I want to be a communist but I have a hard time accepting their ideology

Shit really? My Veeky Forums doesn't have an age detector. Why is it disabled?? Do I have to submit my driver's license somewhere?

have you thought of being a card carrying wanker. you seem to have a natural disposition.

this board is utterly pathetic

>I want to be a communist but I don't agree with anything communists say
... Okay? Are you attracted to the aesthetics or something?
Become a social democrat and stop pretending. A sincere socdem is surely better than pretending to be a commie. You can start with reformists like Bernstein.

>card carrying wanker

What does that mean? I'm not British. Please elaborate.

Social democratism is just despicable. I do not want to be associated with any form of that disgusting ideology. I want to be communist. It seems like a lot of the intellectual writers are communist, and I want people to identify me with that intellectual group.

Okay then, try reading Bukharin or market socialism
In marksoc the workers have to collectively exploit themselves to remain competitive on the market, that should satisfy you.

Or better yet just shoot yourself.

...

But only fascists do that.

Commence with the Chinese.

>collectively exploit themselves to remain competitive on the market

That makes zero fucking sense.

If capitalists exploit workers by reaping the fruits of their labors, then mark socialists are not exploited since they are not exploited since they reap the fruit of their own labor.

>No I don't feel guilt. I think if workers aren't smart enough to advance through the ranks using whatever it takes
That is literally what revolution is. Whatever it takes includes killing the bourgeoisie.

What if killing people makes you a shit person (it does).

What then?

>Workers are so dumb that they have to kill people to feel better
They deserve to be exploited, you're not helping the argument against OP

>oh it's fine to oppress people in every way possible but you can't use violence against donnie draper that would be cheating t. ayn rand

bougie spooks

>I want to be a communist but I have a hard time accepting their ideology (communism)

What if you agree with Marxists with everything except social policing of behavior and the act of free expression? I don't consider thought or speech to be "oppressive" nor do I think power works the way they think it works.

then you should stop getting all your information about marxism from Pordan Jeterson

And lying, cheating and stealing don't?

So be a bolshevist, kek

Hey cunt
this is the
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Starve to death them

Don't we all....

>No I don't feel guilt. I think if workers aren't smart enough to advance through the ranks using whatever it takes (manipulation, lying, cheating) they deserve to be exploited.
Seems like you have a bad case of being a psychopath.

Why can't political movements have an aesthetic anymore lads? Can I bring back Eugene V. Debs-style leftism and save it from the idpol nonsense it's become?

delete this thread

>they are not exploited since they reap the fruit of their own labor.
they are competing in a market so their surplus value would be invested into the company so they're exploiting themselves

>I want to be a communist but I have a hard time accepting their ideology.

I don't know what the hell the rest of the people in this thread are doing, but you would probably totally identify with Zizek

Off to the gulag with you.

The world cannot be reduced to economics simply because economics is always present. Sure, class-structure is intimately tied to economics, but it also has a social, cultural, religious, psychological and even sexual component that the Marxists don't care about (except critical theorists, but that's because they managed to transcend the limits of orthodox Marxism). Nothing is reducible to economics. The communists are wrong. Marx was a humanist, move on please.

>all these unironic leftists itt
Veeky Forums is a post-left reactionary board please leave
you sound like a good general secretary

American_Democratic_Party.jpg

kek

Then you dont want to be a commi stoopid

This so hard.

>this thread

will be hilarious when the civil war in america happens und bubba ray and cletus gun you down at starbucks

I hate starbucks. Does that mean I can't has commie?

>I want to be a communist

Kill yourself immediately

Shouldn't it be the other way around? Why do you want to affiliate to a political identity you don't agree with?

Let's agree to not complain about that as long as we don't have a functioning politics board

Hi Stalin

It's easier to resent the smelly underclass than it is the exploitive, callous, and narcissistic over-class; but the ones I hate most of all are the intellectual bourgeoisie for persistently attempting to subvert their rich patrons' social contract, who carved out a sheltered niche just for them; a betrayal based solely upon simultaneously underestimating the underclass and being jealous of Chad

You mean a bad case of being underage

I've been reading theory and primary sources and internet Marxists seem more obsessed with suppressing anything or anyone that is deemed "problematic" or "bourgeois," and this criteria seems to be a shifting goalpost for whatever a minority finds offensive or what some social-conservative/ML finds to be discomforting. Bonus points if they call you an "imperialist" despite being a desiring prole.

