Anyone have opinions on Dutch vs. Norwegian (and by proxy, Swedish/Danish) literature...

Anyone have opinions on Dutch vs. Norwegian (and by proxy, Swedish/Danish) literature? Considering learning one of the two languages but I don't know which would be more enriching to learn.

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have you deliberately picked the two least literary countries in Western Europe?

I certainly will eventually, but it doesn't interest me as much right now. I guess I'm just on a Germanic kick at this point in life.

Nope. That doesn't sound too promising though, damn.

Dutch literature is trash.
It's full of itself and pretentious 2deep5u trash that postulates for the sake of postulating, these fucking saloon shits and muh literature teachers all swoon over form without substance so long as it has some thick oppression olympics drama or haha 'I've turned myself into a hedonist morty! Take that religion!'

I fucking hate the dutch literature 'scene' so god damn much.

None of this languages have good literature.
If you already can read in French, English and German, you might consider something like Russian, Italian or Spanish (or even Latin or Ancient Greek).

where is this gosh-darn house it is amazing.

also dutch language is horrific, dutch jenever is poison, and dutch politics are a crime against their people. also the dutch people in general remind me of freegan heroin addicts. but other than that they are okay i guess.

haha, this is true. it's like they don't know what to react against anymore so their artists just devolve into meaninglessness. between participating in eurovision contests i mean. pathetic desu.

Besides Ibsen and Hamsun there's not much on the part of Norwegian litterature, perhaps Knausgård if you are into that sort of thing

Dutch literature is a joke. It's bro-level self-flattery. So try Norwegian maybe.

Norwegian is almost 3 for 1.
And you get the advantage of not learning the ugliest fucking language on this planet.

There are some pretty great norwegian authors and poets, even contemporaries.
Dutch a shit, so i'd go for norwegian.

OHH.

the dutch scene is very lacking, but there's some decent stuff out there. de stille kracht by louis couperus, or anything by slauerhoff.
for some more recent stuff het leven is vurrukkulluk by remco campert, or dit zijn de namen by tommy wieringa are both pretty great.
harry mulish is an pretentious dickwad though.

>slauerhoff

Seconded.

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What is the greatest Danish literature?

Dutch literature has some okay stuff but I wouldnt say itd be worth it to learn the language for that reason.

Check out De Elementen by Mulisch, Een Vlucht Regenwulpen and De Stille Kracht.

Norwegian literature is second only to English and French.

I am interested in reading:

- Max Havelaar
- Beyond sleep
- Discovery of heaven

Which one should I go for?

Just read the Quran. That'll be more useful.

Pontoppidan.

isn't Knausgård basically Proust 2.0?

Norwegian here, this user is right . Besides, Norwegian is a very shallow language and have a way smaller vocabulary than for example English. It's rather boring actually.

That said, it doesnt take long to learn, so go ahead if you really want to, but dont expect a hidden treasure of language.

>Discovery of heaven
most overrated Dutch book of all time

read Nescio, user

Danish compared to Norwegian has much more literature behind it. Written Norwegian has only independently existed for about a hundred years.

Learning written Danish means you automatically learn written Norwegian though, and vice versa. (Not including New Norwegian in this, since that's a separate thing anyway.)

This.
English, French, German are god-tier.

So if you like Germanic languages just learn German. though it's harder than Dutch and the Scandinavian languages.

WHERE
IS
HAUGE
?

>Norwegian is a very shallow language
4u

>Considering learning one of the two languages
Why the fuck would you do that

Norway has Ibsen, Hamsun and Knausgard

Thanks, broer.

I'm sad to say I haven't read him, yet. Which only further proves me! Norway is deeep in literature.

He's great, there are loads of really fantastic authors and poets.
All of them get overshadowed by Ibsen and Hamsun, though, but rightly so.

>Dutch
>Considering learning

Why would anyone voluntarily learn the ugliest language on the planet?

why? what makes you dislike it more than 'any' other language?

