Céline's vocal support for the Axis powers during the Second World War and his authorship of antisemitic pamphlets has...

>Céline's vocal support for the Axis powers during the Second World War and his authorship of antisemitic pamphlets has complicated his legacy as cultural icon.
Despite his obvious influence, like Heidegger or Pound there has been an effort of exclusion or revision in light of their political affiliation. Is the problem that people now are to divorced from any understanding of the 30s and pre-war opinion? I feel as though it should be obvious that pre-war fascist sympathy is a lot different from post-war understanding, and that it actually makes them more of a useful figure for understanding the former sentiment

The French aren't touchey wimps who put political correctness ahead of quality like Anglos constantly do. They have a lot less Jews than the US and UK which helps

You really have no idea what you're talking about. They have some of the strictest and most aggressively enforced hate speech laws in the Western world and, coincidentally I'm sure, the third largest population of Jews on the planet.

Still only a fraction of the Jews in the US and laws have little to do with this, it's a question of readership.
In the Anglo world they tell everyone you have to read The Handmaidens Tale because this is what nu-Liberalism demands and people do it. Europeans have more respect for the canon

Yeah look at what (((they))) did to Celine, who is a great example bc he was actually original unlike Camus who merely imitated Celine's style.

Anyone remember the part of Bagatelles pour un Massacre where he says he'll probably be killed by a falling pot from a rooftop or something. That book is hilarious.
>Still only a fraction of the Jews in the US
Maybe that's your problem. You're getting invaded while based Stephen Miller has us on lockdown.

I study this and yeah it's bad, real fucking bad. The problem is that the very thing interwar figures were trying to say, which was a critique of liberalism and modernity, obviously lost the culture war, and liberalism then became so hegemonic that it couldn't even dimly see the possibility of critiques of liberalism anymore.

>there has been an effort of exclusion or revision
not in France
enjoy your shit country

Things are reversing, MAGA was the big watershed moment where liberals are now on serious damage control trying to keep their grip on everything
Its going to be an uphill struggle but the truth will win out

MAGA was a big watershed moment where a complete fucking moron managed to ride the reactionary wave of people even stupider than he is. I had no idea there were so many fucking idiots and the fact we share political values completely disillusioned me. It's embarassing for the right as a whole, and will only cause a hard swing left, he's a fucking joke

>Celine
>Obvious influence
lol
>there has been an effort of exclusion or revision in light of their political affiliation.
Please be bait. You know that Heidegger is one of the most if not most discussed in contemporary European academia right? And European academia is far more leftist than America's.
Maga is liberalism and modernity as well, you little r*ddit child.

Hot fucking take, you're definitely smarter than Trump and the idiots who voted for him. If only we had a great leftist solution to our current problems, since those always seem to work out.
Maybe you'll even try to pack the courts again like you're god FDR

>contemporary European academia
>calling that shitshow academia
lol

> you're definitely smarter than Trump and the idiots who voted for him
I am, that's really not saying much either.
>If only we had a great leftist solution to our current problems, since those always seem to work out. Maybe you'll even try to pack the courts again like you're god FDR
This is funny, did you read my comment? It was the plight of the right wing you complete fucking moron. What an incredibly low level of discourse, you didn't even comprehend the post, and instead saw something anti trump and responded with a vague, canned attack on some leftist strawman. How did you get here? Do you read? It really doesn't seem like it

Do you look for contention? OP certainly wasn't claiming a lack of influence for Heidegger, in fact that's what the post was based on, and Celine did have an influence on French modernists and beat writers, undoubtedly

That only makes you sound even dumber, if at all possible. For the first time in decades actual right wing positions are entering the mainstream and you're bitching about how a generally moderate republican is going to make the country swing left. What a joke.

>Maga is liberalism and modernity as well, you little r*ddit child.

Obviously but it pulled back the curtain on how feeble and useless Liberal information systems are against a small amount of pressure.
They went from "we control the definition of truth" in the Obama years to being a national joke

>post about prostitution practices in Weimar Berlin
no wonder they welcomed the nazis, what a shit hole that was.

