So tell me Veeky Forums, how much of your library consists of women or poc? I just went through all my shelves and this is what I can report.
White: 94,5% of authors Male 91,3% of authors White Males: 85,8% of authors Dead White Males: 62,5% of authors Women of Colour: 0% of authors
About 80% of the non-white male authors were Japanese.
Connor Roberts
my books all identify as otherkin, thank you for amending your perception of their gender status.
Ian Murphy
My library consists mainly of works I enjoy reading. Diversity is a buzzword for faux altruists to win their moral brownie points.
Gabriel Lewis
there is a reason for that, and it isn't racism
Lucas Cooper
I can't laugh at things like this anymore. My heart is heavy now
Brandon Anderson
Yeah, something like 95% is white men, most of them dead.
Julian Gutierrez
it's ok to be white
Jonathan Barnes
so i get their ideology behind the problem with white authors, but the "dead" part is just so fucking childish
Jace Wright
um sweetie, like, no one wants to read out old white men who raped Africa and enslaved minorities People, like, want to read about people of color's experiences while they're alive now
Parker Bennett
Check your shelf privilege goys.
Jordan Morgan
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Jaxson Thompson
>I don't know what sarcasm is Why did you post a picture of yourself?
Leo Gonzalez
is this real life? i cannot wrap my head around how absurd and comically self-destructive white people have become
Gabriel Campbell
Wrectk
Jose Moore
The dead/white/whatever thing is so old. All authors should be divided into two categories:
AUTHORS I WOULD TRUST TO HAVE MY BACK IN A BAR FIGHT
>Homer (yes, I know, but he would just strike out in all directions with desperate fury. He would NEVER run.) >Caesar >Dante (actually fought in civil war-type things) >Emily Dickinson (you'd be surprised) >Hemingway >Mishima (might have to hold him back DESU) >Bukowski (too drunk to run away)
AUTHORS I WOULD NOT TRUST TO HAVE MY BACK IN A BAR FIGHT >Virginia Woolf >John Updike (would probably sneak off and try to seduce my wife whilst I was battling overwhelming odds)
Isaac Richardson
Does Bolano count as a dead white male?
Isaac Martin
Do I get diversity points for my Borges book because he is Latin American? Or is he considered white because he is from Argentina?
Juan Rogers
his entire family tree was Spanish. no diversity points for you.
Carson Morgan
Are Irish considered white?
Adam Anderson
Yes. Eh, maybe count him as half white.
Colton Bell
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Eli Russell
Have one willa cather and iceberg slim book, so not very diverse at all
Michael Butler
Only non whites I have are Homer, Plato, Aristotle, Dante, Eco, Calvino and Cervantes.
Evan Jones
Every time I read a post with "umm, sweetie" in it I feel a sharp turn of anger in my stomach.
Evan Cox
Based
Ayden King
>Yes
Irish might look white but behavior wise they are little better than the coloreds
Easton Cook
>Spanish >blanco
Brandon James
um sweetie, the problem lies with you for getting triggered by a simple string of words sweetie posting is supposed to be ironic [/spoiler ]>Español >No blanco Anglo eterno
Josiah Flores
>in the forest of my mind i'm free as 30yo worker I can relate to this
Nathan Carter
its girl posting, you can also start with 'uhmmm', end with a simple ':)' or an 'x' either one or 2 followed with a few dots. e.g. uhmmm you have no idea what you're talking about babe xx...
Caleb Gray
>Implying the average Anglophone understands this distinction It's like you don't realize that preferential treatment for "Hispanics" largely serves to benefit descendants of Conquistadors, the rightful rulers of the New World. Pic related, this man and his children DESERVE to be legally privileged over you, bigot.
Isaac Lopez
Most of my non whites are from east Asia too and of that most would be Chinese, one Korean, and a few jap chaps
Henry Ramirez
>Library not 50% women and at least 50% poc
Wow, just wow
John Evans
Reminder that by participating in this obsession with race you're contributing to the destruction of literature.
