What is Veeky Forums its opinion on radical environmentalist writing like the unabomber manifesto or the monkey wrench...

What is Veeky Forums its opinion on radical environmentalist writing like the unabomber manifesto or the monkey wrench gang?

Made the correct diagnosis but his solution was autism.

>DUDE THE WORLD IS FUCKED LEFTISTS ARE RUINING THE WORLD BUT INSTEAD OF FIGHTING BACK AND DEFEATING THEIR IDEAS JUST GO OFF THE GRID AND LIVE A SECLUDED LIFE IN THE WOODS

EVERYONE HAS A WEAK POWER PROCESS EXCEPT FOR ME

THERE ARE NO PAID PROTESTERS, ONLY WEAK POWER PROCESSISTS

The system is designed and purpose-built simply to crush human souls. The spiritual destruction of human lives is the product of the world. Always has been. Any pollution or mistreatment of animals is simply a byproduct of that process. Environmentalism is the epitome of misanthropy. The idea that humans should further suffer and starve and submit to their own decline and commit mass suicide is exactly what the elites have always preached. There is nothing radical about this ideology. It's the purest expression of establishment orthodoxy possible. Hop into the mass grave, kiddo, so that some flowers might grow. We're using non-toxic gas this time, boyo.

>AND WHEN THAT FAILS BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF SOME PEOPLE

yeah right, the solution is uncultured. Instead of using your fellow man to further your aims, you used violence against them. That really never solves anything. Guy was fucking insane.

He might have a point about the industrial revolution, but if you think about it he's a pussy. He couldn't handle that simple, easy to see flaw in economics and move on, he made that his life's goal to disrupt. Meanwhile everyone else at his intellectual level is walking around doing shit while fully aware of those problems. Makes them look like the badasses right?

Sometimes you gotta go with the flow a little bit my man. That solution was no bueno. Not what God wants you to do either.

How about you guys address his points on technology rather than his view of leftism and the power process, which americans inevitably failed to grasp anyways.

He criticizes conservatives just the same, my guy

It's another politicized retard who can't think further than buzzwords, don't pay attention to him.

...what? I fail to see how environmentalism asks of its adherents to die off but the rest of your post is exactly what Ted critiques.

The Holy Trinity of Evola Teddy K and Nick Land
Spirit
Nature
Technology

Spirit-nature : volk
Spirit-tech: techno gnosticism
tech-nature : eco eschatology

It's reads like the diary I kept in middle School. I think it appeals to misplaced angst. Bookchin or my current diary are better. Also research literature in ecology has more damning implications and philsophical insight for the cultured reader than their lamentations. Direct action is cool and so is caring. I've actually had environmentalists come up to me and complain when I was risking prosecution doing illegal perscribed burns on private/state property and culling trees, ect.
So has important as direct action is it's pointless if you don't know what you are talking about.
Also anthropocentric environmentalism is just fucking silly egotistical bullshit. I love the word environmentalism, I'm not talking about my environment, I'm not talking about wildlife, I'm talking about my life I share with everything else. Deep ecology is important.
ecology and expert knowledge are far more important for making an actual difference in protecting life.

>I live the word environmentalism
Loathe

How would enviromentalism even be possible in this current age. There are far to many people (and growing) to ever make it viable no matter how "green" the tech gets.

Ted’s manifesto is elegant, simple and strongly argued. His theory of displacement activities is half correct but clearly ignores the element of play that all human societies exhibit along with ritual and pleasure seeking. I think he was a “””misguided”””” person hahaha

There aren't too many people, we live our lives completely wrong.
Corporations and states bureacracies have destoryed community structure.
It is only possible by removing arbitrary legal conventions like private property that allow for hiearchial domination. There is nothing wrong with technology, we just use it completely wrong. If roads and damns were cleverly engineered they could foster and support biodiversity instead of being the scourge of connectivity. If agriculture wasn't centralized in corporate-state control it can be the same.
At the end of the day it's easy for me to imagine a better world. That will never come to be without tireless work. Working towards our ideals is the only way to change anything, nothing is going to happen over night because desire cant arbitrarily change the world. What important is to form our ideals, specifically rethink our ontological relationship to life itself, from there all we need to do is work. Work.

>at the end of the day
someone should shoot you in the back of the head

Please senpai, end my day

stop smoking weed every day

>It is only possible by removing arbitrary legal conventions like private property that allow for hiearchial domination. There is nothing wrong with technology, we just use it completely wrong. If roads and damns were cleverly engineered they could foster and support biodiversity instead of being the scourge of connectivity. If agriculture wasn't centralized in corporate-state control it can be the same.
you're so naive it kills me

Then die if that's all you want to say about it. Terrible contribution

dude what if we just got rid of hierarchy and private property and we just engineered everything right bro

Charles Manson is an elder god, towering above those three. hail manson!

>raped in jail every day
sure pal

I've grown tired of ideologies that are obviously impractical from the start. Things like antinatalism, anarcho-primitivism, all kinds of meme anarchism, libertarianism etc are just ideological posturing.

Why waste your time on the intricacies of a pipe dream?

you better be a liberal or paleocon or you're a massive hypocrite

>doesn't list communism
oh dear

Not everyone is a seppo and not everyone 'is' an official adherent of a specific political ideology.

Communism is a form of meme anarchism, just with a statist transition phase.

