Hemingway>Camus>what Vonnegut wishes he could be
Who else has a similar style to above, that is Hemingway/Camus tier?
Just read The Stranger and it's incredible. Sad af, but Meurseualt is one of the most respectable characters I've ever read
Sidenote: the absurdity of life is that we are born to die without a purpose and none of it matters...Just to make sure I didn't miss something
If you think you're ready, try Nausea by Sartre.
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post one good sentence that Hemingway wrote.
still waiting for that sentence
Are the prose difficult? Does it also have a minimalist style?
Well memed my friend
Read Celine.
>Well memed my friend
not a meme, frendo. I need convincing that Hemingway is a good writer.
Oh, I thought you were playing off of his saying--in times of writers block: just write one true sentence, the truest sentence you know.
“He remembered the time he had hooked one of a pair of marlin. The male fish always let the female fish feed first and the hooked fish, the female, made a wild, panic-stricken, despairing fight that soon exhausted her, and all the time the male had stayed with her, crossing the line and circling with her on the surface
He's a minimalist, so it's more about the associations built in the gestalt of the piece. Some of his works only make sense with age, tho. I couldn't understand The Sun also Rises at all the first time, because I didn't understand how he was using drinking
Ya, very true. How he writes female-male relationships is really where he shines! And letting the reader fill in the gaps he purposely leaves. Hills like white elephants is a great short
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>What Vonnegut wishes he could he be
Vonnegut wanted to be Mark Twain. His short style is meant to be a joke.
>Meurseualt is one of the most respectable characters
He's a grade A retard how gets himself executed by acting like an idiot
stop the vonnegut bashing
Yeah, that's really going to work.
1. Reddit likes him because he's easy to read. Tough luck with that one.
2. Socialist. The left hasn't been popular for years, good luck with that one too.
Vonnegut won't be allowed here until Trump really pisses people off and it becomes fashionable to hate the right again. Of Course that will require society to be less liberal again so that might never happen. So it goes.
>"Ay," he said aloud. There is no translation for this word and perhaps it is just a noise such as a man might make, involuntarily, feeling the nail go through his hands and into the wood.
>If people bring so much courage to this world the world has to kill them to break them, so of course it kills them. The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.
>‘The world is a fine place and worth fighting for and I hate very much to leave it.'
i've never even read vonnegut but the number of "so it goes" tattoos that exist make me hate him.
Someone help a brainlet out here. Why was A Farewell to Arms' writing style so bad? Unlike say, The Sun Also Rises, the writing felt unusually abrupt. It didn't come off as concise, powerful, and lean-- it was just unenjoyable.
I've never even been to Veeky Forums but the contrarian faggots that i've seen in screenshots make me hate everyone on the site.
Probably because it's one of his least autobiographical.
Nice trips. How? Dude he shot a guy 4x after he was already on the ground. The dude was always getting the rope
He's fine up until the end at which point his indignation at a system he doesn't understand makes him look immature and inexperienced (keeping in mind of course that it wasn't a kafkaesque labyrinthine trial). Kinda felt like this reflected badly on Camus as well, like he was completely oblivious about the way a judicial system works.
That's one of the best sentences in English literature
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Sartre is very accessible. Also unlike Camus he has a real philosophical system built on the western tradition.
>immature
>inexperienced
Dude, he just didn't care about any of it. The world is truly meaningless to Meurseualt. I know people like this in real life--though not as extreme, and he nails the character type
I distinctly remember him being quite upset in the end.
he was a spastic though
He got mad at the priest because he was annoying him with his persistent arrogance. Apart from that he was just fine desu
I thought the terse style works really well, actually. Maybe because it mirror's the harshness of the narrator's encounter with reality. And even though he appears to come from a wealthy family, he is not really pretentious, and perhaps the writing is meant to reinforce this theme.
>MY PUSSY TASTES LIKE PEPSI-COLA
The absolute poet.
Meuraault straight up didn't give a shit. His indignation wasn't directed at the system, it was directed at the guy trying to force meaning onto his meaningless situation. Whether he was cleared or condemned of charges, whether he lived or died, killed or spared the Arab, none of it mattered to meursault because he saw no meaning to be found in life. No objective, valuative meaning, I mean. Then at the very end a priest comes in and tries explaining to him that there's this widely known, strict interpretation of events and that he can only be saved/happy if he adheres to these rigid rituals and beliefs and he gets angry at the man's self assured view of the world. In meursailt's view the man isn't just asking him to accept his upcoming death, but also asking him to kill the one thing meursault still suggests: his mind, and to commit philosophical/intellectual suicide.
