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>tfw excommunicated
There's a Latin Mass down the road, but I don't show up to Mass since it's not the same without communion.
I was thinking the other day, with flu season, about the sign of Peace and whether it builds immunity or passes infection. I suppose some places suspend it where it passes infection, or might do, but the handshake worked into the Mass builds a sense of community not just immunity and I'd keep that above the readings or music.

I was a devout Catholic probably until I was 18, but then I came out as gay and felt completely rejected by the church and my community. Is there any place for me there still? Do I have to be celibate for the rest of my life?

I'm not an atheist, but it's pretty clear that most people under 40 who go to church are LARPing faggots, just do your own thing mang

Catholic Church might change its view on homosex within our lifetime.

how'd you get excommunicated?

How do I go to mass if I've never been? What if I stumble into the wrong area or get lost in some catacombs? Can I just walk up and go inside?

thinking about returning but haven't done it yet

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>tfw can't believe

Am I just deficient somehow?

You can get recommunicated tho can't you

Bait, if not definitely be celibate, that shit destroys you both spiritually and physically.

Are you American?

yes

I'm refusing penance in a doctrinal argument. I'm a traditionalist, so I was annoying about it. If I go to confess, I can receive communion the next day, but I think instead I'm going to let God sort us out.
Well, I might not be able to go the next day because I'm sure I'd get some strange penance.
Live in sin like everyone else. This formed part of my argument with the Church because intentional sin where you only think about doing the bad thing is supposed to be worse than the act, just as the intention to go to Mass is a higher virtue than the act of going, and a minor virtue and the sin of turning away combined would make a worse appeasement to God than intending to go and getting the time wrong
Sit in the back rows and watch what other people do with standing up and kneeling and sitting down. Pick up the leaflet with the readings and parish news. Don't line up for communion: You cannot take it until you've been baptised and confessed and done penance for your transgressions.

The way America was built results in it being anti-spiritual. Luckily the Catholic churches have avoided Walmart tier designs, but they are still nowhere near the beauty of European monastaries and domes. If you travel abroad visit these old places, big and small. I can't say I've felt the presence of God, but I have felt very spiritual in them. I have never fet like that in an American church. Although I haven't been to many. And I'm sure there are a few nice ones. However technology may have dampened the sense that we use to feel religious extacy. Hence American Protestants doing all kinds of Christ Rock trash with hands in the air to replicate these feelings. Don't worry though, not feeling is not a reason you can't believe, maybe feeling will come after believing in your case.

My university has a large Catholic student organization, and they have a specific subset dedicated to LGBT ministry.
The position given by the university church priest is that the LGBT parishioners are accepted as they are, but the subject is never addressed directly and everyone just ignores it for the most part.
The official Catholic position clearly would demand celibacy for life, though.

Lol that is such trash, having no requirements for those people is doing them and the church wrong. Ignoring the issue will make it worse. I bet there are some faggots who flaunt it too the fucks.

If you're still trying out new churches, try going to a Byzantine Catholic church just for the change of pace.
It's in full communion with Rome and falls under papal jurisdiction, but in practice it is much older and very similar to the Orthodox. If you're in a large city, you should be able to find plenty of Eastern Rite churches to choose from.

Been a fairly devout Catholic my whole life, though I've never really engaged with my Parish too much -- mostly just stand in back and listen, though I've thought about joining some sort of Bible study/men's group. We just never really interacted too much with other families in my parish growing up so it wasn't part of my experience. (It was also just a fairly subdued community, not that there's anything wrong with that.) Is it worth doing? I'd imagine it heavily depends on who comprises the group.

Yeah, that's one of the major reasons I stopped going. I realize it's an extremely uncomfortable issue, but watering down doctrine and ignoring scripture to make yourself comfortable won't lead anywhere good.
The "mass" they offer is also very protestant feeling and the willingness to be inclusive over true definitely shines through in how they speak and act.
I met one guy hoping to attend a seminary there who was fairly conservative and chose to go anyway just to get a better feel for ministry, but most other people there were cultural Catholics looking for a social club.

>The official Catholic position clearly would demand celibacy for life, though.
That's to be a good Catholic. That also includes never lying or thinking bad thoughts as part of the standard.

The Light of the World interview was pretty clearly a major shift in the not talking about it, but the Pope saying that a diseased rentboy should of course use condoms because that is a minimal step towards being in God's Good Grace underlined that most people view it as a "not hurting anybody" thing as much as sex before marriage.

There's some hardcore right Americans (and in other places to a less reported extent) who think it's always bad, but as a trad Catholic, a lot of their positions are stupid even for V2ers. Take the birth control in US colleges incidents: Some of those refused had medical conditions that required hormonal treatment and that is explicitly allowed since 1968 (i.e. ALL non-traditionalists and most traditionalists in good standing). Not giving them medicine is as excommunicable as being Stalin since Humanae Vitae for them.

If you want to really annoy and perplex those political "Catholics" ask them about whether St Aquinas should have been allowed procure the abortion and Holy Orders.

Going to mass after Vatican II is literally the same as going to a renaissance fair. LARPers not welcome here.

>Going to mass after Vatican II is literally the same as going to a renaissance fair.
Trad here. Kindly fuck off with your false analogy.

Are you positive this isn't just a byproduct of the fact that it's a university parish vs. LGBT ministry specifically? I've been bothered by just about every university parish I've visited, as many do seem to take the "Protestant-feeling" route and are pretty heavy on inclusivity/vague positivity in an effort to avoid turning people away.

Wasn't Aquinas's position on abortion fairly ambiguous? Genuinely curious; memory + cursory Googling seem to back up my interpretation that Aquinas argued for ensoulment at 40/80 days but never established that pre-ensoulment abortion was tolerable, but I feel like you've done a little more reading on the subject.

>Wasn't Aquinas's position on abortion fairly ambiguous?
Aquinas's position on those who procured abortion after that time period is unambiguous: They cannot receive Holy Orders. Whether they can or can goes through a lot of back and forth during the time period (as do a lot of the issues Summa Theologica covers), but I've always found it amusing it basically only bans men from abortion. Aquinas is part of a long thread of arguments for whether early or late term abortion is different, and they only combined the two around 1917, if my memory serves.
When the soul forms is part of a broader argument (going back to Origen who also goes back and forth from being accepted) and Aquinas was trying to work out a period that would keep a couple different cardinals and future popes with opposite opinions happy. The ban on priesthood just makes me happy.
Like the Jesuits' ban on becoming medical doctors and so they all set up pharmacies.

Just stop being gay dude

lmao no

fuck off liberal

>inb4 someone mentions nuns can't have abortions
Aquinas' position's doubly sexist, because the time period is less for a male foetus and more for a female foetus. I think it's something like if you help kill a female foetus after three months, then you can never be a priest, but before that, it's almost at diocesan discretion.

Aquinas didn't have as full of an understanding of fetal development as we do today. I think it would be fairly uncontroversial to say that Aquinas thought that human life was a basic good and thus should always be treated as an end in and of itself, and never as a means to some other lesser good. Holding that principle to be true, if Aquinas had knowledge of modern science regarding fetal development, he would surely not allow abortions, except when the mother's life is in danger. (See: Body-Self Dualism, Robert P. George)