What are some anti-capitalist, but non communist books out there? Or even better...

What are some anti-capitalist, but non communist books out there? Or even better, without any alternative agenda if that's possible

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Pretty much any economics book tackles the issues of contemporary society while trying to state it is for the system and tries to improve it theoretically.

Books like this are

The Wealth of Nations
Progress and Poverty
The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money

if you look into the early days of the workers movement, there were a lot of strains which weren't communist, anarchism being the biggest one that still exists today. the question is of course what "anti capitalist" means, since there are many movements that are critical of capitalism yet don't want to entirely negate it.

I'm not OP, but when they said "noncommunist" I think they were hinting at anticapitalist movements that aren't leftist or radically progressive.

>What are some anti-capitalist, but non communist books out there?
When you think OP is asking for Mein Kampf

>Or even better, without any alternative agenda if that's possible
And then realize maybe not

Without an “agenda” is a naive ask as all lit on capitalism either supports or asks for an alternative, but here’s the best I can do

Nonfiction:
Shock doctrine
Zinn’s peoples History
Capitalism a ghost story
Homage to Catalonia

Fiction
Exit west
The jungle
Animal farm

I hate capitalism, but for the love of god, I can't stand those goddamn blue haired trannies and whiny brown bitches. The left's solution to capitalism bows down to placing those freaks on a pedestal and surrendering to their every whim, and I can't do that, I won't do that.

What you need, my friend, is 3 acres and a cow.

>If you have any problems with capitalism then you're literally Hitler
Either a proselytizing /pol/ack or a mad libertarian

Okay, this covers food and sex, but what about his other needs?

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Its politics mate; i get ya, but I think the smart leftists (the ones concerned with labor and the environment) just see those freaks as easy support for a political coalition that needs to take place before any real change can happen.

Those freaks would be the first to go in a post-capitalist system. Can you imagine anarcosyndicalism with them? Or a technocratic socialism or retro communism a la cccp or Cuba or North Korea or Maoist China? Hell no.

>hate capitalism
>hate socialism
so, nazism?

Distributism!

tribalism

Why do you hate capitalism? Is there a more efficient way to allocate scarce resources than with price?

I didn't say I hate capitalism, I am suspicious of it and I don't like the kind of community produces. All I want is to broaden, deepen or dispel my current thoughts on the subject

Not OP, but it's pretty obvious that in its current format, capitalism gives rise to enormous class differences. It's insane just to think about how much more wealthy the top 1% are compared to most of us. You need money to make money, you can't make money if you have none.
I like most European approaches, where the wealthy are much more taxed than the middle class.

Nazism is just a different capitalism, the dickheads paid Hugo Boss to make their uniforms

Why is it a problem that some people have more money than others? I'm sure that we could agree that some people deserve more than others; that a doctor deserves more than a fry cook, but why doesn't this same principle apply when thinking of classes?

Some people are better at creating wealth than others. I think there's also an assumption buried down in here that the wealthy are just hoarding gold in their vaults. These vast fortunes are being invested in more wealth creation which come in the form of research and innovation or new jobs which benefits everybody. The people that have lots of money usually have that money because they're really good at deciding what is worth investing in. In other words they're more efficient at allocating money.

Contrast this with when the government allocates money. They generally decide based on what will get them reelected or what makes them look good, so we end up with the government wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars on solar roadway funding which are scientifically, and thus economically unfeasible. It's a complete waste of resources.

You seem to be imagining some sort of world which is inhabited by secular immortal humans.

You missed my point entirely.

I don't have a problem with people having more money than me. But I do have a problem with a system that increasingly reduces the chances of you making the same kind of money the rich do, no matter how hard you try.

Taxing the ultra rich in order to give a fighting chance to underprivileged that can't even study or treat their health problems without being severely handicapped for a major part of their life does not sound bad to me. Specially when those ultra rich have as much wealth as the rest of their country combined.

Just like communism only works until you run out of other people's money, Capitalism always looks good until you remove every once of dignity from everyone.

I get that you hate them but let the do what they want, they aren't going to force you to convert to some kind of monster and study interpretive dance(which is actually a pretty cool thing to study)
Besides placing them on a pedestal is really what they are doing by themselves. The liberals and corporate media give them most of your attention to distract from the serious objectives of the libertarian left.