You don't understand. All you have done is restate what I said all stupid like while missing the points and making no real criticism. If you keep this up I'm not going to bother responding to you.
Property ownership is a legal convention that allows things to dominate what isn't actually in their possession. It allows for corporations and the state to have complete domination over most land. A Chinese corporation owns a million acres of agricultural land and makes all management decisions on profit maximization, the people who work the land and everything else that lives there is robbed of it's autonomy as a living agents. The soil is destoryed, nitrate fertilizers and many other horrible agricultural practices destory that ecological community. This is the way property ownership works IRL, don't call me niave I have seen horrible things happen like this for a very long tome. We have American corporations selling rivers to the three gorges damn company in brazil, displacing native people and killing much of what occupies that landscape. Property is theft to all who are deprived, and property is a free pass to murder whatever you want on your legal land. This is not the way life works, this is an arbitrary domination that serves no purpose other than to allow the powerful to unjustly exploit the world around them through legal fuckery. As far as what I said about engineering goes I am a professional researcher in landscape ecology with expertise, don't call me niave.

But Kaczynski isn't ideologically driven. His other writings address the shortcomings of 'ideological posturing'. The entirety of ISAIF touches upon the gross dishonesty among intellectual circles, academia and more generally ideological systems, to overlook the advance of technology and its implications. Ted's entire point revolves around critiquing every intellectuals' cowardice towards the inevitable, and how ignoring an historical trend only serves its purpose.

You sound like a smart guy who has a very single tracked mind (classic engineer) and is too focused on critiquing the awful cruelty of the system to realize his magical plan to fix it could lead to even more suffering and death. The modernist project has failed kiddo. You blame the world's problem's on massive economic structures that have simultaneously lifted millions out of poverty just as they have enslaved millions more to a life of shitty servitude. What I'm saying is you're making it out to be too simple, this idea that we can create a better world for "everyone" instead of just one's socio-economic group is fucking stupid.

Nick who? What books?

>But Kaczynski isn't ideologically driven.
He was just a recreational terrorist?

>liberalism and conservatism are American

Not the OP but you are naive in the sense that you think technological progress serves an ulterior motive, ultimately tied to the ideals of the enlightenment. Technological progress IS the motive, not bringing about more security/peace/food to its constituents.

Presenting them as the only options is certainly American. Even the British have socdems.

>he fell for the America has only two parties meme

>socdems
>practical
yes they're the only sensible options if you're going to trash "impractical" ideologies

It pretty much is. The third parties only exist to siphon votes so that one of the big two can barely eek out a win.

Actually I think technology progress is a PR meme from media controlled by industrialists and later corporations to justify the unethical use of technology. There isnt any thing about technology that is bad in and of itself, what is bad is arbitrary conventions that allow people to use technology to dominate and exploit the world around them. Such as the ownership of property and capital.

And that's why you're a dumbfuck tankie

I'm still waiting on an ecostalinism manifesto

Materialism cannot save the planet

deep ecology is inherently right wing

>Type a long and well thought out reply
>Lose it
Okay here the deal, I'm not an engineer in any sense of the word, I am an ecologist that has experience creating the starting conditions for life to engineer itself, in agriculture and along highways, you could call it land management or earth systems engineering, but it is ecology.
You're distracted by my radical views, ending property or engineering isnt really what I am getting at, it's just what I see has the practical things to do from the reference of what I am getting at. Which is that we need to recognize our true place in the world as a member of life and not as ourselves, and we need to work to make that life better.
Why ending property follows from this for me is that as I said life develops on it's own earlier when explaining that I am not an engineer, this applies to humans aswell. So we have conventions that allow for the hiearchial domination of life that are completely arbitrary, I think it is practical to not have that happen. So that's an ideal I strive for, but not the real message I am trying to convey. I want people to recognize what they are and work hard to make life better. What informs what that work should be follows from that recognition. I'm not about laying out a doctrine for others to follow. I just want to free life yo.

>Tankie
I'm not tho, marxist lennist commies have a long history of fucking people like be over.

Your mistake is that the Democrats and Republicans are not in the least political parties in the European sense. They're just nebulous associations in which there are a vast array of factions and ideologies with little expectation of conformity outside being Left/Right wing

As an adherent I disagree.
>Inb4 hidegger was a nazi

Ukrainians?

Liberterian

Haha yikes

You got a problem with liberty?
Also in case you are a confused cheeseburger I'm a liberterian socialist, which I hope is obvious.

>libertarian socialist
Unironically one of the funniest posts on Veeky Forums right now

>anarchoprimitivism

>...what? I fail to see how environmentalism asks of its adherents to die off
Have you actually read any environmentalist literature?

>but the rest of your post is exactly what Ted critiques.
Because his worldview is self-refuting. That's what I am pointing out.

You called?

>That's what I am pointing out.
I'm not him but you're "pointing it out" in a way that's so obtuse that it's not possible for me to understand you even if I try

>I want to free life
into the utopian trash it goes. LIFE IS SUFFERING my dude

btw I would rather we endure despotism, ignorance and suffering for eternity than live in some administered utopia run by self righteous fuckheads like you

>Life is suffering
As a life scientist I disagree.
Yeah me too, I thought I made that clear, like the sentence before I said free life. My entire political philsophy revolves around individuals acting by their own vocation as living agents. I'm especially critical of bureacracies state or private.

why do you disagree

That life is suffering?
That's just not what life is. That seems like a pretty anthropocentric concept of life and as a concept I'm pretty sure it isn't meant to refer to life itself but to one particular thing about the action of living.
Can you explain why life is suffering?
Life is a basically a phenomenon that makes meaning out of material.

We've been ripping up the floor board of our home for years to build an idiotic ladder to heaven. Ran out. Just started in on the beams. Ladder's quaking. Grab a couple more of those beams from the wall, can't hurt. Just a little further I bet.

one of the rare non-idiotic Veeky Forums posters.

Any given person has an infinite number of desires, and there is no way he can possibly fulfill them all.

based cat killer