Is homesteading on a small farm or cabin the ultimate philosophical redpill to the problems of modernity or a vain self...

>it's not this simple

Of course not,it takes time to gather resources and land,learn survivalist skills,find the woman ,adapt and so on..

>this will not fix your problems

Yes it will. Living in the woods with a family you created,away from all the garbage pushed for the goyim, growning your own food, raising your children and teaching them YOUR values(not the ones pushed by the media),seeing them grown and learn ,having a healthy relationship with your woman, among other things. This lifestyle although hard to put in practice will lead to a life of great fullfilment and meaning that you cannot achieve in Western civilization these days.

I live in rural Japan with my wife and our family, plus her family. We have a farm (several actually, plus a few houses) and are slowly taking over the village as the old-timers move away into retirement homes. We get the properties and houses essentially for free, just taxes, because their kids don't want them.

We mostly rely on woofters to help out during the harvest season. Theoretically we could be self-sufficient, but it isn't worth the effort and expense because of the economy of scale, so we just keep a reasonable level of maintainence and add little improvements here and there. We just finished out solar system, for example. If there was ever another disaster and food distribution was interrupted, we could kick some things into gear and have a steady supply of food. (Preparedness is pretty common in rural parts of the country.)

We don't make our living farming, because I already own an international school in a nearby city that brings home the bacon and then some. (Plus her family is wealthy.) My kids attend (or will attend) my school. We're Christian and it's a Christian school, so it's basically homeschooling I guess, although that doesn't exist here at all. I'm just thankful I'm the boss and my school doesn't follow the insane work ethic here so I actually have time for a family.

The limited farming that we do is mostly just a hobby, and basically just feeds my wife's parents and her little brother fresh vegetables, and helps keep them in shape. Japanese are obsessed with fitness, and grandpa and grandma are getting on in years.

Overall, life is pretty comfy. Modern life doesn't really intrude that much out here, even though the commute is pretty short. My wife is much younger than me and looks up to me, and feminism is unheard of here, so it's easy to keep her in line. The kids don't have to deal with the negative side of the education system, and get to hang out with other hafu and gaijin. People here are naturally conservative. All in all there isn't anything I'd change.

no such thing as a "peak" with heavily subjective normativity

It isn't a redpill you faggot, it is an answer to one

Yes, but you also need religion.

This

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nice larp

Running away makes things worse.

The point of homesteading is to be self sufficient so you can fight the establishment without worrying of being fired or have your accounts frozen, can't buy food, or house yourself, etc.

Only if you don't have to pay debts

I believe adventure and staying as an alien with people living a traditional life is even better. Go herd reindeer with Evenk or learn botany from the Mbuti pygmies, assuming there are any left

>the leftist tourist approach

I chuckled. Are you still a tourist if you write about it? Or will people see through that facade?

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ISHYGDDT, basically western elites vampirizing traditional societies to revitalize themselves and come back to push the system even harder
youtube.com/watch?v=_NVsyMalJXo

even worse desu, it's a step beyond the 'look at me backpacking through nepal like a true adventurer, here i'm looking out over the mountains at dusk and here i'm taking a cheeky group selfie with a band of grinning swarthy street urchins' instagram pictures

They go extinct when they aren't talked about. Their home ends up destoryed to manufacture Sony televisions or to plant oil palm, these two things are happening to those two people's right now.
International researchers, leftist tourists and advocacy groups are they only thing that keeps native communities alive in the neoliberal age where corporate lawyers, international banks and corrupt officials have all the authority

And you think some scarfed white boi with a patchy three day beard and a manbun is going to save traditional societies by making a youtube docu hoping that leonardo dicaprio retweets it?

it's just delaying the inevitable. might as well get it over with.

Naw that's backpacking. I'm talking about living in an isolated indigenous community, no roads for miles, need a armed escort to get travel safely to your destination, kind of adventure. Writing scholarly work and researching the world you are living in.
Not to say that there isn't some good travel literature, right now I'm reading In Siberia by thurbon. It's pretty good desu.

Oh fuck off, cynical cunt.

that's way, way worse even. the last thing indigenous people need is having their last few authentic moments of existence ruined by some needy westerner who wants to do a few weeks of time with them so that he can go brag back home that he went native.

leave them alone.