>For the first time in decades actual right wing positions are entering the mainstream
That is due to new digital media platforms and reactionism to a perhaps disproportionate presentation of far left views. Legacy media like Fox has provided mainstream neocon representation for quite a while as well, and despite actually being a generally moderate Republican, Trump has caused a ridiculous reaction, atleast on the West Coast people think he is a complete racist and even facist, I'm not kidding, and next election cycle will swing left.
For me it isn't about his positions, that should have been obvious from the outset, the whole point is how stupid he is, and if you can't immediately figure that out within minutes of hearing him speak than you're stupider than he is. It's embarassing

>perhaps disproportionate
Fucking kek, the left owns the lower schools, the universities, most of the legacy media, and 99% of the entertainment industries.
>rump has caused a ridiculous reaction, atleast on the West Coast people think he is a complete racist and even facist,
They thought that before the election and nothing would get him their votes.
>the whole point is how stupid he is, and if you can't immediately figure that out within minutes of hearing him speak t
He got an ivy league degree back when that actually meant something, meanwhile you can't figure out that it doesn't matter how California sees him. kek

He's not stupid though. He's un-civil for sure, but people like that about him and it was one of the reasons he got elected in the first place.

>He's not stupid though.
Listen to man talk, his incompetence astounds me everytime

This isn't about Trump you stupid redditor and it isn't about a measely election cycle. Its about the Jewish post-War narrative of liberal enlightenment coming to a sharp end

That's an affected accent man, it's extremely obvious. He's a very good actor, and very smart, which is how he got elected. The problem is he doesn't believe in anything on a deep level and so he flip flopped to whatever was easier for him.

He's not the most articulate, but look at how good he is at manipulating his opponents to get exactly what he wants. Americans don't want a 'civil' president anymore anyway, according to the polls it's actually the right move to NOT be Politically Correct anymore.

He has already accomplished a ton regarding immigration and securing the border, the only people who think otherwise are the pessimistic 'blackpillers' who don't actually follow policy or what's happening at all. He's definitely not a neocon. What Trump has accomplished in the face of a homogeneous political establishment and media is nothing short of revolutionary.

Wrong he's just doing symbolic escalation, playing the same old push and pull game. Everytime he wants to get something done, a few deregulatory measures have to pass, and then he gets what he wants.

>a complete fucking moron
>still BTFO the entire earth
so what is it? is he just the luckiest guy on the planet? How

lol I hope this is bait. I honestly don't feel like correcting every moron who says that Trump is an idiot. but let's look at the facts
>Billionaire real estate developer who made his fortune in New York (cut throat Jew capital of the world)
>successful marketer who headed a popular reality tv-show for several years
>able to transcend media bias since he's been manipulating tabloids since his 80s fame

I hope everybody keeps underestimating him, because he will keep winning.

Hey (nu)/pol/, thanks for ruining this board you complete fucking idiots

Suck my asshole you little bitch

hey fellow centipede xd good to see another high energy magapede here keeping it real. Keep triggering those cucks, shadilay!

Blackpill brigade out in full force again

Maybe the world doesn't want to be beholden to a guy whose favourite book is the guinness world records book. He fired Bannon because he wanted to go after the rich. Congrats you've got another neocon puppet in the white house but its ok because he said some mean things about women or some shit I don't even know. I guess folding on every single promise was 75th dimensional chess

>Blackpill brigade
You're so fucking /pol/ pigeon holed, just go back

Literally nobody gave a shit about Trump in this thread until you started having a hissy fit about how mad he makes you. Isn't there somewhere on reddit or Huffingtonpost you could vent your salt instead
Christ I hate leftists

He's the complete fucking opposite of a neocon. It was amusing to watch the pundits turn from awe to shock as we transitioned from the very limited strike in Syria to the MOAB getting dropped in Afghanistan: they cheered for Syria because they're all Jews or married to Jews, but when stuff didn't escalate there any further, and then went right back to escalating elsewhere, they began to realize, perhaps only unconsciously, that this isn't neoconservatism. Trump has a record number of generals in his cabinet, and probably the highest number of total ex-military in cabinet plus advisory since about the 80s. This is why we're seeing a genuine pivot to Asia, since the military has had relatively straightforward plans about what it has wanted to do there since at least MacArthur.

You guys don't follow or understand real politics at all, you don't follow what's happening in DC, and yet you want to spout your pessimistic fatalistic blackpill everywhere. You go back to /pol/ you belong among the idiots there.

Genuinely good post

Three quarters of this thread got derailed by people talking about that faggot you mystery meat mulatto.
>Christ I hate leftists
whats the bet you don't even know who Celine is? By the way the "American right" is by all historical standards liberalism with a dash of crony capitalism and some mealy mouthed bullshit about families spoken by Baptist pederast senators
>Trump has a record number of generals in his cabinet, and probably the highest number of total ex-military in cabinet plus advisory since about the 80s. This is why we're seeing a genuine pivot to Asia, since the military has had relatively straightforward plans about what it has wanted to do there since at least MacArthur.
Yeah I'm not really keen on American war, period. Still gotta make a buck somehow right?