Liam Reyes
JEW DETECTED (probably)
Logan Ortiz
Same. I just feel sad and heavy, and Im not even white. This is what you get wjen you let women and jews take charge. I think western humanities academia is trash because there are no good job prospects for those students, decreasing the competition and thus the quality of the students who make it into college. Say what you want, but this is obviously an indirect cinsequence of free market. Because there is this supply and demmand logic behind jobs and science, all of the people with intellectual pottential are waisting their brains trying to make a new novelty app for Iphone and get rich, meanwhile science has gone entirely to the hands of the jews
Jacob Green
I actually went and looked up this article, and there actually is a point here. I thought I'd share it with you guys because we've all seen this movement but I for one had not actually seen the better arguments in its favor.
The argument seems to be this: for quite a while we had preferential treatment towards certain works which were in dialogue with each other. Lately we realize that it is unfortunate that the canon itself helped to select a certain subset of works; we fix this by throwing in a couple of works that already are known to have merit but are less widely read and represent certain groups.
The issue, though, is that the question of what has merit is already biased by what is part of the canon now. So throwing in tokens here and there is a waste of everyone's time. Instead, it is necessary to look at the western canon more broadly, and to see whether there are branches of the main literary tradition that are neglected, or places where "our" tradition, white male Western tradition, runs tangent to some other literature, or is fed by another. The study of these would actually add value to the study of the whole - but without a serious reexamination of the whole body of literature, it really is worthless to replace one white author with one (probably almost) as esteemed minority simply for diversity's sake. That's not what this argument is for.
Elijah Sanchez
That's a long way to say you and the article never heard of the non Western Canons.
Ethan Taylor
Is that Jorge Ramos? Fuck him. Stupid leftie bastard
Blake Phillips
Are Italians white?
Cameron Jones
>Irish might look white but behavior wise they are little better than the coloreds
This applies to Slavs as well.
Owen Taylor
Very closely related to that and true in my case but I don't think that's quite exactly the point in its entirety. You're implying that the solution to a culture preferring itself in creating a canon is solved by reading canonical literature from other cultures; I'm saying the canon is not required to contain the best possible set of books, and a valuable book that is not in one canon is not required to be in another.
I think the people who want more diversity would be happy with your solution, but I still don't think they're necessarily the same solution.
Elijah Lopez
>considered white not even by the Irish
Kevin Clark
Try Toni Morrison. She’s an African American and I recently read her novel Song of Solomon (1977) and loved it.
Luke Wood
'canon is a western word. there are no nonwestern canons
Daniel Rodriguez
>I think the people who want more diversity would be happy with your solution, but I still don't think they're necessarily the same solution. That's because you're both ignorant of Western Canon's accommodation of authors you're trying to save from so called obscurity. Most of Western Canon is depraved enough that only scholars were allowed look at some important works, and if the people campaigning for this read the black, female, queer or otherwise "different" authors involved in the canon, they'd ask for them to be banned.
Gavin James
>English literary canon >English speaking countries have been mostly white throughout history >Women have until recently been subjugated to lesser roles in society >Why are so many of the best authors white and dead men
hmst
Ian Davis
I want to see you argue this against /a/'s mods, and a Chinese Imperial examiner. I'm thinking mods on might be easier to find.
Jose Johnson
>>Women have until recently been subjugated to lesser roles in society
For many years European and American middle class girls were given piano lessons. Despite this women's contributions to music have been minor Despite grinding poverty, limited opportunities for education or advancement and brutal often violent oppression, African American men managed to invent blues, jazz, rock and roll, gospel, funk and hip hop.
Gavin Fisher
This is retarded. I could understand the feminist critiques (even though Virginia Woolf, George Eliot, and Jane Austen are important parts of the canon), but the racial aspect to it is ridiculous. The reason the Western literary canon is 'white' is because Western culture has been primarily white until very recently. That's like asking why the Chinese literary canon is so full of East Asians.
Austin Thompson
Mine is maybe 20% white, 18% white male, 15% dead white male. I study Eastern philosophy though...