Based

>he probably hasn't read Garborg or Fosse

B a s e d
Though Fosse's poetry is kind of shit, but cozy.

gutta, kan dere anbefale noen norske forfattere?
helst utenom hamsun, ibs & knausærn

>t. reads for plot thinks he's an intellectual for knowing english has read nothing in norwegian
honestly the premise of this thread is moronic. trying to learn a language is far too time consuming to leave the decision up to some retard on a cape verdean hydroponics message board

Swede here. There's some great literature, both Swedish and Norwegian. However, I think that to really appreciate the classics you need the historical and cultural context gained by having lived here for a couple of years.

learn Icelandic/Old Norse, it's the superior Germanic language with the best literature

Fosse, hauge, hu dama, solstad, WW sikkert

>English before German
Are you alright, user ?

>Max Havelaar
Boring as fuck desu.
>Nooit meer slapen
Was nice

>second only to English and French
so it's third then?

>Italian
For what exactly? Russian and Spanish have so much more good stuff to read, if your intention is learning mainly for literature just go for them.
Italian you have Dante, which the language level required to understand in its original language is gonna take ages for you to learn. (And if you intend to read it with a poor Italian, you are much better off reading a good translation to a language you actually understand well).

dunno where to ask this but hoping somebody could help me out - i want to learn french, but i only really care about reading it. most things i've found to learn languages dedicate a lot of time to writing and speaking, but i feel like i could learn a lot easier and be a lot more motivated if i only learnt how to read and just the basics of other aspects. could anyone recommend anything that would suit this?

>Íslendingasögur og kommúnistakvæði

Good one

if u just learn to read it u gonna end up like how foucault spoke english which is to say grammatically correct but totally fucked

I'm thinking of the same for French and Latin. Fuck speaking it properly.

I'm going to be frank and say that I didn't read the thread, however;

my fiance is half danish half norwegian. i speak quite well in both after six years with her. in both relevant countries the languages are literally useless -- everyone speaks english, often people even prefer to in Denmark especially.

Maybe Dutch or Swedish is worth your time but do not learn Danish or Norwegian.They do have great literature, but it is also easily translated literature. This is one of the language families you should feel the least remorse for reading in translation to English.

For swedish I can recommend Hjalmar Söderberg's Doctor Glas. Another author you might be interested in is Karin Boye. August Strindberg is a given.

haha umad?

Dutch literature
>Ach! Here comes the ocean. Animal porn is nice.

Norwegian literature
>Nice! Here's the ocean. Also fjords.

Swedish literature
>tfw neither Bergman nor Strindberg
>Fuck this! Let's write a crime novel.

Danish literature
>To og halvfjers piger knusede svenskebrödden. Also porn.

>haha 'I've turned myself into a hedonist morty! Take that religion!'
>Haha! I've become a heroin junkie nazi. Now I'm only wearing a leather coat and dying on the stairs of a synagouge. Take that jews!

Kilden av Gabriel Scott
Thomas F. av Kjell Askildsen
Jonas av Jens Björneboe
Trilogien av Jon Fosse
Is-slottet av Tarjei Vesaas

>often people even prefer to in Denmark
when memes become reals

Are you being purposefully stupid or are you just stupid? There's tons more Italian literature and poetry worth reading than just Dante

looking for ways to waste ones time and effort in an expensive way? why dont you just buy a yatch

desu i don't think i've met a french person in my life, i'd never really need to speak it unless i went out of my way to do so. the thing that annoys me most is like spelling and stuff, like on memrise most courses make you spell out the french words but if i understand what it means i don't really care about how it's spelt you know

Alexander Kielland, Sigrid Undset, Bjornstjerne Bjornson, Olav H. Hauge, Lars Saabye Christiansen (better than Knausgaard), Henrik Wergeland, Aksel Sandmose, Jens Bjorneboe. Some good female authors as well e.g. Amalie Skram

Danish litterateur worth reading:
Try to read Yahya Hassan (1995-now) danish poet with Palaestina background. He's book ''YAHYA HASSAN'' made huge debates and attention in 2013 where he has some interesting ideas and views on immigration, the life in the Danish ghettoes, the Danish society, the culture on integration and immigration. His poetry describes the violence, fraud, parent's betrayal, Islam culture and obsession in Denmark

Steen Blicher (1782-1848) known for works on tragic realism.
H.C. Andersen (1805-1875). His works have a lot of deep layers. He is known for criticizing norms and values, he has very ironic perspectives as well.