>its another obsessed europoor

You entered a thread on a yuropoor writer and got mad people were shitting on the laughing stock of the world not me pal. Just go back to r/thedonald things will get easier for you Jose

Fuck you're stupid, why do you keep bringing up a memepill stance unironically, and then vaguely allude millitary cabinets... dude we know, and you're not really saying anything, just bring this to a different board, no one is even talking about OP

Mods you have permission to delete this thread, I expected more from Veeky Forums but I should've known better.

I'm genuinely sorry for your loss. It was a good try though OP

I entered the thread of a writer who had interesting original thoughts and a healthy curiosity about America. Not some crying child who lives to be in the shadow of another nation.

>why do you keep bringing up a memepill stance unironically, and then vaguely allude millitary cabinets... dude we know
What is this person attempting to communicate

>Not some crying child who lives to be in the shadow of another nation.
If only you knew how little you matter

I clearly matter a lot to you. you fucking nut job

Unironically what are (you) trying to communicate I'm not sure who that question was directed to or what level of sarcasm or irony was implied

>I guess folding on every single
promise was 75th dimensional chess

It literally is chess. Everytime Trump wants to get something done, a few deregulatory measures have to pass, and then he gets what he wants. You can see this by mapping Executive Orders and cases alongside concessions to Trump. Look at the way he's handled the Travel Ban and Syria. Trump's plan of maximum pressure is even working on the North Koreans since China wants to keep their buffer state so they have a vested interest in trying to talk Kim Jong Un back from wherever he is. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump succeeded in getting a nuclear free Korean peninsula.

He hasnt folded on immigration, he hasn't folded on border security, he hasn't folded on trade and domestic policy and he hasn't folded on foreign policy.

The neocons represented an attempt to subordinate the military to a certain narrow political tendency cobbled together by Jewish Troskyites who had all sorts of ridiculous schemes about how we could use American "unipolarity" and "full-spectrum military dominance" to rewrite the geopolitical map. The CIA was on-board with all of this because they're generally a bunch of morons.

Trump is clearly not a neocon however and the fundamental geopolitical situation has not changed and Trump is still open to friendship with the Russians. The unthaw hasn't been significantly derailed because the limited intervention in Syria hasn't changed our overall strategic objective, and destabilizing Iran is not a priority for the military at the moment either and everyone who thought so is off the National Safety Council. The DHS, DoD, and the NSC are now all run by generals.

Asia is infinitely more important geopolitically than the Middle East as long as the petroleum keeps flowing (and terrorist groups that stage attacks against Americans keep getting put in the ground). The plan with Asia is to make the whole area an American sphere of influence because it's a massive place filled with people who work hard with minimal complaining, and we already have a large Navy. Had things gone MacArthur's way, communism probably would have been almost totally destroyed by like the late 50s.

Meant to link to this post

The 'blackpillers' are the fatalistic ones always going on about how America is ruined, Trump is a stooge, and we should just roll over and do nothing. They're important to counter because 1. They're wrong and 2. Anything can happen in the future and you shouldnt put too much stock in your predictions, and also the situation for the political Right in the America actually looks promising for the first time in a very long time.

>tfw Céline is one of my favorites but becomes a meme more and more everyday

>politicians have never changed their way of speaking to match their electorate or voter base
Non-american here, so from an outsiders perspective, I've noticed democrats try to always use elevated speech and mix in pop culture references into it (See Hillary's "Pokemon Go to the voting booth") so that it reflects with the mass in blue states filled with people who are typically in the education system for longer and follow pop culture trends.
Alternatively, in the Republicans, there seems to be a split. You have some like Ted Cruz who try to speak to the older generation of conservatives. And then you have Trump who obviously doesn't speak like that normally, we know this because we have interviews of him from 30 years ago, we know how he speaks.
But now he has changed it to so it's more attractive to the lower class.
Who would've guessed. Champagne Socialists are the main block of Democrat voters, and the actual working class are voting for the republicans.

Have you read Celine? He's objectionable in way more ways than just his anti-semitism, he was an avowed misogynist, he hated patriotism and pretty much any pro-social sentiment. He basically hated people and found life to be disgusting and humiliating. I don't think he was a fascist really, I think any real fascist would burn his books without a second thought.

Also -- it's so ridiculous that there are people who still think that the only way to critique liberalism is through reactionary/conservative/fascist discourse. All the most interesting critiques of (neo)liberalism are coming from the Left, point blank.

trump has literally no ideological substance, he has been completely manipulated from the beginning

Liberals aren't left-wing.
Ivy leagues have never been menaingful.

>Liberals aren't left-wing.
I wish our universities were full of liberals, but they aren't.

Not an argument