Levi Brooks
china has writing too, and I'm sure it's great but I know nothing about it
Cooper Anderson
I once read Malcolm X's autobiography. It gave me a good insight into the plight of Black suffering in America.
However, it also continued to support my current view that the mixing of peoples on a great scale will always cause conflict, and that America/Europe is essentially doomed.
Colton Fisher
There's a reason why they put a emphasis on the dead part.
Dylan Ramirez
We don't need to be reading anything from dead white men.
Oliver Reed
Get out
Leo Ward
Elliot Rodgers wasn't even white holy shit
Alexander Jackson
Stop questioning the narrative you fucking bigot.
Sebastian Kelly
a compilation! grr im so angery nao grow up you little faggot. What reason do you have to be proud of your race? What reason does anybody have to be proud of their race?
Jason Gonzalez
White people are an abomination, we need to make all good Western writers to be black.
Adrian Wright
25% Faggots 25% Opium-smokers
Alexander Torres
>grow up you little faggot. What reason do you have to be proud of your race? What reason does anybody have to be proud of their race?
I keep telling that to leftists about niggers and such after Black Panther, but then i'm suddenly racist. The people who complain about these things are inconsistent in their individualism.
Julian Moore
Who said I was proud of my race? I'm just sharing what the mainstream thinks about us and I agree with them. We need to stop reading racists whites and start reading more blacks and other person's of color.
Jaxon Gutierrez
Pride feels better than shame. Feeling good feels good.
Thus racial pride is good.
Caleb Peterson
please
Ethan Hernandez
Am I being off topic? I'm just agreeing with the OP.
Adrian Morales
Precisely 99% male, 100% white. As a white male, I am happy to say that I am almost not appropriating any of the cultures/ethnicites/genders that I will never understand as a privileged white male, apart from the few books I have by Woolf. I understand that the 1% by Woolf is extremely problematic, and is a symptom of my white male drive to subjugate and destroy the narratives of oppressed minorities, but rest assured I will burn those books at the first given opportunity, despite adoring them greatly.
>I am laughably easy to bait
Uhmm sweetie, where's the sport in that?
Mason Cox
This. I like my pasty white nerd culture. It's amazingly polite and frequently inventive.
Dominic Sullivan
WHO CARES
Go back to /pol/ brainlet.
Liam Taylor
Whitie detected, we're here to end your racist reign of terror.
Gavin Ross
this umm this uh thread should be deleted
Christopher Watson
I feel sorry for you.
Grayson Ward
Half of these are not even attacks though. The other half are mild statements pointing to common trends.
Lucas Ramirez
True, but it does set the tone and obsession.
Nolan Watson
adding to the list >AUTHORS I WOULD TRUST TO HAVE MY BACK IN A BAR FIGHT George Orwell - actually probably killed people in the spanish civil war. got shot in the neck and called it "interesting"
Easton Howard
I have a few women on my shelves but they are all dead white lesbians
Wyatt Price
AUTHORS I WOULD TRUST TO HAVE MY BACK IN A BAR FIGHT >Miguel Cervantes 100% Cervantes. He got bored with life in Spain, ran away and became a soldier. He could have ducked out of the Battle Of Lepanto because he was ill but he fought anyway and got badly wounded. >Robert E Howard He got laughed at by the men of his town because he worked as a waiter for a while. He soon earned their respect by engaging in BRUTAL BARE-KNUCKLE BOXING MATCHES. Go Robert E H! >Ezra Pound Just make sure you're fighting against the Shadowy Forces Of International Usury, and he would be right in there with a broken bottle to even things up. >Raymond Carver In the first place he is quite likely to be IN the bar. In the second place he was a big guy and apparently could get a little rowdy on occasion.
AUTHORS I WOULD NOT TRUST TO HAVE MY BACK IN A BAR FIGHT >Marcel Proust Cheese-eating surrender-monkey AND slack-jawed faggot. >Franz Kafka He would do nothing but whinge. You need a cheerful, robust disposition to shake off minor flesh wounds and I don't think he would measure up.
