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I don't get it. People often complain about how difficult it's to read Ulysses, complain about their complexity and the way in which the author writes; All the people who told me that they have read the novel never finished it. They say that one ends up feeling like an ignorant idiot for all the references he doesn't understand. I've heard people say «Read Ulysses isn't to entertain or pass the time», I've heard people say that they don't enjoy the book, that hates the author, that is an excessively vulgar and grotesque book, but despite all this... they keep reading it.
That's the point i want to reach, why? Why is Ulysses worth reading? What does one win at the end, when does it end?

It's fun af to read. Treat a book like a friend instead of someone trying to intimidate you to death.

I dunno, I liked the first half but the second half got tedious.
- chapter structured like a play
- chapter structured like a catechism
- etc.
I also didn't really care about the Stephen Dedalus character, which made it more tedious as it got toward the end.

Most people that like it will like it because of its contributions to literature, and how it references and plays with other works. Most people that aren't extremely into literature will only read it for the sake of feeling superior. If you've read a lot I assume it will seem clever and make you smile with all the things you'll pick up from it. For me I find it worth reading because the few things I do understand make me smile or bewilder me with entertaining new forms of prose I haven't seen before.

This is a great book on Ulysses and a fine argument for it being a book for everyone and not just erudite literati who can get all the obscure references.

Ulysses was maybe the fourth of fifth piece of literature I had read, and not knowing any of the supposed hurdles or tediums I was 'in for', I happened to enjoy the whole thing cover to cover. It's a slice of life, its meant to evoke a time and place with great colour and richness, and it does so perfectly. Reading Ulysses is like stepping into 1905 (or whatever the year exact was) Dublin, simulating a time and place that no longer exists. That's why its so fun and entertaining to me. Steven is something of a charicature of Joyce himself as an "overly intellectual" young man who doesn't fit in with his society. Bloom is the kindhearted cosmopolitan (his sexual perversions merely make him all the more human) who doesn't fit in with his society. In both cases I feel sympathetic to them. At any rate, its just a enjoyable book. Not too much more or less.

It takes multiple reads, user.

It certainly rewards multiple reads (like Joseph Campbell declaring he's read it 50 times and still enjoys it) but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy it on the first run.

There's many levels to its pleasure. Two of the levels for me were language and subjectivity.

If you've ever been snowboarding there's this unique sensation of gliding you get at high speeds. I get a similar feeling from poetry and Joyce's prose. He would spend an entire day ordering the words of a sentence.

I'm reading east of eden right now, where most of the descriptions are character's words, facial reactions, a word, objective. The story is crammed into the Cain and Abel template, a Frankenstein of storytelling. With Joyce, he's Stenographer of the mind. Psychological nature recorded. As he put it, it's "bald".

Reminds me of what Jung said of Ulysses:

"What is so staggering about Ulysses is the fact that behind a thousand veils nothing lies hidden; that it turns neither toward the mind nor toward the world, but, as cold as the moon looking on from cosmic space, allows the drama of growth, being, and decay to pursue its course."

plainly they're full of shit. ulysses is an entertaining novel that isn't that hard to read if you're not being a dramatic little fairy about it.

i always think to my grandmother who read almost nothing but pulp mysteries, jane austen, and james joyce. she was no scholar, she never went to post-secondary.

just read the words on the page and stop crying.

Yes, it's a hard idea to convey, the lack of contrivance or construction in Joyce... jung of course, very insightful but like most Germans famously opaque.

The deepening of the mystery is the proper function of a true artist, after all.
>isn't that hard to read if you're not being a dramatic little fairy about it.


Masochism is a perversion.
This book isn't for human beings but for modern critics, who are all perverts.

What's the all?

>There's many levels to its pleasure
This is what it was for me. Not only is the prose some of the best I've ever read, but the variety in styles while maintaining that prose is insane. It works as a novel about a day in the life of a guy in Dublin and as an Odyssey retelling. It manages to cram in allusions and references on every page without seeming pretentious (except during Stephen's parts, in which it's intentional and a pretty funny tongue in cheek take, especially during the Shakespeare discussion in the library). Also I didn't expect it to be so funny; the amount of fart/sex/genitalia jokes is surprising and works pretty well to keep it grounded. I will say one drawback was not being able to get "arse full of farts" out of my head but that's really more on me than anything else

He's just telling you not to put the pussy on a pedestal, and to just read it. I don't see anything wrong with this.

Modernism ruined literature. Ignore the pseuds that fell for a meme, it's (least to say) questionable whether Joyce was a good author or not. In my opinion, Ulysses is garbage - layers and layers of obscurity without that much actual substance.