Might as well just saturation bomb the whole planet right now, huh?

are you saying my position is unrealistic and that 20 something western guys will actually save traditional indigenous life by creating media about them?

the global techno-commercial hive doesn't care about arguments at all, you might as well fight a tidal wave or try to argue with a herd of stampeding wildebeests. the power of the individual to make a difference does well in hollywood stories but in reality trends sweeping through the entire species will not be stopped because some worker ant has an opinion.

>International researchers, leftist tourists and advocacy groups are they only thing that keeps native communities alive
if by alive you mean they turn into a touristic resort owned by the same people who own the Sony factory where some rich fucks pay a ton of money to feel like they have a connection with something they didn't build, i guess it keeps them "alive"

at least the factory is honest and straightforward in its destruction

if you're a primitivist, perhaps.

some people think it's great that tribal people get access to smartphones and healthcare.

You have no idea what you are talking about

This additude is why every thing is fucked .
Easy to talk like that when you aren't the one losing everything you have. Although it does seem like you already lost your will. Don't underestimate the power of a community, they are far more resilient than corporations and states.
You are the one legitimizing unjust authority, and the blame lies on you.

i'm not legitimising anything, just stating how things actually go.

communities that don't embrace new technology get outcompeted by ones that do. that's how it always goes.

read up on what happened to the noble savages when one tribe got traded a few rifles or even a metal axe. things like this are a force of nature, not something a community can stand up to.

there is no historical example of a community succesfully resisting 'progress'.

ipcst.org/tribesalive/more-information/history-of-the-xingu/
What? They aren't disappearing because of technology, they are disappearing because their home is being destoryed. These people already know about the outside world, they have antibiotics and steel.
Don't tell me, babies first anarchy was the Unabomber manifesto.

their home is being destroyed because of technology.

also, people who want to have their cake and eat it too by living in their magical jungle but reaping the drugs and steel created in the destroyed homelands of other peoples can get fucked.

I'm an ecologist you faggot, I am a kindered spirit.
>Technology is destroying their home.
No, it's domination. The technology scapegoat is the most reductive bullshit. I remember when I was 12, I'm sure you will understand one day.

Domination is a necessity created by continual population growth and desire for more resources created by agriculture and the industrial revolution that followed from it.

Non-sendentist don't get to the technological type of society where this level of domination is possible. And the technology of these civilisations is so enticing and offers so many benefits that traditional peoples can't resist and adopting those technologies changes everything.

To quote your buddy:

>“The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.”

― Theodore J. Kaczynski, Industrial Society and Its Future:

vengeance of abel on cain when?

That pic and that kaczynski quote is basically A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court in a nutshell.

Hiearchy is what makes domination possible, of course technology can make domination easier, that's what technology does, make things easier. What allows for their domination is the legal protection of their home being destoryed. Yeah, technology makes roads possible. Hiearchies are what is building those roads and signing the easements
>traditional peoples can't resist and adopting those technologies changes everything
But they can and do. Hence why they are still traditional people.
Ted is a hack

Technology makes powerful weapons possible. The more powerful your weapon the fewer people you need to win a war. The fewer people you need to win a war the less peaceful consent you need to garner. That's why that image of the tribesman is so fucked up. That's why you should read your Twain.

>Hiearchy is what makes domination possible, of course technology can make domination easier, that's what technology does, make things easier. What allows for their domination is the legal protection of their home being destoryed. Yeah, technology makes roads possible. Hiearchies are what is building those roads and signing the easements

Fixed hierarchy is the result of agrilcultural technology, you know this right? Distinct social classes and elaborate division of labour only happens with settled peoples who create a surplus so that dedication to tasks other than food gathering because possible. And it's only when people have become dependent on agriculture that you can coerce them by the control of those resources. That's literally how civilisation came about.

>But they can and do. Hence why they are still traditional people.
They aren't, any post-contact peoples are no longer really traditional. And even the uncontacted ones only remain so for now.

You have to be extremely romantic and delusional to think that a few little protests and a little propaganda victory in National Geographic is going to reverse the tide for them.

You don't even need to force someone to become completely alienated from his traditional way of life. All you need to do is hand him a bottle of liquor, or these days a smartphone.

>is being a farmer like your goblin ancestors the good thing
yes it is, for YOU

I'm worried what will happen to Varg and his six children when he stops receiving NEETbucks...?