Carter Murphy
I got some ladies and darkies
Robert Wilson
Male: 100% White: 95% >reading books by women
John Lee
>they are all dead white lesbians Wtf. How many dead caucasian lesbians can there possibly be???
Josiah James
Woolf Yourcenar McCullers Bishop Stein
John Jenkins
>Woolf should also add her fwb, vita sackville west
William Richardson
I was drinking at a bar in Dublin that claims to be where Joyce had his first pint (yeah right) and ended up drinking next to an in the flesh Citizen. Got plastered on whisky, beer, and milk and then proceeded to shout at some vaguely foreign looking guy at the bar to get the fuck out of his country where he and his kin had toiled for generations.
The bartender eventually threw him out and half a dozen other Irishmen went out after him looking for a fight. Pretty fun desu.
Aiden Sullivan
as a woman I can honestly say that I can't stomach "white male" authors very well. just because of the gross power fantasies/obvious mansplaining of their works. Maybe if you haven't informed yourself with other perspectives you'll be blind to it
Time and time again I'll pick up a """""""classic"""""" work written by a man and it will be so unrealistic in its portrayal of women as a whole that I just get frustrated and put it down. Faulkner's female characters might be some of the worst ever penned
So all in all I'm glad to see more women being given the opportunity that for centuries they were denied to present their own points of view of life and its sciences from a woman's perspective
I think reading such a male-dominated canon has really screwed with people's instinctive appraisal of women and other minorities and now for the first time that standard is being challenged. what's really so bad about that?
Hunter Ward
>what's really so bad about that? mediocre art
Luke King
but the art is already mediocre. it's just a mediocrity that flatters your virility
Eli Hernandez
>it's just a mediocrity that flatters your virility Men don't ponder about Virility. Go read Musil now.
Bentley Richardson
I never looked up the race, gender, or age of the authors of my shelf.
The books are there because they are on subjects I like, and they are informative, or a pleasure to read.
It disgusts me that a book is determined unusable by reason of being written by an unsuitable race.
Joshua Lee
Ugh, I hope you're laying down some bait. I don't wish to imagine the suffering of those around such a person.
Ian Cook
>women and other minorities hahahahaha of course it's b8 but it's good-quality b8 the lunacy is pitched just right 9/10 would swallow with a smile on my fishy face
Christian Reyes
why does most women's writing fall into 1. fucking chad 2. being a feminist/dystopiafantasy with feminist undertones (or ayn rand) 3. new age garbage
white males write about a whole wide array of topics because they arent preoccupied with race and gender.
Benjamin Bell
You should. Whites and Asians have high IQs so they're capable of writing and discussing various subject matters. Niggers can't write, let alone read, and women write about stupid shit that no one, except themselves, cares about.
Brody Cook
Me too. A sign of the times and a sign of decline.
Gavin Edwards
A simple answer is that Africa - obviously - hasn't had the same development as the west otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation and that the foundations on which western society was built, was developed by Europeans. And the great works of European literature mostly came from a time when the West would have been deemed great and powerful, do you really think we have the potential to produce great works now? No. Not when every other news article is about how your child should be transgender and how you should be gay. If we want more great works then the basics need to be sorted. A birthrate above replacement rate and a society for the native Europeans from there. Rather than the idea that anyone and everyone can come.
Henry Howard
Music is strange too, it's very globalized. Now the only thing that appeals to most people is music from North American artists such as Drake, Beyonce and others. For example, 10 or 15 years ago in Britain you had lots of home grown artists that played Britpop and Britrock. Now all you get is Drake and then UK grime artists. The grime probably being a refection of the demographics of most areas of London.
Aiden Howard
I don't know, I'm not racist so I have no way of checking this.
Kevin Lee
just over 15% non-white but most that is the jew
Charles Russell
100% white males and it's not going to change. I'm not buying or reading shit I don't care about and I'm definitely not going to give a fuck what some inner city whore has to say.
Austin Hughes
>now for the first time that standard is being challenged