To be fair, how hard you try shouldn't be a factor in wealth, but how smart you try. IQ correlates with wealth to such an extent that it'd be more profitable to be born intelligent than rich, so I'd say capitalism is the best system we currently have from that standpoint.

There's no point in education for the poor as they're more than likely unintelligent and so it is wasted on them, but either way education is already offered for all so it's not an actual issue.

The real horror of capitalism is how it makes a parody of every value, every ounce of meaning, and couples intelligence, distrust and cunning. That is to say, capitalism is the perfect system for human nature, and to despise it is to reject humanity itself.

I have a few clarifying questions. How is the system reducing the chances of anyone entering the market and creating wealth and how is taxing the rich going to increase the ability or ease of people entering the market? The problem is that the more you tax the rich, the less money they have to invest in wealth creation. This is less money that can be loaned to people just entering the market with a new product or idea. Increasing taxes would result in the exact opposite of what you intend it to do.

integralism

>that a doctor deserves more than a fry cook
What makes you think this besides already-conceived notions of the prestige of these fields of work? You could argue that the fry cook provides more value than the doctor. They provide the means for people to survive at all (food), while the doctor just helps people live a little longer.

absolute idealism

Poor = low iq
Got it.

What I do know is that I'd rather be born rich than smart.

In my view, taxing the rich is just saying taxing who most benefits from the system.
I'm not talking about companies, I'm talking about people who own them.
You can't simply say that a good teacher, good education etc, is worth much less to a country as a whole than a guy that owns a megacorp and puts billions on offshore banks. This is stupid.

The position of doctor a very specialized and requires years of intense training. That alone makes it more valuable than a fry cook which can be performed by anyone with a pulse.

>why is inequality a problem
because the other people will eat you and hate you and eventually you will push them too far
>lots of stupid shit that misses the point

I don't see how you talking about taxing groups of people with money - corporations - is any different than talking about taxing individuals with money. The end result is the same; less money is available for investment. Even money that sits in banks are doing good for the economy because those banks invest that money while you're not using it.

If the goal is to make it easy for poor people to enter the market and become wealthy then we should pursue policies towards that end rather than making everybody poorer through taxation. Poor people don't pay our salaries and poor people don't have the capital to invest in risky ventures that may or may not pay off.

>Poor people don't pay our salaries
Where do you think the rich people get their money to pay our salaries with?

I have to say Mein Kampf was my first too desu. But actually nazis were capitalist as fuck

First thought*

The Communist Manifesto

Fuck off commie, those 1% worked their assess off to make that money.

rerum novarum

good post

People generally have money because of the products and services they exchange for money. The people that have large amounts of wealth have it because they're good at efficiently allocating it through investments. Those are the people that pay our salaries.

>those 1% worked their assess off to make that money.
Haha nice one

thats very nationalistic of you to not consider yourself in the top 1% (you are)

>Work your ass off to develop a new business concept == work mildly using an inheritance to build upon a rent-seeking establishment

>be born rich
>have elite education, networking, opportunities and upbringing
>work their asses off
heh

t..this is satire right?

I've seen socialist on this board who actually act like that.

>t. redneck retard

I was actually talking about the retarded idea that the 1% "worked their ass off" but okay

>they aren't going to force you to convert to some kind of monster

Their whole schtick is getting you to convert through social pressure and struggle sessions.

Why is it a retarded idea that rich people work hard? There are various studies out there that say higher earners tend to work longer hours. They're not digging ditches and serving fast food which is hard work but doesn't mean they're not working hard. What truly matters is the value of their work. Creating a new product and stirring a demand for it is more valuable than the generic physical labor that goes into making it and this is reflected in the prices paid to each party.

>"they have a certain skillset which is worth ten thousand times more than a normal person's skillset"

Yes. Some people are worth that much more than others in terms of the goods and services they offer. A person with the specific skillset that enables him to take control a multi-billion dollar company that provides valuable goods and services to wide ranges of people and not only maintain the status quo, but grow that company, deserves as much as people are willing to pay him which is usually in the millions.

but what if the blind pursuit of capital maximisation for its own sake its actually destroying everything and creating a pointless and absurd world ultimately based on speculation, fairy dust, and a military industrial war machine that could fuck up and kill us any moment now? That's what I don't get about capitalists, the naive moralistic protestant outlook in which the market is personified as a benevolent god figure which never fails to reward 'hard work'(whatever that means).

