to act is profits, and what creates an incentive for ordinary people to act is the fact that under a capitalist system, if you want something, you have to provide something else for someone else. It's forced altruist, as opposed to socialism which is just force.

Absolutely not, socialism only works in hard working countries that are fiercely nationalistic. Modern America is full of all sorts of welfare rats and trust fund kiddies who hate America.

It wouldn’t work, there is a fundamental paranoia deeply embedded in America politics which precludes any possibility of socialism. It could only happen in a future where the American Union breaks apart, probably triggered by neo-confederacy, and there isn’t a second civil war to reunify the country. The south would become a white ethnostate, and maybe Washington or somewhere becomes actually socialist as all the states break apart from the federal government.


Side thing; if the south did try to cede again, I think they’d be successful at it. Separation is still pretty popular there, and it seems like young folks in the North wouldn’t be falling over themselves to die to keep the south as part of the country. Every time some shitty story comes out of there it just makes me think that keeping the south is more trouble than it’s worth.


As far as Why Socialism? The mere fact of automation makes it obvious to me that it’s going to happen. I’m astonished when people actually say things like ‘in 70 years the economy is going to make most people redundant’, like are you kidding me? That’s the most backwards thing I’ve ever heard. The purpose of economy is the distribution of resources, at the end of the day people work to live, we don’t live to work. The idea of human value has become so synonymous with being able to produce value for capitalists, and that’s going to need to be decoupled if the US isn’t going to become a third world country. Basically, it’s socialism or barbarism, and I don’t think one is necessarily more likely than the other at this point. Either we are going to end up with a highly automated economy where a very small number of people who own the means of production benefit, a slightly larger section of people who are highly technical workers maintain the system and live good lives, and then the overwhelming majority of humans will just live on the margins in slums, in a basically pre-industrial society. As things evolve the American ruling class won’t see it as making sense that money is spent on public education or healthcare, and both will be gradually phased out. Already conservative papers have editorials asking “are TOO many people literate?” Companies will look after their skilled technical workers, and resist being taxed to pay for other people’s healthcare. America companies will more and more just get their technical staff from Europe, India, China, Japan etc. Fewer and fewer people will be able to afford going to American universities who aren’t the children of rich foreigners. Not having access to affordable education, or low wage work, the majority of people’s living conditions will get worse and worse.

Either that or some sort of Ubi is implemented, and the benefits of automation are distributed to benefit all of society. I’m just not sure Americans can accept that people who “don’t deserve it” will also benefit.