How the FUCK is the greatest writer in human history a conservative?!?!! Ughhhh...

Hey, he deserves some credit. For a conservative that's a lot thinking.

I think who you're replying to is a leftist and I don't think 4 lines qualifies you for credit IMO

tbqh I think leftists make much better musicians/actors/playwrights, in fact name me a great left-wing novelist

Tbh it is not that simple though, Dostoevsky did expose a lot of the horrors that the working-class went through as well as the hypocrisy of the upper-class. He mocked 19th century attitudes to women.

Tolstoy and Blake were both christian, they both were very left-wing

>stories are neither believable nor human
t. faggot that has never lived life

It's actually pretty simple if you look at his ideology and not try and cherry pick examples to make it look more complex than it really is

>the 20th century's greatest poet was right-wing
>the 20th century's greatest novelist was right-wing
>the 20th century's greatest philosopher was right-wing
>the 20th century's greatest political figure was right-wing

Are conservatives just better at culture than us?

>you can stop yourself from replying to the bait
>but you can't stop the board from doing it

*tips fedora*

every post on Veeky Forums is bait

Yes.

Leftist "art" is just pathetic.

It's kind of embarrassing really. Dostoyevsky, Lovecraft, Tolkien, T.S Eliot, W.B Yeats, Pound. Truly overrepresented among the greats. It's really depressing to think how much we've missed out on because those on the right typically choose things like having a steady successful career, a family that loves them, and parents who are both around in their lives and proud of them

Yeah, but he was a mixture of both left and right. On one hand he defended the Jews, on the other he hated the living shit out of the Turks. He wanted social equality, but hated socialism and wanted the idea of a ‘great and unified state’. His literature explored social problems found throughout society.

I just find putting him on a arbitrary point in the spectrum over-simplistic for a lot of his thoughts.

>the 20th century's greatest philosopher was right-wing
Whomst you talking about?

Ah yes. I too have lived in 20th century Russia.

Probably the greatest "conservative" writer I suppose, but far from the greatest in history. Hell, but the standards of his time I don't think he was really conservative though. He's merely religious.

Wasn't he sentenced to execution because of conspiring with rebels against the Tsars? Wasn't that the whole purpose of his exile? That'd make him rather liberal in terms of Russian politics. So would his general empathy for the disenfranchised.

Heidegger obviously

I'm not really putting him on a spectrum though. I'm not necessarily trying to put him on a left-right spectrum. His ideology was fundamentally conservative, which morons *ahem* try to obfuscate

God, I hate Veeky Forums’s culture of appropriating anything millennial to the left. I know that abstract art comes from a rebellion against tradition, left-wing and centrist thought allowing its growth, but Veeky Forums strawmans the entire left ideology to some made up strawmen in their head. It is like me saying that anything from the 19th century is automatically “right-wing”. Veeky Forums can spout out streotypical uneducated garbage sometimes. Anyone who thinks that Tumblr and teenage hipster-girls is a product of the “””””left”””””, forgets how co-operate these things are - this comes partially with the mixing of ‘liberal’ and ‘left’. Veeky Forums bases everything with retarded association in their heads, to the point where they think a company like Starbucks has anything to do with the left. Left wing art is art that explores social-problems through a left-wing outlook, snapchat and instagram has nothing to do with the left.

TL/DR you don’t know shit about the left, and you lump everything you don’t like about today’s culture to it.

Veeky Forums isn't one person

>Dude, I know abstract art is from the left, and I don't actually have an issue with this post, but let me go on this massive irrelevant rant
It's okay user, I read it all

Stop trying to force people into your retarded political spectrum.

Yeah there is a trend
I am just angry at seeing this over and over, so I just wanted a excuse to rant about it.

>Lovecraft
>a steady successful career

Yeah, that's exactly my point lol. People on the right *typically* chose a steady successful career. We need more mentally deranged & irrevocably fucked up right wingers so they can produce great literature, given how overrepresented they are among the elite relative to how many go into the field. Who knows, maybe the next Lovecraft is shitposting on Veeky Forums at this very moment?

