Challenge in existentialism

Hello /philosophy/,
please provide one LOGICAL argument that supports the statement that there is a meaning to having discipline and responsibility in your life. To make your sacrifice for humanity, to be more exact.

dude the redpill.
if not virtue, then race mixing happens? Without race mixing? Women would love us, the world would be without car accidents. Ther'd be community between white brothers of heroism
take responsibility and discipline for your nations and races

Meaning is subjective in existentialism

Right. But in your lifetime white ethnostate is very unlikely to occur and you are in fact not doing anything to make it occur.
But let's assume that your virtue manifests into white ethnostate, how is this meaningful when we have evolved intellectually enough to be completely sure that we are all dust and will perish into eternal conscious void once we die? When you know how vast space is, how can you suffer in the cause of something so, so miniature and meaningless and unlikely to occur?

Where is the logic in that? Are you going to go to heaven if you achieve this? No.

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The logic is this:
white = good
masculinity = good
In society today you have brownification = bad and feminization = bad. So you have virtue or degeneracy
Make your choice up

if you don’t you will be selected out of the gene pool and you will have to justify increasingly inhumane living standards to yourself as some type of liberation ideology, but really you’ll just be homeless, mentally ill, lonely and facing certain gruesome death. its not noble like being a forest yogi or a frontiersman in any sense. Diogenes lived in an era where there were a lot less people, you could get away with hanging around like a tramp or a mendicant more easily. this is the worst time in human history to be homeless. that’s it.

Your response is absurd. Are you even aware that there is something more than sociology and eugenics? How long have been under a roof? Remind yourself of the sky tonight. How insignificant it all and us is.
And even if you get your white ethnostate, how was it worth it and how does it solve your problem that you are inevitably suffering away into eternal void?

This is a non-argument. White people have committed barbaric acts of atrocity against each other for eons, there's no reason it would stop. Brits vs Irish, Catholics vs Protestants, Fascists vs Antifascists. There is no peace in an ethnostate, we will find other reasons to go to war.

A very, very good logical thought and what you wrote often shines the only light in the hopeful part of my mind, but the problem is is that you are factually incorrect and this ruins it all.
Today, right now, you are talking to a man on benefits, who gets a wide variety of good Good and cooked for free from churches and organization. I grow my weed, I am connected with an everlasting source of knowledge and entertainment, the internet, and I am basically doing 24/7 what responsible people dream to be doing from Monday to Friday.

What i wanted to say here but my phone kept autocorrecting is that today you can live in absolutely amazing condition and gave WAY better than Diogenes. In fact be an absolute normal member of society, without making your sacrifice.

this thread would've been deleted a year ago

Live way better than Diogenes*

Entirely correct.

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Obviously. But can it be logical? If Yes, please present an example.

Definition: good life is a productive life.
Theorem: in order to have a good life you have to be productive.
Proof: By definition good life is a productive life. Therefore to have a good life you need to be productive.
/thread

>to having discipline and responsibility in your life. To make your sacrifice for humanity, to be more exact.
There is literally nothing else worth doing. Unless you live in a position and with the wealth required to live a life of constant pleasure, that is, constant escape from consequences, your avoidance of responsibility will eventually catch up with you.

Where is the connection between a good life and suffering/sacrifising physically, mentally and emotionally in ruthless routine?

If you don't have any responsibility or discipline, you will suffer. And suffering is bad because it feels bad. Sounds logical to me

Thanks. You made me cool good about myself. I do have this life of no consequences.

>welfare

And by the way, death will catch up with all of us. No amount of responsibility will keep you from turning weaker and damagdamaged to the point of death and decay, every day.

That obviously entirely depends on what appeals to you. I, for example, enjoy engaging in ruthless routine because at the end of the day I know that I've been productive and have worked to improve myself. You may find appealing sucking my dick from time to time. There is no inherently good way of spending time, you figure it out for yourself.

1: Humans have the capacity for positive (pleasure) and negative (pain) conscious responses.

1.1: Humans possess the agency to arouse these reponses in other sentient beings.

2: There is no inherent value in inflicting pain on other human beings.

2.1: Pain can sometimes be inflicted in the pursuit of pleasure

2.2: Pleasure does not of necessity arise from inflicting pain on other sentient beings

2.21: It is possible to have pleasure without causing people pain.

2.22: The most overall pleasure can only be acheived concisely with the least overall pain

2.23: It is therefore best to pursue pleasure which does not inflict pain.

The self discipline and ethics are basically the way of acheiving this.

Okay, this is it.

You are about to almost turn me into a working member of society. Seriously. This is as far as I have reached in prep talk with myself too. But, are you sure, do you promise, where is the evidence, that responsibility and discipline prevent suffering?

Hint: It could be simply forgetting what good felt like and simply get used to suffering.

For me the greatest suffering in life is not death but guilt. I'd rather die than know that I hurt another person.