I mainly agree with the economic analysis and associated theory, but I can't stand a victim complex.

They'll just call you a "class reductionist" and shut down any sort of discourse and discredit you.

>internet Marxists seem more obsessed with suppressing anything or anyone that is deemed "problematic" or "bourgeois,"
Go to a proper leftist forum instead of Reddit or Tumblr.

Can you tell an interested user where some of those might be? Just /leftypol/?

Have you tried Socialism with Chinese Characteristics?

You sound like you would be an excellent communist to be honest.

I don't want the wave of /pol/ shitposting that might come from direct mentions but you can find most using /leftypol/ as a starting point.

Perestroika/ Glasnost era USSR and modern China and Laos sound perfect for you.

Looks like we've got some work to do again, fellas.

Capitalism isn't a meritocracy, not even if you consider merit to solely be 'manipulation, lying, cheating', fuck off.

You should be a National Socialist then

/marx/ is unironically the best place to talk about theory. Ismail and a few other comrades have apparently read fucking everything.

I just can’t get around the whole “everybody is equal”. Fuck that. No. Maybe BORN but certainly not in the end. Not everyone deserves to be treated the same, that’s fucking nonsense

I think you're confusing progressives with communists. One is of the bourgeoisie, the other is a worker.

>i want to be a member of a group based on an ideology
>i dont like the ideology

I don't think he ever said anything about merit. Learn to read, brother.

>stateless society
Wew lad

Or Trosky

This tbqh. French revolution was fueled by the bourgeoise as an attack on the aristocracy.

Most revolutions in history are fueled by the bourgeoise.

>but I still want to be a communist
Why are you obsessing over labels? Take the bits you like, discard the bits you don't and move on. Make your own worldview.

Ok Nietzche relax.

I'm flattered.

>I want to be a communist
why?

kys

Thanks, user. I've been arguing with too many people on Left Twitter.
I'm just concerned that even if I get fully into it, these overly-vocal people are going to control the discourse and make me feel alienated as a result.

You're a post revolutionary communist. Congratulations, you get to survive the purge of all the useful idiots who thought we were trying to build an egalitarian utopia.

you want us to come with you?
coddle your balls while you post?

>wants to feel superior
>doesn't want to play by rules designed to push the best minds to the top

wait a sec
r u tryin to confuse us again?

Nah, I was just looking for insight outside of the echo chamber. Thanks for the offer, user.

>I want to be a retard
Just lobotomize yourself.

Socialism doesn't work.

>I want to be a communist but disagree with communists
Just accept that capitalism is the best system. Any system that takes human faults and turns them for the good of other people (in capitalism's case greed) is a great system.
>I don't feel guilty
Never mind. You'll be a great commie.

>socialism is the same as communism

Wanna know how I know you're American?

Seems you haven't read Marx.

Socialism's logical conclusion is communism and is thus lumped in to the term "communism". The widening of the term communism by the communists has also helped this by taking a large majority of socialist principles.
Not to mention the public's perception of socialism.

t. classcucked Amerifat

>t. communist that doesn't understand
I can't be bothered listing off everything about economics. I began but I quickly ran out of character.

t. classcucked capitalist-supporting Americuck

>be American
>get exploited

>Be communist
>Have great idea to make a society free of anything good in life
>Suddenly someone gets bored and makes a business
>You take over and fix the problem
>End up creating 50 years of famine and kill millions in gulags
>Try again
>And again
>And again...

Socialism is the earliest stage of communism, defined by public ownership of property, renumeration according to work and planned production to achieve social aims.

gowans.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/do-publicly-owned-planned-economies-work/

If you want to start educating yourself, read the above article and peruse cited sources like Szymanski, they will give you the basics of how the USSR economy functioned, what it managed to achieve, why it was dismantled etc.
Most arguments about communism revolve around utterly irrelevant, non-material bullshit, and people dont know the first thing about socialist history. Talking about philosophy won't turn you into a communist, facts might.

>Communism
>Anything even remotely connected to education
Planned economies have been proven not to work. See the USSR and other communist but not communist countries.

>renumeration

Wrong. They have proven to work even better than free market societies. A "failed" system doesn't become the main threat to western capitalism and source of hysteria for decades. The USSR economy fell apart precisely because of introducing badly thought-out market mechanisms and "liberalisation".

you must have at least half a brain then

> They have proven to work even better than free market societies.

being this fucking stupid...