>greatest writer
He is pure psychological masturbation. He isn't even close to the prose of Tolstoi who is a perfectionist. Tolstoi doesn't miss a single detail in the sceneries that he depicts

This. In fact I think he was closer to be a left winger. Right wingers don't give a shit about the poor and Dostoevsky obviously cared about them.

SeeI'm merely saying his ideology was conservative, which it objectively was.

buuuuuut since it's be brought through no fault of my own he was on the right

>people who describe any artwork or fiction as "masturbation"

What the fuck does this even mean? Worse than a shit eating analogy. Just say you don't like it. Writing a novel is not analogous to stroking your cock regardless of the content of what you write.

He literally defended the Czar you retard

Joyce, Nabokov, Kafka, Blake, Milton all left leaning, Whitman, Emerson and Melville too. You have no ground to stand on and have to rely on Pound, Elliot, WH Lewis to feel in good company. The greatest authors of all time, most of whom I’ve already named were Socialists or Liberals. The arts are a liberal pursuit, for those free of spirit, not bound by hoary institutes or decrepit dogma. Eat a bullet

>The arts are a liberal pursuit
This. Why would arts be called liberal arts if they weren't leftist?

Well obviously it's a liberal pursuit. As I pointed out you have to be extremely fucked up or a moron( i.e. "passionate") to go into the arts. Conservatives typically go into fields where they can guarantee food on the table for their kids, their parents being proud of them, etc.

They are extremely overrepresented among the greats
>The arts are a liberal pursuit, for those free of spirit, not bound by hoary institutes or decrepit dogma. Eat a bullet
You sound like you need a hug friend, remember to not get so upset over a conversation. I'm not pushing any personal issues in your life on your political views :)

Conservatives can make propaganda, but only liberals can make art.

OP is an idiot for trying to compare modern (probably American) politics of legal weed, Chy-nah, and food stamp limitations with an era of mass starvation and turmoil in Russia where the political landscape wasn't even similar enough that what he thinks of as "libtards" and "conservatives" existed.

However these contrarian cunts who came out of the woodwork to trash talk Dostoevsky just because he's appreciated around here are just as bad.

OP was talking about Conservatism as a philosophy, nothing more

OP thinks you're a moron

What does this even mean?

Overrepresented how?

I know far more leftie artists than conservatives in spite of roughly 50% of the pop being conserv or centrist.

Not at all.
The sort of "maturity" one can expect from an average Dostoevsky fan. No wonder he attracts mainly dumb frogposters from r9k.

what's up with all the conservative bashing in this thread? Half of it is whining over Dost being a "hurr durr Christian propagandist" -- in the 19th FUCKING CENTURY -- and the other half is bashing some ill-defined political conservatism when that's not what OP was even talking about.

next they'll say that Tchaikovsky was a bigot for promoting gender roles in the Nutcracker.

>Why would arts be called liberal arts if they weren't leftist?
I'm not sure whether to laugh or scream in rage...

Tchaikovsky was a soy abuser.
>muh pwetty mewodies, muh womanticism
pure firetrucker garbage

You know that pretty much everywhere other than in America liberals are considered right wing, right?

Replying to the same post twice? huh? You fucking retard?

Both were conservatives as well.

>there are at least 10 /pol/ threads on Veeky Forums at any given time
These mods/janitors need to kill themselves

who is "us"?

By /pol/ do you mean political in nature? Because if not this isn't a /pol/ thread

If you really believe that and you've read Crime and Punishment (you prolly haven't) then you either

A) Have never met an extremely intellectually arrogant person

B) You are an extremely intellectually arrogant person and are totally unaware of it

>/pol/ thread = any thread in which people are disagreeing over politics
God forbid.

The political compass is just I II II |_ at this point

By /pol/ threads I mean threads trying to shill right wing ideologies in a left wing board

>left wing board

That isn't Shakespeare?

You fucking retards, the term liberal arts has nothing to do with contemporary politics. It's liberal as in opposed of being a slave, not as in opposed of being a conservative.

T H I S

It is leftist art, you dumbass.

I think they were joking, friend.

The left only cares about the poor as long as they stay poor and they get to tell them what to do. As soon as they start thinking for themselves and actually decide to improve their lives instead of being dependant on benefits, the left starts to hate them.