Refresh me on the chapter that reads like a catechism.

I've never heard of Joyce spending entire days on a sentence, although I have heard of Flaubert doing so.

I didn't either, it amused me and I agree. Alas, syntax.

I don't know, "is said and done" perhaps?

No book is extremely difficult to read, besides the most difficult philosophers. Going through a physics textbook is always going to be more intellectually demanding than reading a piece of literature. However, that doesn't make literature inferior. Literature isn't about the difficulty, or complexity, and should not be, unless its complexity is in service of something. Ulysses is not good because it is difficult as compared to other literature, but because of its artistic achievement. Its difficulty is a result of its extreme maximalism, Joyce's incredible memory and his ability to fit in even the most miniscule details of his world onto thenpage. I hate the new fad of reading literature the way you try to unlock an achievement in a video game, adding the finished book to your little goodreads account like a little trophy to show off the world. Its a very empty and insecure sort of movement, in my opinion reflecting a sort of inferiority complex towards other subjects. "Oh I may not be good at math, but I have read X amount of difficult books, so that must mean that I'm smart right?"

>What does one win at the end?
Please stop thinking of books like this. Stop thinking them as means to unlock something, to add something to your personality, like literature is a means of stockpiling wisdom to make yourself a greater, more interesting, more intelligent person. Sure, this may be an unavoidable part of our innate will to read them, but try not to concentrate on this shallow aspect of literature, try to overcome it and to read for the sake of loving the artistry. What do you get at the end of Ulysses? Does it make you a better person? Does it enlighten you? Maybe not. But what you get while reading Ulysses is an incredible artistic experience, a heightened appreciation of the possibility of language, and a complete immersion into Joyce's Dublin, to an extent that you could never have imagined before. So the only thing that I would say I "got" from Ulysses, if you could call it that, would be the memories of reading it.

What this fine user said.

its very sad that you dont grasp that is simple and plain propaganda.

and neither the people who keeps Reading it and making threads about it.


“I've been working hard on [Ulysses] all day," said Joyce.

Does that mean that you have written a great deal?" I said.

Two sentences," said Joyce.

I looked sideways but Joyce was not smiling. I thought of [French novelist Gustave] Flaubert. "You've been seeking the mot juste?" I said.

No," said Joyce. "I have the words already. What I am seeking is the perfect order of words in the sentence.”

joyce was such a fucking pseud lmao
self consciously writing his own biography before he even warranted one

unpleasant truths.

It's possible to be so intelligent as to sufficiently anticipate your art's posthumous appreciation and historical resilience

These fucking sheeple can't handle the red pill, amirite user?

That's something school falls short of, 'how' to read, The imaginative dialogue with the book. Reading is so flat when it's a race. I think every word of Joyce should be subvocalized for starters. Then visualized, then felt, then the meaning toyed with. All these aspects playing with each other.

he was intelligent but he was also a pseud LARPing a tortured genius

Books straight up kill appreciation of a lot of good literature by making it mandatory. Anything you feel compelled to do under threat of punishment tends to make a person resent the activity. I had to rediscover the fact that literature was even enjoyable many years later.

Presuming upon the inner lives of other people you never met with damning generalizations certainly is fun, isn't it user?

I meant to write "School" as the first word. Christ.

i suppose they just dont care. to the question, why people still buy the Beatles albums what is your answer?. its not about redpilling. its very simple, without a propaganda machinery these things would adjust themselves. what are your theory, that Joyce is still Reading because his pure talent?.

What is your source?

Yes, he is still reading because of his incredible talent at resisting death after undergoing extensive training in yogic disciplines that allowed him to ascend to the astral plane and work miracles upon his physical avatar. They say he still travels around Europe to this day, as an old man, hooded and cloaked.

and insecurity over dick size. That's why you see people rolling up don quixote and holding it to their crotch as they thrust into the air wondering why they're not having more fun.

He's a pseud because he took great care arranging some sentences and felt a sense of accomplishment from it?
This board is always stretching. You'll be able to fit a football in your ass soon, mate.

I was there

why do I laugh at the dumbest shit

is this irony or sarcasm?

I'm just making fun of his poor grammar.

If Ulysses is anything like Dubliners or Portrait, it will be incredibly fun to read. I love Joyces' early works, and am extremely excited for Ulysses. I feel like most of the people who find it incredibly hard to get through to the point of not being able to finish are only used to reading YA tier literature, or they are blinded by its reputation among millennial faggots for being really hard.

excellent post