Camus is 10x the thinker and writer Sartre is. And he wasn't even a philosopher.
Exactly, This guy gets it. Like a 1984 level interrogation, except he is not forced to renounce his beliefs, Meurseualt is just consistently pestered until he unleashes a bit of rage on the pastor so he will go away.
user, why do you think Meurseualt shot the Arab more than once, when he was already on the ground?
eh. Mersault accepts his execution in the end because he thinks he was wrong to kill the Arab, even if nothing actually matters.
Tbh I have always found Camus guilty of the eating and having cake thing.
When does he ever say or imply he was wrong to kill the Arab? Like, ever
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> Les autres
aussi, on les condamnerait un jour. Lui aussi, on le condamnerait.
Qu'importait si, accusé de meurtre, il était exécuté pour n'avoir pas
pleuré à l'enterrement de sa mère ?
and then
, il me restait
à souhaiter qu'il y ait beaucoup de spectateurs le jour de mon exécution
et qu'ils m'accueillent avec des cris de haine.
He is dancing around some sort of justification of existence that has to do with revelling in the absurd or denying it in the face of death or somethign.
He is justifying the 'why's of his Mother having a boyfriend or the state executing him
I don't speak French, try again in English
I want to taste her pussy though . . .
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I can kind of see that. A lot of the book relied on structural/stylistic stuff to deliver its point (for instance, the stop-and-go nature of the "retreat" chapters). But I feel like he could've made the same point while using writing that felt better.
>The Stranger was incredible.
>Mersault was a good character.
Try candid Voltaire. It reveals in the aburd more than the philosophical, but makes same points and is pretty funny.
Self defense he flashed a knife at him.
Everyone knows a person can shrug off 2-3 bullets.
>aussi, on les condamnerait un jour. Lui aussi, on le condamnerait.
>Qu'importait si, accusé de meurtre, il était exécuté pour n'avoir pas
>pleuré à l'enterrement de sa mère ?
Highlighting the nature of the absurdity of life, justice, all objective Meaning. Meaursault is on trial for killing the Arab, yet he's condemned to death not for any murderous intent or even anything to do with the act itself, people are simply horrified at his not crying over the death of his mother. Surely such a monster as that should be condemned to death. There's also the subtextual implication of a Frenchman in French Occupied Maghreb being put on trial for killing a native, during colonial rule. Both of these are to be understood as absurd renditions of the world.
>, il me restait
>à souhaiter qu'il y ait beaucoup de spectateurs le jour de mon exécution
>et qu'ils m'accueillent avec des cris de haine.
We must imagine Sisyphus happy. Meaurault lived without reason and he knows he will die without reason. Better for him to accept the inherent lack of reason than agonize over it, this acceptance frees him from the "toil" of it and lets him truly enjoy life and avoid the Absurd.
Did you read Myth? It's an important second half to L'Etranger and really makes clear a lot of the themes he lays out in it.
>he's condemned to death not for any murderous intent
HE SHOT HIM 4X ON THE GROUND
Dude, you missed the whole innuendoed point. They thought he was a monster for not crying about his mom, bc the killing of the Arab was in cold blood, and in conjunction with not crying at his mom's funeral: He was a remourseless menace that didnt believe in God. There was no redeeming him: kill him. in a slow newsweek, that's great news.
No, I haven't read it. Is it an essay? I am the above poster by the way, and while I disagree on the first part of what you wrote, I agree with your second part.
Most of Hemingway's oeuvre and The Stranger is /highschool/core. How old are you?
23 desu
I didn't start reading the classics until a couple years ago. I used to mainly read non-fiction: history, politics, biographies.
And religion. I've read every major religions holy book except Islam's,. I havent read the Bible in its entirety
>Meurseualt
>he wasn't even a philosopher
Mate? You alright?
>conflating 'liberal' and 'left'
>being this American
>"he has a real philosophical system"
When you hear it you first feel it in your scrotum and it runs all the way up through your body.
god brainlet wojack has to be one of my favorite memes in ages.
>the left hasn't been popular for years
>except for Canada, and 90% of all European countries.
>Oh, and also a couple Asian countries too.
>neoliberalism is left