Well, that feeling you feel in the end of the day is absolutely baseless and I am pretty sure you feel bad for most of your time, like the working class does and complains, constantly.

you’re a parasite, you live off of programs and institutes that won’t last, everything you have is contingent on others’ good will. at any time that could end and you’ll end up homeless which is illegal in the West, you don’t want to go to jail man (its as bad as it was 50 years ago)

Or I could get a job like you, when those systems stop providing? Did you think of that?
Finally a good answer. This is what another user kind of referred to. So i have a question, is suffering minimal when you are on a schedule all for more money to buy more things? Could literally be. I am asking with no sarcasm or irony.

I work as software developer and I find my job quite enjoyable.

Cool. I am looking into a course like this that basically employs me at the end of it. Maybe i could enjoy it.

ok man have a good day

you experience meaning when your awareness is heightened . How you do this is absolutely meaningless in regard to the experience.

Yes, but it is much easier to say you don't like someone because they look or are perceived to act differently. When you remove that out of the equation, people would have to look at ethical or philosophical differences and that is hard becuz it meaks mi brein hert.

>discipline and responsibility
Makes me feel better.

> Provide Logical Argument
As in you want a deductive argument?
> Supports statement that there exists meaning to having a discipline and responsibility.
Do you wish for inductive or deductive, is science ok to bring into this?

Do you want an ethical proof? Or do you want a religious proof? Scientific proof? What the fuck do you want.

Your question is garbage.

1. Fun things are fun.
2. Unfun things are unfun.
3. Living a disciplined lifestyle ultimately leads to a higher net fun to unfun ratio.

For example, people without discipline tend to have bad diets, habits, exercise regimens and sleep cycles which contribute to physical and mental suffering. It takes some work to keep the body functioning well. The same goes for the rest of your life. Without discipline you will not have your finances, your living space, your relationships et cetera in order and will suffer from stress and low self-esteem.

Deductive. Thanks for providing a synonym For 'logical', jackass.

The good diet is the only thing that could be connected to feeling good in all those examples. And still, why is it meaningful to feel good? Are you absolutely identified with your primitive self?

That last part always made me look down on humanity.

Okay, nigger. Want to play smart? Give me PROOF that the ethical PROOF and religious PROOF are scientific in any sense. What matter is it in man-made religion or ethics and morality when the heat in the universe will end, along with the universe itself?

Google : heat-death

Heat death is itself just speculation based on models about as reliable as the ones the weather man uses to predict the weather. Don't overestimate the value of science.

>The good diet is the only thing that could be connected to feeling good in all those examples.
No, all the things I mentioned matter tremendously. Neglect them and you will start to suffer.

>And still, why is it meaningful to feel good? Are you absolutely identified with your primitive self?
Feeling good is self-justifying and suffering is so directly undesirable that moving away from it is self-justifying. They're the closest thing we have to things with inherent value.

If you reject that as not good enough, then there's not much to offer because you need to accept some axioms to be able to discuss anything at all.

You can go full Münchhausen trilemma but then there is nothing meaningful left to say. Which is also fine I guess, but in reality you will still move towards pleasant things and move away from unpleasant things despite whatever brand of scepticism or nihilism you pay lip service to.

I believe Philly Dick said something like 'reality is what which doesn't go away when you stop believing in it' which goes well for pleasure/joy and pain/suffering. They're acutely relevant regardless of the conceptual framework you put them in, which in itself is enough to assign importance to them.

I can't completely leave behind my primitive, fundamental parts of my mind. But I can use the reason, logus to seek the absolute truth.

You can't possible defend being productive with being hedonistic. I experience way more pleasure here with my food, porn, and everlastic internet novelty. I dont feel pain at all. We are not in the jungle. Engaging in soul-crushing labour is absolutely unnecessary because there are other way to get your chemicals going well in your brain.

>I can't completely leave behind my primitive, fundamental parts of my mind. But I can use the reason, logus to seek the absolute truth.
Now there's an unwarranted claim.

>You can't possible defend being productive with being hedonistic. I experience way more pleasure here with my food, porn, and everlastic internet novelty. I dont feel pain at all. We are not in the jungle.
You're just very young, which is why you can somewhat get away with it. After a while it all starts to hurt unless you take care of yourself.

>Engaging in soul-crushing labour is absolutely unnecessary because there are other way to get your chemicals going well in your brain.
I agree, which is why I'm NEET. But there are certain fundamentals that you will get punished for not taking care of after a while. A healthy lifestyle truly is more pleasurable. Epicurean hedonistic calculus leads to a more agreeable life than dumb folk hedonism.

Checked. I am starting to be able to imagine what you are talking about, I am 24 years old.
I think that any regret would be completely primitive, imprinted, what have you, but will be essentially too trivial to even make me flinch.

By occam's razor it's literally absolute truth, for us humans.