What if aliens attack earth? I don't know man. You're going to have to tell me how you believe capitalism is destroying everything if you want a serious answer. I don't know what the "blind pursuit of capital maximization" is supposed to mean let alone how it could destroy anything.

so Jeff Bezos earning 50 times more than all of NASA scientists combined is totally reasonable

I don't get to decide what he's worth. The investors who risked their entire fortunes for decade while Amazon failed to turn a profit until Jeff came around get to decide what he's worth to them.

>Undestand

most economical books, a system based on infinite growth is not sustainable on a planet with very limited resources
automation also plays a big part in this growth where as jobs go byebye because the companies need the profit to compete

this guy gets it

>the serious objectives of the libertarian left.
such as normalising and sexualising children amirite?
> Sexual Revolution and Children
>How the Left Took Things Too Far
>Germany's left has its own tales of abuse. One of the goals of the German 1968 movement was the sexual liberation of children. For some, this meant overcoming all sexual inhibitions, creating a climate in which even pedophilia was considered progressive

spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

This guy gets it, kind of. I mean it is sustainable, but there are aspects of it that aren't.

We need to eat, that's basically what economics is.

Woah. Are you trying to tell me that a group of people whose goal is to subvert social norms and taboos is subverting a social taboo?

Animal farm is about the Russian revolution and stalinism. Not sure that's what OP is after but it's a decent read.

Can someone explain how The Stranger is seen as existentialists/absurdist. Is it not obvious that is about morality way more than metaphysics.

Veeky Forums doesn't allow threads within threads.

>he hasn't read miguel serrano
>he isn't aware of the true esoteric dimension of hitlerism and the black sun cultus

Gaddis says that he thinks Capitalism is the best system so far he just writes against its abuses

His outburst at the priest at the end.

the job of NASA 'scientists' is is but to decieve the masses about flat earth and the moon landing hoax. After the revolution, they will be shot like the pigs they are, and also elon musk, skul and bones roundearth cultists al of them, we the people had enough of their lies

excellent post

Its about time people start calling them out.

inb4 butthurt redditors. The truth will always cause fear.

youtu.be/EdrBeBwHenk

look into this guy. he's essentially a mutualist, kind of like Proudhon.

Joseph Conrad's The Secret Agent and Heart of Darkness.

>2018
>Not criticizing progressism as a political project to hurdle the masses into orbit around capital
>Not using proper arguments like our dearest meme philosopher instead of 'muh m00n landins'

themigrationperiod.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/nicklandlureofvoid.pdf

>Ctrl+F Ruskin
>no results
smdh

JR?

gibs

...Money?

t. Trump

Also why is he/are they so fat?

Access to really nice foods and enough money to bang whoever.

found the moron

It's supposed to imply that's the Jewish accent he's talking with, I think.

> they aren't going to force you to convert to some kind of monster

yes, they are

triggered 3rd or 4th generation immigrant stooges detected

Development as freedom - Amartya Sen

disclaimer - I haven't read it. I read a book who quoted it often, but it seems to be just what you want.

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What is it with all the Jeff Bezos hate? I don't know anything about other than him being the CEO of Amazon.

Strasser.

Green Anarchists are resolutely against both capitalism and leftism of all kinds so you could try John Zerzan. Their philosophy is a dead end though, so I can't recommend it.

Zinn is a filthy communist who revised history as he saw fit to suit his agenda. Kys

sorry i cant take degenerates like this seriously

The whole point is that animal farm eventually degenerated into the exact same system of the other farms, those other farms being symbols of ordinary capitalist society. So the evil into which they fell was capitalism, and that is what is critiqued. The revolutionary hopes of the animals (against capitalism) in the beginning are valid.

So economic illiteracy from th other end of the spectrum?

It’s all statism in the end that cannot I to economics.

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>makes it harder to get into the market

Wrong.

thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land