>durr liberal arts isn’t liberal
of course not, no one said that you mongrel!
didn’t read what I said, didn’t do follow up research. don’t understand at all the connection between ‘free spirits’ and liberty, liberal social values, liberality of mind and openness. get off this board now

>The arts are a liberal pursuit, for those free of spirit, not bound by hoary institutes or decrepit dogma
Yeah, that's why no socialist country has never censored any books like Cancer Ward, The Gulag Archipelago, Master & Margarita...

Oh, wait.

I have read C&P but I was mainly referring to brothers K and the idiot. Dosto should have just written essays instead of fiction, he is an insightful person who chose a suboptimal way to convey his ideas.

The "great moralizing infant" Dosto? Wouldn't you rather have an actual discussion about lit? How bored must you be to post this culture war baiting crap?

haha yeah, fuck you and your fucking morals!!!

>State Socialist authoritarians are the same thing as Social Liberals, Libertines, Bohemians, Democratic Socialist utopians, Christian Socialists
/pol/ doesn’t send its best nor its brightest

>hurr durr ackchyually liberal arts aren't liberal
>hurr durr ackchyually you can totally be a conservative and a liberal at the same time
I think you're the retarded one.
There's no such thing as conservative art or a conservative artist. It's an oxymoron. Conservatives can't be artists because art is all about going fordward and conservatives want to keep everything as it is, right? So even if someone is a conservative, if he were to make art his art would be liberal anyway. If someone really tried to make conservative art then it wouldn't be art but propaganda.

>implying all those pepe memes aren't conservative art

You can criticize tradition and forge your own path without making far too minimalist and abstract garbage.

Look at all the social democrats and misc. people on the left today who want to ban anything and everything that offends them.

Yeah, they all want the same thing.

wow

underage spotted

This.

Great arguments.

>free speech is hate speech!

will you go back to your boards now?

...

I'm loving this thread. Veeky Forums is slowly turning into a left wing board as it should be. LMAO at all these right wingers getting BTFO.

DESTROY THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE
EAT MY HEMORRHOID ASS ARMCHAIR CHRISTIAN TOLSTOY

I’ve decided to read NO WHITE MEN for 2018. TIME to give POC a chance!!!! So to start the year off I’m reading Crime and Punishment

a true avant garde piece

this entire thread
i finally understand

screencap me

If leftists were good at anything, they'd stop being leftists.

What

Dostoyevsky was unironically a non-transitioned trans woman. That's something that his right wing fans and /pol/tards seldom like to talk about though.

>great art has anything at all to do with 'left wing' 'right wing' stance of the author

This. Think for example about Yeats or Neruda. Both were very political persons yet they art was beyond politics. Great art is always apolitical.

leftist censorship at work again
no board other than /pol/ has any political affiliation. go fuck yourself.

This thread is fucking garbage.
Art is about what it means to be human. It examines the human condition, it creates commentary on the world and it's people (and NOT in a political way). Art is about the beauty in our existence. Fuck off with your "hurr durr conservatives make propaganda and liberals make art" bullshit. Any art that is political is propaganda.

Best post ITT

Dostoevsky isn't even a *good* writer.

>Wasn't he sentenced to execution because of conspiring with rebels against the Tsars? Wasn't that the whole purpose of his exile? That'd make him rather liberal in terms of Russian politics. So would his general empathy for the disenfranchised.
Yes, but he repented of this and viewed it as a youthful folly later on, i.e. namely in his great works.

in fairness, there's a degree of skepticism regarding the validity of his charge, and anyone who's read Notes from Underground can clearly see he has contempt for Russian humanitarianism. The question is whether this viewed developed in prison, either as a defensive posture or in reaction to living in close quarters with rebels, or if it developed after his release when he saw the plight of societal nihilism that the humanitarian movement had brought about.

All the greatest philosophers from here on out will be right-wing because they will have been inspired by Nietzsche.

Every writer before the 1960s would be deemed a 'conservative' by today standards.

And every contemporary writter will be considered a conservative in 50 years. The future is leftist.