>Palaestina background

Didn't Hamsun write most of his stuff in Danish?

If you are planning on learning one scandinavian language to read its literature you might as well learn them all. They are very similar and if you know one learning the others to the point of being able to read in them isnät very hard. (I'm Swedish and i can read in norwegian with a little bit of effort and i haven't practised at all)

the fuck are you talking about

Ibsen used Dano-Norwegian and Hamsun used Riksmål with some local words, I think.

I'll just paste my response from last time
>Thinking Dutch literature is only limited to post-war big three literature
>Has not read Vondel, Hooft, or any other significant figure from the Golden age
>Does not realise that the Dutch have a rich literary history, notably at the start of the 20th century(Couperus,Beets, Bilderdijk)

What even is your critique? That it's pretentious? Name at least some examples, you're not actually targeting anyone. Your criticism is as generic and as unsubstantiated as it gets.
If youre the same guy from last thread, please don't post again.

how is this the only nescio post

Why would anyone learn Dutch? Even Duch people hate it. Just learn German and you will understand Dutch (inb4 (You)).

Also this.

where do you think we are

solstad, undset, bjorneboe, vesaas, borgen, askildsen

i lived in Odense for two years as someone who had studied Danish for many years and had no problem with it, and I used English more. People in Denmark have absolutely no problem speaking English. It's a joke to learn Danish unless your parents speak it.

>read edas
>finished entire cannon
>learned a whole language for this don't even get to move to a country that speaks this language

>that sort of thing

WHAT SORT OF THING user? Don't tell me One of My Scandinavian favsies is for dummies.

Learn dutch for the flemish books, drollanders should indeed not be read

Don't waste your life on obscure meme languages.

t. Dutch.

Foreigners will never get Nescio desu. Even if they learn Dutch fluently they will not feel it.

Might as well not bother.

knaus is for soccer moms and angsty teens, one of my favourite writers desu

fuck off pölse/eternal anglo

Norwegian literature is high tier, yet another instance of punching above their weight. Danish literature is not bad, while the Swedish "canon" is to my knowledge somewhat narrow, but the few works are of high quality. I have absolutely no familiarity with Dutch-language literature.

>Norwegian literature is high tier
t. Håkon Håkonsen

I know what you mean. Non-native speakers will never fully appreciate the way Nescio used the language. But it would be a mistake to just not bother reading him because of that, his work is richer than the words alone.

It would be like saying: don't bother with the Russians, you wouldn't understand the deep Russian soul anyway.

Literature is literally the only thing we do well except for nationalising our natural resources and winter sports.

I'm pretty sure Tucholsky lived in Norway for a time. Not sure if that counts.

Don't forget the brilliant move of staying out of the EU.

I enjoyed nooit meer slapen in high school
You might want to look into Simon Vestdijk, a bit dated maybe but I like him. De Koperen Tuin and Terug tot Ina Damman.

>mfw de avonden still has no english translation

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Wew, didn't know that. Recent as well.

Now we can finally shill our guy to Anglos.

very high meme potential

*sips apple-berry wine*

>not reading Dutch Knausgard

lad looks like kerouac

That's part of the "nationalising our natural resources" bit. The bureaucrats down in Brussels are fuming because we won't sell our hydro power plants to China.

No translation, I think.

There's only a German translation, as far as I know.

then why do you write in danish?
>inb4 muh p vs b