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Fixed hierarchy is the result of agrilcultural technology, you know this right? Distinct social classes and elaborate division of labour only happens with settled peoples who create a surplus so that dedication to tasks other than food gathering because possible. And it's only when people have become dependent on agriculture that you can coerce them by the control of those resources. That's literally how civilisation came about.

Except it's not. There are non agricultural nomadic societies that had hierarchy, and there are agricultural societies that didn't have civilisation.

BTFO

france's government probably pays you if you have more than 2 kids, varg probably gets a scary amount with 6 kids and 1 more on the way

i believe his autistic wife has rich parents

you don't get a farmhouse with land, larpy vehicles and a sweet camo collection all while maintaining a huge family just on neetbux. varg's lifestyle is at least middle to upper middle class.

and what do you think is gonna happen to your children once they find out the outside world is drastically different and more interesting than your boring ass mud hut in some forest? I really wonder how Varg is gonna deal with his children's adolescence and maturity. Something similar happened to my mom, her father was just like Varg, a hardcore "traditional man" who distanced his family from society. She ended up struggling and suffering in the outside world her whole life, despised him and cursed him on his deathbed.

But is technology causing the war? does technology rally people to kill each other?
NO!
>Read Twain
Sure
>That image is so fucked up
You think? Please, I've seen footage. The Congo civil wars made this conversation affordable. They weren't started by guns, they were started by international intervention on behalf of corporations and the military-information technology complex.
I study this shit man. Technology doesn't do anything on it's own.
Have fun
ejatlas.org

>Except it's not. There are non agricultural nomadic societies that had hierarchy
Sure, some to some degree, and those tend to be pastoral and not foragers, but not the real stratification that you get with like the Indian caste system for example.

>and there are agricultural societies that didn't have civilisation.
That doesn't mean agriculture isn't a prerequisite for civilisation.

>BTFO
Almost as embarrassing as /threading your own post.

land in the middle of nowhere is cheap though

>But is technology causing the war? does technology rally people to kill each other?
Yes, because technology is what leads to the kind of growth that leads to the levels of scarcity that trigger conflict because acquiring the necessary resources becomes a zero sum game at that point.

I don't know about France but generally people on welfare aren't allowed to be homeowners because owning a home means you have a net worth high enough to not be eligible for welfare.

>boring ass
ebonics out

>All you need to do is hand him a bottle of liquor, or these days a smartphone.
Rampant alcoholism comes after they have lost everything, in every one of the numerous cases I have ever heard of at least. It is a product of despair
>Fixed hierarchy is the result of agrilcultural technology, you know this right? Distinct social classes and elaborate division of labour only happens with settled peoples who create a surplus so that dedication to tasks other than food gathering because possible. And it's only when people have become dependent on agriculture that you can coerce them by the control of those resources. That's literally how civilisation came about.
This is bullshit
>You have to be extremely romantic and delusional to think that a few little protests and a little propaganda victory in National Geographic is going to reverse the tide for them
>Them
I do it for myself. I am more than I sympathizer, I am a commrad.
I put the blame on people like you who do nothing. The entire system runs on consent, even in the most brutal dictatorships.

Im pretty sure varg rents. He has unique circumstances and has acquired wealth and fame through Burzum and youtube

Literally the premise for the movie captain fantastic. Good moobie

>Sure, some to some degree, and those tend to be pastoral and not foragers, but not the real stratification that you get with like the Indian caste system for example.
Still a hierarchy.
>That doesn't mean agriculture isn't a prerequisite for civilisation.
Most cultures that had and used agriculture weren't civilised. They still lived in tribal groups. Civilisation is rare in all of human history.

Yeah but there is no such thing as civilization without agriculture. Not all rectangles are squares but all squares are rectangles.
Technology in the hands of humans will always exacerbate wars.

>Still a hierarchy.
Technically you might call the respect primitive hunter-gatherer bands have for the elders a hierarchy if you want but that's still very different from having a ruling class, a clergy and a standing military.

The things you are complaining about are all the result of civilisation infringing on your noble savages and the reason civilisation can do this and /must/ do this is because of their level of technology.

I realise you're a professional hippie and personally invested in the idea that the little guy can protest themselves into conservation but there is no real reason to believe this.

Join the Hive, user. The net is closing for the savages.